October 4, 201015 yr JJ for me, but Uggla is a very close second. JJ missed 1/5th of the year. Uggla sat out a few games and plays everyday. He had career HR's, doubles, walks and batting average. This should be a no brainer. Bonifacio had career highs too. (Half joking.) Uggla had career highs, JJ had LEAGUE highs. JJ was much better over 83% of the season (he missed 1 out of 6 months) than Uggla was in 100% of the season. That's why it's not a no-brainer.
October 4, 201015 yr JJ for me, but Uggla is a very close second. JJ missed 1/5th of the year. Uggla sat out a few games and plays everyday. He had career HR's, doubles, walks and batting average. This should be a no brainer. Bonifacio had career highs too. (Half joking.) Uggla had career highs, JJ had LEAGUE highs. JJ was much better over 83% of the season (he missed 1 out of 6 months) than Uggla was in 100% of the season. That's why it's not a no-brainer. JJ is great, but he failed to go long enough in too many games to ensure our lousy bullpen didn't blow games. And I can never give a pitcher a Player of the Year award, because he only was the winning decision maker in a handful of games. Uggla was making a winning difference in at least twice as many games. His timely / game winning hits alone are probably equal to JJ's win total. I think people vastly underestimate Uggla's overall value to this team. He is far and away IMO the heart & soul of that clubhouse.
October 4, 201015 yr JJ for me, but Uggla is a very close second. JJ missed 1/5th of the year. Uggla sat out a few games and plays everyday. He had career HR's, doubles, walks and batting average. This should be a no brainer. Bonifacio had career highs too. (Half joking.) Uggla had career highs, JJ had LEAGUE highs. JJ was much better over 83% of the season (he missed 1 out of 6 months) than Uggla was in 100% of the season. That's why it's not a no-brainer. JJ is great, but he failed to go long enough in too many games to ensure our lousy bullpen didn't blow games. And I can never give a pitcher a Player of the Year award, because he only was the winning decision maker in a handful of games. Uggla was making a winning difference in at least twice as many games. His timely / game winning put us ahead hits alone are probably equal to JJ's win total. I think people vastly underestimate Uggla's overall value to this team. He is far and away IMO the heart & soul of that clubhouse. I don't underestimate anything, he's my favorite player and you can often see me at the ballpark in my Uggla jersey. I just disagree with a lot of your statements. Do you have any proof that Uggla made the winning difference twice as much as JJ? If you look at their WPA (Win Probability Added), JJ's was 3.8 and Uggla's was 2.6. JJ's WAR (I still don't like WAR, I'm just giving other views) was 6.8, Uggla's was 3.7. If you can think of some way to prove that Uggla made twice the difference that JJ did, feel free to add it in.
October 4, 201015 yr JJ for me, but Uggla is a very close second. JJ missed 1/5th of the year. Uggla sat out a few games and plays everyday. He had career HR's, doubles, walks and batting average. This should be a no brainer. Bonifacio had career highs too. (Half joking.) Uggla had career highs, JJ had LEAGUE highs. JJ was much better over 83% of the season (he missed 1 out of 6 months) than Uggla was in 100% of the season. That's why it's not a no-brainer. JJ is great, but he failed to go long enough in too many games to ensure our lousy bullpen didn't blow games. And I can never give a pitcher a Player of the Year award, because he only was the winning decision maker in a handful of games. Uggla was making a winning difference in at least twice as many games. His timely / game winning put us ahead hits alone are probably equal to JJ's win total. I think people vastly underestimate Uggla's overall value to this team. He is far and away IMO the heart & soul of that clubhouse. I don't underestimate anything, he's my favorite player and you can often see me at the ballpark in my Uggla jersey. I just disagree with a lot of your statements. Do you have any proof that Uggla made the winning difference twice as much as JJ? If you look at their WPA (Win Probability Added), JJ's was 3.8 and Uggla's was 2.6. JJ's WAR (I still don't like WAR, I'm just giving other views) was 6.8, Uggla's was 3.7. If you can think of some way to prove that Uggla made twice the difference that JJ did, feel free to add it in. Get rid of the stats, I look at games. Sometimes some of you guys get too geeky with the numbers crunching. Just watch the games, the way the guys all look to Uggla and take their cue from him. He inspires others, just has a bit of what they call "it", like a Joe Montana or Pete Rose, a guy that can get others to do more by just being around them. I have no numbers, and frankly could care less what some stat says. My eyeballs tell me more than some freakin' stat does. I know y'all will probably disagree and I'm not looking for an argument. And yes Dan Cooley Uggla is my favorite Marlin of all time, and that does affect my position :lol. But dude, you see the games, don't you see a lot of those same intangibles that I do ? They don't show up in some number. Uggla is very important to this team and I will really be bummed the day he is traded or let go from the Marlins.
October 4, 201015 yr How to Annoy a Majority of the Posters on this Board 101 With your professor: miamimarlinswin
October 4, 201015 yr How to Annoy a Majority of the Posters on this Board 101 With your professor: miamimarlinswin Sorry dude, I am just a fan. And I love the Marlins passionately. I just don't get all geeky with those WAR (what the fu*k is that ???) and this and that stats. Oy vey ! Just watch the damn games and forget all this other crap ! :lol C;mon guys give me a pass please :thumbup I don't want to annoy anyone I am just a fan.
October 4, 201015 yr Author Johnson for me, easily. Uggla had a great year at the plate without a doubt, but his bad defense diminishes his value a bit for me. What Johnson did this season was much more uncommon and valuable to the team's success.
October 4, 201015 yr I look at the games and I see what the stats agree with. I think pitching of that level over 5 months go over 6 months of hitting at that level. But what do I know, I didn't see a single game this season. Actually watching the balls going around, super boring. The best way to enjoy a baseball game is to wait til the next day and and look at the play-by-play information on www.baseball-reference.com. In all seriousness, I see those intangibles but the tangibles are (way more?) important. Not to mention that JJ has those same intangibles; leadership, accountability, strength. Also, stats are just a record of what happened in the games (to a certain extent).
October 4, 201015 yr I guess we have to agree to disagree on that. Its not anything definite just opinions.
October 5, 201015 yr How to Annoy a Majority of the Posters on this Board 101 With your professor: miamimarlinswin Sorry dude, I am just a fan. And I love the Marlins passionately. I just don't get all geeky with those WAR (what the fu*k is that ???) and this and that stats. Oy vey ! Just watch the damn games and forget all this other crap ! :lol C;mon guys give me a pass please :thumbup I don't want to annoy anyone I am just a fan. Ignoring stats is silly, but mocking people who acknowledge them is uncalled for. Get past the name-calling and it's all cool. And if you read some of the better posters on here, I think you'll find stats can be very valuable.
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