June 5, 201214 yr Ryan Newell, Marietta Ga. http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=126915
June 5, 201214 yr just my opinion here, but we should go after someone good. Well that would be a 1st for Beinfest. His 1st round picks have all been busts so far - but of course 2009, 2010, 2011 can't be determined yet and 2008 has possibilities but not promising so far. I feel sorry for Heaney, his chances of making the bigs are low if you look at the Beinfest numbers. If he doesn't make it, it's because Beinfest selected him? Man that is strange. Not exactly what I said but if you want to look at that way you can. I have no other way to see Beinfest's failures in the 1st round. Throwing a dart at a board would get you better results than he has had. This is like his 16th 1st round pick for the Marlins, and not a single one has been a major contributor except for Volstad. Tankersley had some time with us before he bombed out, and Dominguez was annointed the 3rd base guy before he showed that so far he is not ready. Beinfest is holding this franchise back. Those 1st round picks are your best chance to get better, and he fails us each and every time. Meanwhile teams like the Nationals and Rays continue to obliterate us in the draft, even in the later rounds. I will pop champagne the day Beinfest is gone. Your assessment of the organization's drafting is absolutely terrible. Check out the big league roster. Seriously, it hasn't been that bad. You're exaggerating. The f***ing Nationals were handed Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper; they are phenoms/no-brainer picks.
June 5, 201214 yr just my opinion here, but we should go after someone good. Well that would be a 1st for Beinfest. His 1st round picks have all been busts so far - but of course 2009, 2010, 2011 can't be determined yet and 2008 has possibilities but not promising so far. I feel sorry for Heaney, his chances of making the bigs are low if you look at the Beinfest numbers. If he doesn't make it, it's because Beinfest selected him? Man that is strange. Not exactly what I said but if you want to look at that way you can. I have no other way to see Beinfest's failures in the 1st round. Throwing a dart at a board would get you better results than he has had. This is like his 16th 1st round pick for the Marlins, and not a single one has been a major contributor except for Volstad. Tankersley had some time with us before he bombed out, and Dominguez was annointed the 3rd base guy before he showed that so far he is not ready. Beinfest is holding this franchise back. Those 1st round picks are your best chance to get better, and he fails us each and every time. Meanwhile teams like the Nationals and Rays continue to obliterate us in the draft, even in the later rounds. I will pop champagne the day Beinfest is gone. Your assessment of the organization's drafting is absolutely terrible. Check out the big league roster. Seriously, it hasn't been that bad. You're exaggerating. The f***ing Nationals were handed Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper. They are phenoms/no-brainer picks. They also managed to have enough in their system to get Gio Gonzalez. I would have rather had Gonzalez than Bueherle. I'm sure Loria wishes that too. Would have saved him millions - and with those millions we could have filled out a better bench. Also had Beinfest picked just one - JUST ONE - of his pitchers he has taken in the 1st round that could have been a starter in our rotation, again Bueherle is unecessary. Voila, the team would have been better. I don't understand why you can't agree with this logic. At this point you are just being contrary. As it is, now we have next to nothing to use to beef the team up come the trading deadline. The team you see today, is probably the team we see in September. I hope they hold up physically because if they don't its bye bye chance at a playoff spot.
June 5, 201214 yr By the way, the Rays drafted Andrew Heaney before the Marlins did. Silly them. I'm glad they didn't. I like the pick. But history shows, because Beinfest picked him in the 1st round, he will be a bust.
June 5, 201214 yr I think you're right about the first round being a bad round for Beinfest. Fortunately, there were 49 other rounds, if I'm not mistaken. Players like Morrison and Stanton were drafted after the first. As of today, however, we have two tremendous prospects in Yelich and Fernandez who were drafted in the first. I don't see you're point of complaining.
