I don't think you guys are analyzing the Hanley thing in relation to Fredi. This thing wasn't a manager and player not seeing eye to eye situation. Hanley created the entire situation first by the lollygag, and then acerbated it by his public comments. This was all on Hanley and a moment of immaturity. I think Fredi came out of that whole situation looking a lot better than before, and if you think that a guy as cheap as Loria is going to spend $60 million on a guy and accept him dogging it, think again.

 

 

This isn't the first time Hanley Ramirez has been known to have off-field problems as Bob stated correctly. At the end of the day, Hanley still received gifts this past offseason from the "cheap owner." I highly doubt the front office is all that concerned with Hanley's off the field problems because on the field he helps the team win by being the best shortstop in the business. He's way more valuable to this team than Fredi Gonzalez, so right or not, at the end of the day Hanley Ramirez will get the benefit of the doubt from ownership. He's the guy the team's being built around...along with Josh Johnson, at the moment.

 

The whole apology thing just so happened to have occurred which is nice...but at the end of the day, even if Hanley hadn't apologized, there is no doubt in my mind he would've been back on the field, sooner rather than later. The situation worked out perfectly for Fredi for the time being, but I'm sure ownership didn't like to hear that the star player on the team feels as though there's a double standard with him and the rest of the team (even if Hanley is full of sh*t, which I fully believe he is...doesn't matter so long as he's a shortstop putting up monster #'s that help the team win).

Can anybody honestly picture Fredi managing in the playoffs, let alone the World Series?

Can anybody honestly picture Fredi managing in the playoffs, let alone the World Series?

 

 

Um.

 

What?

Can anybody honestly picture Fredi managing in the playoffs, let alone the World Series?

 

Yeah?

 

Hell, Dusty Baker has managed in the World Series.

I don't think you guys are analyzing the Hanley thing in relation to Fredi. This thing wasn't a manager and player not seeing eye to eye situation. Hanley created the entire situation first by the lollygag, and then acerbated it by his public comments. This was all on Hanley and a moment of immaturity. I think Fredi came out of that whole situation looking a lot better than before, and if you think that a guy as cheap as Loria is going to spend $60 million on a guy and accept him dogging it, think again.

 

 

I wasn't analyzing it that way. My point was that, in the long run, Fredi will not be fired because of it. Hanley has always been a prima donna, going back to his minor league days with the BoSox. Those of the other mind set can block all that out and pretend all previous incidents never happened..... but they did. And they may as well get used to the thought that upper management won't be blocking them out.

Fredi is likely gone after this year to take Cox's place at Atlanta.

 

I wouldnt be shocked if Manny Acta is one and done in Cleveland and is managing the Fish next year.

 

 

Exactly how do you see Fredi being gone? Fired? He can't just up and leave here for Atlanta on his own. He is signed through 2011.

 

He just got tons of praise for handling the Hanley situation. Some even have him as the early fav for MOY. Of course by the end of the season things could change as memories tend to be very short. So I suppose by October if there is a total collapse a firing would be concievable.

 

I'm going to repeat myself. Finish last off-season's house cleaning. Fire Presley.

 

 

The team is just one game over .500. The front office (fair or not) thinks this is a playoff team. One game over .500 is ok, but it's also a mini losing streak away from Fredi being on "the hot seat." The Hanley situation isn't going to help him either; it's only going to hurt him. The front office is saying that now, but at the end of the day, Hanley's the star player that they're paying the big bucks to. So if the team starts losing for any reason, they'll just use Hanley having multiple problems in the past with Fredi as another reason to fire Fredi, in the future. I don't think Fredi Gonzalez will be here next year, either, to be honest.

 

 

Apparently you are the only one that thinks that. His handling of that situation raised his stock as a manager in the eyes of everyone in MLB. Saying they are all just BS'ing it is just making up "facts" to support a theory.

 

BTW Hanley has had "problems" long before Fredi came into the picture. Actually, before he even became a Marlin.

 

 

When a manager and the star player don't get along, ownership normally takes the star players' side, at the end of the day. That's what I meant. In my opinion, Fredi's under more pressure to win now, than he was before the incident. For what it's worth, I do think that Fredi did the right thing, as well. But the sport is a business, and in order for the business to succeed, ownership will do what it takes to make their star player happy, especially since they've already signed him to a long-term deal.

