You sure?

 

Ya you didn't change much up. This list is dumb however considering I've already said he had a bad year last year. Do a list for the last 3 years combined and get back to me.

You chose the year he has been the worst by far. 2012 3.9 WAR. 2013- the year you chose= 1.6 WAR. 2014- 3.3 WAR with still 40 games to go.

Ya you didn't change much up. This list is dumb however considering I've already said he had a bad year last year. Do a list for the last 3 years combined and get back to me.

 

You're right, I didn't change jack shit. All the years are complete. As a matter of fact, Cespedes is on there twice. You only focused on the worst because it was the ONE that stood out.

 

Cespedes isn't a great player, nor is he worthy of being considered one. While he is a nice player, it's idiotic to call him a great player like you have for the past two days. Here is the company he keeps.

 

You chose the year he has been the worst by far. 2012 3.9 WAR. 2013- the year you chose= 1.6 WAR. 2014- 3.3 WAR with still 40 games to go.

 

All of the WARS were provided by ESPN or Baseball Reference. He keeps mediocre company.

Ya you didn't change much up. This list is dumb however considering I've already said he had a bad year last year. Do a list for the last 3 years combined and get back to me.

 

You're right, I didn't change jack shit. All the years are complete. As a matter of fact, Cespedes is on there twice. You only focused on the worst because it was the ONE that stood out.

 

Cespedes isn't a great player, nor is he worthy of being considered one. While he is a nice player, it's idiotic to call him a great player like you have for the past two days. Here is the company he keeps.

 

Player J was Bryce Harper in 2013

You're right, I didn't change jack shit. All the years are complete. As a matter of fact, Cespedes is on there twice. You only focused on the worst because it was the ONE that stood out.

 

Cespedes isn't a great player, nor is he worthy of being considered one. While he is a nice player, it's idiotic to call him a great player like you have for the past two days. Here is the company he keeps.

 

 

So you're arguing the semantics between me calling him a "great" player vs you calling him a very nice player? That seems like a good use of your time. Everyone has different definitions of the word great. I obviously don't think he is a star player so if you thought that was what i was saying then that isn't correct. I think he is a very good OF with power and obviously an incredible arm who every team in the league would find a way to get in the lineup. This whole conversation started with you saying how we shouldn't be signing guys out of Cuba because it was so risky and a lot of these guys don't pan out, even calling Chapman a "middle reliever" while not realizing that almost every single one of these guys out of cuba in recent years has panned out. That is my only argument: that we should be in on these guys out of cuba more often.

Also, some absolutely fantastic names on that list

Also, some absolutely fantastic names on that list

 

Hence my point, he isn't hot shit. He's a shit thats been lying around for a few hours waiting for the next guy to step in it. The Red Sox did.

 

He's easily replaceable, and nothing to get a hard on over. His defensive ratings suck.

 

He's nice..... not great. Fuck your "Semantics".

 

As a matter of fact, fuck your whole argument..... thats what that "List" did. Fucked your argument right in the ass against it's will, and left it bleeding at Sun Life Stadium.

Hence my point, he isn't hot shit. He's a shit thats been lying around for a few hours waiting for the next guy to step in it. The Red Sox did.

 

He's easily replaceable, and nothing to get a hard on over. His defensive ratings suck.

 

He's nice..... not great. Fuck your "Semantics".

 

As a matter of fact, fuck your whole argument..... thats what that "List" did. Fucked your argument right in the ass against it's will, and left it bleeding at Sun Life Stadium.

 

I mean not really but if acting like a hardass on an internet forum makes you feel better then thats ok i guess.

 

Also, he's not easily replaceable, he's gonna be very good in Fenway. And he has been the 17th best OF this year according to WAR. Not easily replaceable by any means. He is a very good player and I'm not even sure why this is being discussed when my only point was that we should be in on guys from Cuba more.

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I mean not really but if acting like a hardass on an internet forum makes you feel better then thats ok i guess.

 

Also, he's not easily replaceable, he's gonna be very good in Fenway. And he has been the 17th best OF this year according to WAR. Not easily replaceable by any means. He is a very good player and I'm not even sure why this is being discussed when my only point was that we should be in on guys from Cuba more.

 

You swore all Cuban players are fucking gods. I told you they are overhyped and overpaid for their production. That list did nothing but prove that.

 

Do you even baseball?

You swore all Cuban players are fucking gods. I told you they are overhyped and overpaid for their production. That list did nothing but prove that.

 

Do you even baseball?