June 5, 201214 yr The problem with your line of thinking is: 1. You're not acknowledging that the draft is a crapshoot. 2. We have plenty of players in the big leagues who were drafted by the Marlins. 3. You're not acknowledging this because they weren't drafted in the 1st round. Does it really matter that Giancarlo Stanton was not drafted in the 1st round? f*** Beinfest, he drafted a legendary talent in the 2nd round instead of the 1st! Josh Johnson? Logan Morrison? Steve Cishek? Gaby Sanchez? Chris Coghlan, Bryan Petersen, Brett Hayes, Dan Jennings, etc. might not be a big deal (really, they're not), but they reached the big leagues and play roles on this roster. If the draft pick (especially after the 1st round) reaches the big leagues, you succeeded really. Why? Again, because the draft is such a crapshoot that odds are a draft pick won't even achieve that. You keep bringing up the Gio Gonzalez thing. To be honest, the Nationals overpaid quite a bit to get Gio Gonzalez. Loria must not care that he signed Mark Buehrle considering he was willing to offer C.J. Wilson even more money than he got from the Angels AFTER the Buehrle signing. Considering we were one of the last teams bidding for Albert friggin' Pujols. And just to play devil's advocate here, Volstad (1st rounder) got us Carlos Zambrano. Last but not least, you're silly if you think the Marlins don't have players in the system with trade value right now.
June 5, 201214 yr By the way, the Rays drafted Andrew Heaney before the Marlins did. Silly them. I'm glad they didn't. I like the pick. But history shows, because Beinfest picked him in the 1st round, he will be a bust. History also shows that Beinfest hasn't been terrible in the other rounds, which you, for some reason, tend to ignore. For what it's worth, the last couple of 1st rounders are doing very well in the minor leagues.
June 5, 201214 yr By the way, the Rays drafted Andrew Heaney before the Marlins did. Silly them. I'm glad they didn't. I like the pick. But history shows, because Beinfest picked him in the 1st round, he will be a bust. History also shows that Beinfest hasn't been terrible in the other rounds, which you, for some reason, tend to ignore. For what it's worth, the last couple of 1st rounders are doing very well in the minor leagues. It is a crapshoot, COMPLETELY. But Beinfest has had the worst record in the majors in the round where you should be able to make the easiest decisions. Missing in that 1st round has cost the team valuable starters and farm trade value. Through the years we could have been even better than we have been had he not busted on EVERY SINGLE 1ST ROUND PICK. Can you at least acknowledge that ? This team would have been better and would be in a better position today if he hadn't been so horrible there ?
June 5, 201214 yr By the way, the Rays drafted Andrew Heaney before the Marlins did. Silly them. I'm glad they didn't. I like the pick. But history shows, because Beinfest picked him in the 1st round, he will be a bust. History also shows that Beinfest hasn't been terrible in the other rounds, which you, for some reason, tend to ignore. For what it's worth, the last couple of 1st rounders are doing very well in the minor leagues. It is a crapshoot, COMPLETELY. But Beinfest has had the worst record in the majors in the round where you should be able to make the easiest decisions. Missing in that 1st round has cost the team valuable starters and farm trade value. Through the years we could have been even better than we have been had he not busted on EVERY SINGLE 1ST ROUND PICK. Can you at least acknowledge that ? This team would have been better and would be in a better position today if he hadn't been so horrible there ? He drafted a guy who's only 22 and is already one of the best hitters in baseball. A guy who, if he keeps it up, could possibly be one of the best hitters of all-time. He drafted a guy who's been one of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy. He drafted a reliever who's currently one of the most valuable relievers in baseball this year. I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point. Look at the draft as a whole and not just one round. The team's you keep bringing up who have been better had some picks that were no-brainers at the time because of the slot they got, due to the fact that they sucked so much. Also, you're not taking signability issues into account. It's not necessarily Beinfest fault that he's had limitations to work with. Why do you think Mark Appel went 8th in the draft last night? Teams wanted him but were hesitant to draft him, thinking they wouldn't be able to sign him. This basically happens with players every year and it probably leaves some organizations not drafting the guy/guys they truly wanted. "It's a crapshoot, COMPLETELY" as YOU said. Are the Marlins the best at this? No. They're far from the worst, however. You're basically criticizing the front office for being average at a crapshoot event.
