SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Why are you guys preoccupied with wanting powerhitters? You play in a pitchers park, yet you want a strict pull hitter like Palmeiro, wo a Javy Lopez who just came off a career season. Furthermore, how about Vladimir Guerrero, who swings for the fences all the time? Pitching is what won you the world series. I would rather have a solid middle relief corp than one Guerrerro or Javy Lopez, and in reality, because you play in a pitchers park, that would be a better investment for the money. That's why someone like Choi was such a good pickup. He's a doubles hitter, and works a lot of walks. Your offense shouldn't be built around power iny uor park, it should be based on contact and obp. If the Marlins should splurge on anything, I would make it Ugueth Urbina and some solid relivers, not one Javy or Guerrero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 because we all love the longball.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 because we all love the longball.... at the expense of winning another world series? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 You need a presence in the middle of the line-up. Personally I'd be shocked if we went into spring-training with our bullpen the way it is. We need a lefty specialist and a closer if Looper doesn't come back, but Guerrero batting third creates a lot of opportunities for Cabrera and Lowell. He doesn't have to hit the long-ball, he just has to make teams scared that he can hit the long-ball. Look at Bonds, he's just as successful making teams scared of him as he is hitting. Over the past 3 years, Bonds is #1 in intentional walks, Guerrero is #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMoney82 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 To be fair, we won in the playoffs with maddeningly inconsistent starting pitching. Pitching wins, but our starters are going to be one of the best in the NL. We need to make sure there's no drop in our O. We won a lot of games with Loop as our closer, and no set-up man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Furthermore, how about Vladimir Guerrero, who swings for the fences all the time? cause vlad hits .330 by accident right and swings for nothing but the fences right?? must of missed a lot of those homers and they just happened to fall into gaps right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rally2247 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I honestly don't care if a hitter like Vlad goes for the fences all the time. If he would be a Marlin, he would be hitting clean-up. So, that's his job! Besides, the man hit over .300 average, and I'm quite sure he doesn't strike out a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 exactly Das. Vlad hits .320 regardless of how many homers he hits. That's why he's a superstar. and I don't think most people are screaming for Palmeiro anyway... Javy I'm kind of torn about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 I don't really want Javy. Castro's time to put up or shut-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 For a starting staff of injury plagued 4 era guys, you are a little too confident about your starters. And if all your big hitters are righty, doesn't that present a problem? Lastly, Vlad would do good everywhere if he doesn't have long term back problems. However, your team doesn't have too much money, and Vlad will do well, but not as good. You guys can't afford to be inefficient. Spending that money on pitching would go a lot further in a pitchers park. Seattle did the right thing by signing Ibanez, because he's a contact hitter that won't be hurt by safeco that much. The Marlins could of acquired a matt stairs instead of guerrero, and got middle relief pitching. That would go a lot further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geemoney Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 And if all your big hitters are righty, doesn't that present a problem? Well, Choi is lefty. And we DID win the World Series last year with a heavy righty lineup, and it sure didn't hurt us then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Well, Choi is lefty. And we DID win the World Series last year with a heavy righty lineup, and it sure didn't hurt us then. Its obviously not a situation that is desirable (all righty lineup...) Again, my argument is not if Vlad is good or not, it is that there are more efficient ways to spend money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odom006 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 you want ya answer dawg....... fine....... let me put it this way so far in the off season we have lost a 1st baseman who hit 31 bombs and drove in 90 with 21 stolen bases a catcher who hit 16 bombs and drove in 85 with 10 stolen bases a RF who hit 19 bombs and drove in 94 and had 19 stolen bases add it up Homie!!!!! 66 bombs bout 280+ RBi's and 50 stolen bases gone..... and what are we gonna do to make up for it????? nobody yet for Juan E make Castro and hope he finally does something with a massive amount of P.T and to make up 4 lee a guy in his 2nd year who hit 218 8 bombs and 28 Rbi's in 202 at bats!!!!!! not to mention no speeeeeeed he only had 1 stolen base... in all and alll..... you can see why we want Vlad and Javy i mena yea we are most likey not gonna get em..... but damn you can see why we want more power due to what we lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 odom006 :thumbup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 you want ya answer dawg....... fine....... let me put it this way so far in the off season we have lost a 1st baseman who hit 31 bombs and drove in 90 with 21 stolen bases a catcher who hit 16 bombs and drove in 85 with 10 stolen bases a RF who hit 19 bombs and drove in 94 and had 19 stolen bases add it up Homie!!!!! 