 

 

Sounds like you think if (probably should say "when") Hanley throws another tantrum or two, Fredi gets the ax to make Hanley happy. Ain't happenin that way. If Fredi were to be fired sometime down the road it will be because the team underachieved, not because of any antics by any head case prima donna.

 

Look at it this way. Hanley is signed to a long term contract at very affordable numbers. He would be very attractive to some teams and would bring in a ton of talent in return. "One bad apple can spoil the barrel."

 

Don't get me wrong. I like Hanley's talent. But I don't like anyone that thinks they are bigger than the team or the game. They make themselves expendable.

Can anybody honestly picture Fredi managing in the playoffs, let alone the World Series?

 

 

 

LOL

 

Guess we now know that if we were to make the WS but lose who will be the first to start the "Fire Fredi" threads.

This isn't the first time Hanley Ramirez has been known to have off-field problems as Bob stated correctly. At the end of the day, Hanley still received gifts this past offseason from the "cheap owner." I highly doubt the front office is all that concerned with Hanley's off the field problems because on the field he helps the team win by being the best shortstop in the business. He's way more valuable to this team than Fredi Gonzalez, so right or not, at the end of the day Hanley Ramirez will get the benefit of the doubt from ownership. He's the guy the team's being built around...along with Josh Johnson, at the moment.

 

The whole apology thing just so happened to have occurred which is nice...but at the end of the day, even if Hanley hadn't apologized, there is no doubt in my mind he would've been back on the field, sooner rather than later. The situation worked out perfectly for Fredi for the time being, but I'm sure ownership didn't like to hear that the star player on the team feels as though there's a double standard with him and the rest of the team (even if Hanley is full of sh*t, which I fully believe he is...doesn't matter so long as he's a shortstop putting up monster #'s that help the team win).

 

 

 

You and I are just going to have to disagree on that. Along with him being the best SS in the biz up to this point in time.

This whole thread is phsyco talk. Fredi has been a decent manager since he's gotten here. For having the lowest payroll in baseball, he's done dam good job.

The Marlins hitters take far too many fastball, called strike one, pitches. The first pitch is often the best they see. I want to see aggressive swings at first pitch fastballs and far fewer flailing swings at low and outside sliders when they have two strikes.

This isn't the first time Hanley Ramirez has been known to have off-field problems as Bob stated correctly. At the end of the day, Hanley still received gifts this past offseason from the "cheap owner." I highly doubt the front office is all that concerned with Hanley's off the field problems because on the field he helps the team win by being the best shortstop in the business. He's way more valuable to this team than Fredi Gonzalez, so right or not, at the end of the day Hanley Ramirez will get the benefit of the doubt from ownership. He's the guy the team's being built around...along with Josh Johnson, at the moment.

 

The whole apology thing just so happened to have occurred which is nice...but at the end of the day, even if Hanley hadn't apologized, there is no doubt in my mind he would've been back on the field, sooner rather than later. The situation worked out perfectly for Fredi for the time being, but I'm sure ownership didn't like to hear that the star player on the team feels as though there's a double standard with him and the rest of the team (even if Hanley is full of sh*t, which I fully believe he is...doesn't matter so long as he's a shortstop putting up monster #'s that help the team win).

 

 

 

You and I are just going to have to disagree on that. Along with him being the best SS in the biz up to this point in time.

 

 

Are you saying he's not the best SS in the game?

 

For what it's worth, I see your point, as well. Obviously if this continues to be a continous pattern with Hanley, the team will probably have no other choice but to trade him, as Boston did with Manny. I really don't see how this incident helps Fredi Gonzalez, though. Perhaps it helps him with other teams and the media, but I do think it hurts him when it comes to the job he currently has. Manager of the Florida Marlins.

The Marlins hitters take far too many fastball, called strike one, pitches. The first pitch is often the best they see. I want to see aggressive swings at first pitch fastballs and far fewer flailing swings at low and outside sliders when they have two strikes.

 

 

Heh, that's funny considering that most of the time... we're lambasting the hitters in the gameday threads for grounding out on the first pitch. They can work the count much better to get those starters out in 5 or 6 innings. Get to that vulnerable middle relief and win some games.