June 5, 201214 yr Does Erick really need to keep pointing out the fact that we've got quality MLB players on the MLB roster right this second that we drafted after the first round? I mean, seriously? Why are we going in circles here? Just because someone busts on a first round pick doesn't mean he didn't find a gem in the second round or later [see - 2007, which you still can't call Dominguez a bust yet]. Stop being stubborn.
June 5, 201214 yr Last but not least, you're silly if you think the Marlins don't have players in the system with trade value right now. The system was ranked # 27 on MLB Network the last time I saw the rankings. That is ridiculously low. Even with bringing up the guys we have in the last couple of years, that is overall a HOORIBLE ranking. That is where I expect to see the Pirates or Mariners. As a Marlins fan, I expect our FO to want the best, and to go out and get the best. Copy the Tampa Bay model. It's been better than we have been in the last 5 years. 2 division wins and an appearance in the WS. What have the Marlins done in the last 5 years ? Nothing of consequence. Loria had to break the bank this year for us. Had Beinfest hit on just 2 first rounders between 2003-2007 (and he had 9 picks in that span) that would have been unnecessary. As for Washington, the reason that could OVERPAY is because their system is so deep. It kept Gonzalez out of our hands (and everyone else too) because they could afford to do that. It was not only good for them on the field, but off the field, it kept Gonzalez out of the hands of their competitors. A great defensive move. They overpaid, and STILL have more in their system than we have. Washington is going to be the next "Tampa Bay" and its all because they have and incredible FO. It's not just Harper & Strausburg. Just look how loaded their whole system is. Many of those are players Beinfest passed on. The draft may be a crapshoot, but I want the loaded dice the Nationals & Rays use when they play.
June 5, 201214 yr Last but not least, you're silly if you think the Marlins don't have players in the system with trade value right now. The system was ranked # 27 on MLB Network the last time I saw the rankings. That is ridiculously low. Even with bringing up the guys we have in the last couple of years, that is overall a HOORIBLE ranking. That is where I expect to see the Pirates or Mariners. As a Marlins fan, I expect our FO to want the best, and to go out and get the best. Copy the Tampa Bay model. It's been better than we have been in the last 5 years. 2 division wins and an appearance in the WS. What have the Marlins done in the last 5 years ? Nothing of consequence. Loria had to break the bank this year for us. Had Beinfest hit on just 2 first rounders between 2003-2007 (and he had 9 picks in that span) that would have been unnecessary. As for Washington, the reason that could OVERPAY is because their system is so deep. It kept Gonzalez out of our hands (and everyone else too) because they could afford to do that. It was not only good for them on the field, but off the field, it kept Gonzalez out of the hands of their competitors. A great defensive move. They overpaid, and STILL have more in their system than we have. Washington is going to be the next "Tampa Bay" and its all because they have and incredible FO. It's not just Harper & Strausburg. Just look how loaded their whole system is. Many of those are players Beinfest passed on. The draft may be a crapshoot, but I want the loaded dice the Nationals & Rays use when they play. Why would you expect to see the Mariners and Pirates at the bottom of a prospects list? They suck every year and get a top pick every year. The Rays used to suck. Some of their guys back in the day were no-brainer picks and they finally put it together. You think it took a genius to select Evan Longoria and David Price? The Nationals are just another ordinary team without Strasburg and Harper. Don't fool yourself. They have other quality players, sure, but those two are the main reason why they're now considered contenders, long-term. That's like taking Stanton away from our system. Sure, we might have some intriguing players, but we're a lot less without him. These are players you build around; their value is vital. The difference between Stanton and Harper/Strasburg is that Stanton wasn't a no-brainer selection considering every team in the big leagues passed up on him. Some passed up on him more than once. I could name several players in the Marlins farm system right now with value to other teams via trade if you'd like.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, you're not taking signability issues into account. It's not necessarily Beinfest fault that he's had limitations to work with. And you're ignoring this completely ...