66 bombs bout 280+ RBi's and 50 stolen bases gone..... and what are we gonna do to make up for it????? nobody yet for Juan E make Castro and hope he finally does something with a massive amount of P.T and to make up 4 lee a guy in his 2nd year who hit 218 8 bombs and 28 Rbi's in 202 at bats!!!!!! not to mention no speeeeeeed he only had 1 stolen base... in all and alll..... you can see why we want Vlad and Javy i mena yea we are most likey not gonna get em..... but damn you can see why we want more power due to what we lost Listen son RBIs are due to teamwork, not one man, so that part of your argument isn't applicable. If it is not noe guy getting RBIs, its another. Juan Encarcion and all of his homers was a major rip off. His ops is less than .800! He had a .313 obp!!! His slug was only .446. You guys could of signed Matt Stairs, who had a .500 slug, almost a .400 obp, and he would drive in more runs. Oh yeah, he's cheaper than Juan. You lost I Rod, a great catcher with good avg with RISP. Castro if he's not imprisoned is a pretty good replacement, and cheap. You lost Derrek Lee. He's a very good hitter, and Conine at first, or Choi (even if he had a .400 obp next year) won't replace him. However, if Choi does well, he's a lot cheaper than Lee. Furthermore, how about Miguel Cabrera? He can become something very special, and hit a good amount of homers for you. So with the additions of Cabrera and Castro, your team is down about 40 to 45 homers from last year. However, with the money saved, your team can buy an excellent middle relief corps. The dodgers had a pretty good team and were the last in runs. The marlins, if their young starting pitching pans out, with solid middle relief can win a lot more games. Just signing one big bat lile Guerrero isn't going to help you. go talk to a-rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureGM Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 We need to sign at least one big power hitter to make up for the 45 or so homers lost when both Lee and Pudge left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFanPR Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 If you ask me, we should go for Javy and Palmeiro....True, Rafy is 39, but he still can bat, plus he'd be a bomb with the fans, specially the Cubans! Javy will command 7 or 8 mill, so he's in our price range, and Rafy is said to be ready to take a pay cut. Vlad is out of the question...come on!! \\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 If you ask me, we should go for Javy and Palmeiro....True, Rafy is 39, but he still can bat, plus he'd be a bomb with the fans, specially the Cubans! Javy will command 7 or 8 mill, so he's in our price range, and Rafy is said to be ready to take a pay cut. Vlad is out of the question...come on!! \\ Money for Rafy and Javy = Money for Vladdy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Yeah, but Raffy and Javy is more production than one Vlady. Palmeiro is a great hitter, but he's definitely on the downside of his career...he just hits 38 or more homers still. Not a bad 5 hitter, and he's lefty. He wasn't always a strict pull hitter, and he does bring the ball the other way if he wants. He's the kind of guy that could probably adjust to florida's dimensions. Javy came off a career year, and he wants to play some first now, and so if you had palmeiro, you would have a big bat on the bench a lot. Anyway, could Javy, who will probably not be as good as 2003, play well at Proplayers? Its a gamble. Palemeiro, who for the last 9 years has hit 38 homers or more, is a model for consistency. He would not be a bad pick up, and money is left to sign middle relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMLinkinPark Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 We dont know if Lopez will put up even close to this seasons numbers offensivly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramp Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 For a starting staff of injury plagued 4 era guys, you are a little too confident about your starters. not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 For a starting staff of injury plagued 4 era guys, you are a little too confident about your starters. Me thinks you of all people should know better than to doubt the Marlins staff. Namely one Josh Beckett, one Carl Pavano, and one Brad Penny (with some AJ action coming to a stadium near you this May :thumbup ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 not really. You guys are not the Cubs! Sure, you beat them in a best of 7 series, but in totality your starting rotation ISN'T the best in baseball- the Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, or As have the best. Can Beckett avoid injury? Both Penny and Pavano have 4.13 and 4.30 eras respectively. Redman and Willis, 3.59 and 3.30 are good, but not best in the majors caliber. Beckett is your true ace, but he had a 3.04 era. Very good, but still, pitchers like Webb, Schilling, Brown, and Schmidt were all better and pitched more innings. You have a good starting rotation, don't get me wrong, but I have noticed that you guys are a bit high on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Yankees rotation? What rotation? Petite - Gone Clemens - Gone Wells - FA, likely not coming back and on the decline of his career So Mussina, Vazquez, Weaver, Contreras, and a PTBNL (not the best IMO) or are you counting on the Boss money to buy the best again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SorianoFanHFW Posted December 10, 2003 Author Share Posted December 10, 2003 Yankees rotation? What rotation? Petite - Gone Clemens - Gone Wells - FA, likely not coming back and on the decline of his career So Mussina, Vazquez, Weaver, Contreras, and a PTBNL (not the best IMO) or are you counting on the Boss money to buy the best again? Not true. Mussina- no one doubts this guy and he's better against lefties than righties Vazquez- 2.85 era on grass Contreras- low 2 era as a starter Wells- 4.14 era, over 200 innings, good postseason until game 5, should be fine after surgery- oh yeah, best K/BB in the last 80 years. Lieber- 20 game winner Lieber, should be an okay 5 starter. He's was throwing 92 mph after inital recovery Weaver- throws 96, has good stuff, will his head be on straight? Is it any possible for him to pitch worse? The Yanks have more guys with less than 3.5 eras than the marlins. Furthermore, Pavano and Penny have worse eras than david wells. p.s. clemens is overrated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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