 

i mean i said nothing like that and your list did nothing to prove that considering your list didn't even show salaries. but keep killing me in this incredible argument you are making

I don't really know what's going on here, but we should definitely consider paying Cubans to play for us. It's done a lot of good for other teams.

I don't really know what's going on here, but we should definitely consider paying Cubans to play for us. It's done a lot of good for other teams.

 

ya, pretty cut and dry. I'm not sure how you can make a case otherwise. Almost every cuban to defect recently has been worth it. Cespedes, Chapman, Puig, Guerrerro from the dodgers will be good, Abreu, Soler will be a beast for the cubs, Hech is before that time but he's a future hall of famer.

I don't really know what's going on here, but we should definitely consider paying Cubans to play for us. It's done a lot of good for other teams.

 

It doesnt matter though because Piazza31 says he is destroying us in the argument and shutting us down because he is posting pictures on an internet forum saying how much he is shutting us down. We really had no shot. He wins man, he's got internet tough guy pictures!!!

I agree with Erick, what he's said is different from what you've said, get cubans..... I'm sayign don't overpay. All of those guys could have had replacements. Instead of Cespedes in 2012, you could have had Cody Ross - Proven and I believe cheaper.

 

You should throw 50MM at a scouting report.

 

Here's some mediocre cubans. Gonzalez is the exact reason to be careful w cubans.

 

Yuneski Betancourt

Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez

Alexi Ramirez

Leonys Martin

Dayan Viciendo

It doesnt matter though because Piazza31 says he is destroying us in the argument and shutting us down because he is posting pictures on an internet forum saying how much he is shutting us down. We really had no shot. He wins man, he's got internet tough guy pictures!!!

 

Like I said, Winn Dixie fo this shit.

I don't really know what's going on here, but we should definitely consider paying Cubans to play for us. It's done a lot of good for other teams.

 

We were in on Cespedes and Abreu, I think we all agreed when they signed their deals we were happy the Marlins didn't offer THAT much...

I think 4 years 36 million on Cespedes would have been better than some of the other money we spent that offseason. Ill admit he is a tad bit overpaid, he's probably worth something like 7 million rather than 9 per year but thats just the cost of getting these guys as if they are normal free agents rather than guys that have been drafted.

 

I personally think they are worth it and the recent ones have been very much worth it, but we're pretty much fighting over something that really isn't a big deal, you have your opinion i have mine.

We were in on Cespedes and Abreu, I think we all agreed when they signed their deals we were happy the Marlins didn't offer THAT much...

 

I had concerns with Cespedes because, at the time, it was unknown how good these Cuban players were going to be.

I absolutely would've given Abreu what he got. Abreu being a great hitter isn't exactly a surprise. Before he came over to the States, there were scouting reports saying that he was one of the best hitters in the world. After watching Cespedes, Puig, etc. play, I would've absolutely taken that risk. Abreu is the best bargain in baseball right now.

I agree with Erick, what he's said is different from what you've said, get cubans..... I'm sayign don't overpay. All of those guys could have had replacements. Instead of Cespedes in 2012, you could have had Cody Ross - Proven and I believe cheaper.

 

You should throw 50MM at a scouting report.

 

Here's some mediocre cubans. Gonzalez is the exact reason to be careful w cubans.

 

Yuneski Betancourt

Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez

Alexi Ramirez

Leonys Martin

Dayan Viciendo

 

With the exception of Gonzalez, none of those guys are overpaid.

I think it's safe to say that the position players are more advanced than the pitchers. The few busts from Cuba have been pitchers. The position player signings have been pretty successful.

With the exception of Gonzalez, none of those guys are overpaid.

I think it's safe to say that the position players are more advanced than the pitchers. The few busts from Cuba have been pitchers. The position player signings have been pretty successful.

 

The fact they are paid means those guys are overpaid. The pitchers thing I never thought about.

 

I'd love to have a team full of Cubans, seriously. But a team who operates on a limited budget and TRIES to make smart decisions has to be careful when it comes to non MLB talent. Imagine if we sunk the $67MM it would have taken to sign Abreu only to find out he can't field for shit, or worse- couldn't hit. What would an NL team do with a poor fielding hitter in a spacious pitchers park?

 

I wish Abreu was here, but I was glad at the time we passed on a $67MM atleast investment that had a very good chance of blowing up.

 

A lot of board members were happy we lost that bid, but it seems popular to poop on the marlins for lack of "sexiness".

 

Our OF is good right now, I don't know if I would take any player out to put Cespedes in unless we successfully moved Yelich to 1B.

 

If we can get more Cubans , great- but we do have to be careful. I'd rather sign them when they are MLB vets and free agents than just fresh from defection.