June 5, 201214 yr Does Erick really need to keep pointing out the fact that we've got quality MLB players on the MLB roster right this second that we drafted after the first round? I mean, seriously? Why are we going in circles here? Just because someone busts on a first round pick doesn't mean he didn't find a gem in the second round or later [see - 2007, which you still can't call Dominguez a bust yet]. Stop being stubborn. Dominguez is close to a bust. Hitting .225 and an OPS of .617 in AAA is not great. He's been a professional for 5 seasons now. Time is running out on him.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, the Nationals are not as great as you say. They were a top farm system and the Gio Gonzalez trade put them toward the middle of the pack. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/1/23/2728027/2012-baseball-farm-system-rankings-prospects You make it sound like they're loaded and can give any prospect away just because they're so awesome at every level.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, you're not taking signability issues into account. It's not necessarily Beinfest fault that he's had limitations to work with. And you're ignoring this completely ... Signability is not an excuse, there are plenty of players other than those who use Boras.
June 5, 201214 yr Does Erick really need to keep pointing out the fact that we've got quality MLB players on the MLB roster right this second that we drafted after the first round? I mean, seriously? Why are we going in circles here? Just because someone busts on a first round pick doesn't mean he didn't find a gem in the second round or later [see - 2007, which you still can't call Dominguez a bust yet]. Stop being stubborn. Dominguez is close to a bust. Hitting .225 and an OPS of .617 in AAA is not great. He's been a professional for 5 seasons now. Time is running out on him. OK, but even then, that's still proving my point that you can fail in the first round and find a gem in the second.
June 5, 201214 yr Does Erick really need to keep pointing out the fact that we've got quality MLB players on the MLB roster right this second that we drafted after the first round? I mean, seriously? Why are we going in circles here? Just because someone busts on a first round pick doesn't mean he didn't find a gem in the second round or later [see - 2007, which you still can't call Dominguez a bust yet]. Stop being stubborn. Dominguez is close to a bust. Hitting .225 and an OPS of .617 in AAA is not great. He's been a professional for 5 seasons now. Time is running out on him. Dominguez is only 22 and in AAA. He's had a rough year, but he's definitely nowhere near bust status yet. He was always considered valuable for his defense, first and foremost, anyway. If the Marlins felt like trading him this July, he has decent enough value to give us the quality bat we need to make a run this year.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, you're not taking signability issues into account. It's not necessarily Beinfest fault that he's had limitations to work with. And you're ignoring this completely ... Signability is not an excuse, there are plenty of players other than those who use Boras. It is entirely an excuse. Regardless of agent, Beinfest didn't have the funds necessary to sign these players.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, you're not taking signability issues into account. It's not necessarily Beinfest fault that he's had limitations to work with. And you're ignoring this completely ... Signability is not an excuse, there are plenty of players other than those who use Boras. Yes, it is. Not every team spends the same way in the draft.
June 5, 201214 yr Also, the Nationals are not as great as you say. They were a top farm system and the Gio Gonzalez trade put them toward the middle of the pack. http://www.minorleag...kings-prospects You make it sound like they're loaded and can give any prospect away just because they're so awesome at every level. Do you deny that barring horrible injuries to Harper & Strausburg the Nationals will be the team to beat not only in the NL East but in all the NL by 2014 ? Taking those guys out of their system and they are middle of the pack. You take Stanton and Morrison from ours and we are ranked bottom 5. Dude that makes my point :rock
June 5, 201214 yr Stanton and Morrison aren't in the farm, though. They're not prospects any more. They're Major League players.
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