Yankees rotation? What rotation?

 

Petite - Gone

Clemens - Gone

Wells - FA, likely not coming back and on the decline of his career

 

So Mussina, Vazquez, Weaver, Contreras, and a PTBNL (not the best IMO) or are you counting on the Boss money to buy the best again?

Not true.

 

Mussina- no one doubts this guy and he's better against lefties than righties

Vazquez- 2.85 era on grass

Contreras- low 2 era as a starter

Wells- 4.14 era, over 200 innings, good postseason until game 5, should be fine after surgery- oh yeah, best K/BB in the last 80 years.

Lieber- 20 game winner Lieber, should be an okay 5 starter. He's was throwing 92 mph after inital recovery

Weaver- throws 96, has good stuff, will his head be on straight?

Is it any possible for him to pitch worse?

 

The Yanks have more guys with less than 3.5 eras than the marlins. Furthermore, Pavano and Penny have worse eras than david wells.

 

p.s. clemens is overrated Question marks.

 

Vazquez is switching league, although I think he'll be fine. He's the best pitcher on that staff, in my opinion.

 

Mussina will be Mussina.

 

Then, you've got tons of 'em.

 

Can Wells hold up? He's still old and out of shape, even if he did have surgery.

 

Weaver should just add a ? to the end of his name, he's become the eternal one.

 

Leiber hasn't pitched in a long time, you never know how they're going to respond.

 

Contreras certainly put up great numbers as a starter. His 9 starts were against the Tigers, Reds, Orioles, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, Devil Rays, Devil Rays, White Sox. He went 6-1 against that bunch, got SHELLED by Boston. The only truly good offense he beat was Toronto. He's still a question mark, although I think he'll be solid.

well, if our era is so bad, how did we win the world series?

well, if our era is so bad, how did we win the world series?

timely hitting

I think he forgets that most of the eras were horrible until Toroborg was fired if you take a look, most of our losses before then were horrible like 6-7 run losses which screws up era and then look at the second half...

 

Pavz, Penny, Beckett all pitched their best pitching of the season, and Redman was just as consistent as ever.

Additionally, Vladdy always puts up great numbers at PPS, can anyone get the stats on that.

from 2001-2003

 

326/379/533/912

 

92ab

well, if our era is so bad, how did we win the world series?

The Yanks had no hitting with RISP, and your pitchers were good this postseason.

 

The marlins overall had a better team at that point, the yanks were injured, tired, and swinging at anything within 5 feet of the strike zone.

 

But your argument does not counter what I said. The totality of the marlins rotation is not extremely good, it is a lot of question marks regarding injuires and high hopes as well.

from 2001-2003

 

326/379/533/912

 

92ab

good, but not "Vladtastic" numbers, which includes over a .400 obp, and about a .600 slug.

 

Again, let me stress that .912 is a good ops, but you aren't getting what you're paying for, and the marlins have to be as efficient as possible.

Thanks Ramp

Vazquez is switching league, although I think he'll be fine. He's the best pitcher on that staff, in my opinion.

 

Mussina will be Mussina.

 

Then, you've got tons of 'em.

 

Can Wells hold up? He's still old and out of shape, even if he did have surgery.

 

Weaver should just add a ? to the end of his name, he's become the eternal one.

 

Leiber hasn't pitched in a long time, you never know how they're going to respond.

 

Contreras certainly put up great numbers as a starter. His 9 starts were against the Tigers, Reds, Orioles, Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, Devil Rays, Devil Rays, White Sox. He went 6-1 against that bunch, got SHELLED by Boston. The only truly good offense he beat was Toronto. He's still a question mark, although I think he'll be solid.

My response:

 

-Contreras does stink against Boston, he's been good against everyone else.

 

He out pitched the Reds hitters when they had good offense mid season (they were respectable at that point, and Contreras was pitching hurt at GAB), a good offensive white sox team, and he beat Toronto as well. He also pitched well against the Orioles, who didn't have a despicable offense, though not great either. Overall, Contreras is a good pitcher who loses some control with runners on base, but still throws mid to high 90s with the nastiest splitter in the game.

The question isn't his ability to pitch (his era was less than pettitte's anyway), but if he can pitch all season. Probably, but you never know.

 

-Weaver is a 6 starter/mop up/long man, so he's really not that big of a deal, but he could come back, he certainly has the ability

 

-Lieber was throwing 92 mph off surgery and made a fantastic quick recovery much like Claussen. There should be no reason for Lieber not to be like Lieber of old.

 

-Wells back surgery fixed him up for 2002 where he won 19 games, and coming off the biggest Jamesian pitching statistic, K/BB, with Wells fantastic number, he should be fine after surgery. Furthermore, he has a conditioning clause in his contract, so he will be in shape until about april 15th, but that's a start!

 

-Vazquez will be hurt the league change as much as schilling, and he pitches better on grass than on turf, and hey, Yankee Stadium has grass!

 

So the guys I'm not too worried about (not too sound to confident) are:

Mussina

Vazquez

Contreras

 

I have as much faith in Lieber and Wells as someone like Pavano or Penny, if not more so, because they have been better pitchers.

 

Weaver has good stuff, and he might come around...hopefully.

 

And dePaula has pitched well in the majors as well, our 7 man. The Yankees are pretty set.

Well, Choi is lefty.? And we DID win the World Series last year with a heavy righty lineup, and it sure didn't hurt us then.

Its obviously not a situation that is desirable (all righty lineup...)

 

Again, my argument is not if Vlad is good or not, it is that there are more efficient ways to spend money. This coming from a Yankee fan. Classic

 

Vazquez will be hurt the league change as much as schilling, and he pitches better on grass than on turf, and hey, Yankee Stadium has grass!

 

and the point is..............

The last time I checked, pitchers still threw off a big mound of D I R T.

We dont need any more pitching.

 

Adding a One Reliever or Two is what we need but thats it. We need to replace Pudge's bat. Without that i dont think we can get Very far like last season. Pudge and Lowell were the leaders in RBI's.

We dont need any more pitching.

 

Adding a One Reliever or Two is what we need but thats it. We need to replace Pudge's bat. Without that i dont think we can get Very far like last season. Pudge and Lowell were the leaders in RBI's.

Pudge had the fourth highest RBI total

I would be very satisfied going into 2004 with any combination of the current starting rotation we have.

 

The bullpen, on the other hand- Chad Fox is the only pitcher down there I have confidence in. Looper too, when he's on. We need some cheap Mike Remlinger-type guys. Not sure what that means exactly, but I think you guys know what I mean :thumbup

not to be rude sorianofan but all u do is troll these forums and spam you and your 55 post per day need to go back to your yankees forums ...i know u guys are mad we beat u but theres no reason to hang around here and feast off our victory..i know im not the only one annoyed by u posting so damn much on these forums! get a life

not to be rude sorianofan but all u do is troll these forums and spam you and your 55 post per day need to go back to your yankees forums ...i know u guys are mad we beat u but theres no reason to hang around here and feast off our victory..i know im not the only one annoyed by u posting so damn much on these forums! get a life

At least he gives educated opinions.

If fans of other clubs are going to be shifting topics in this forum into one's about theirs, then yeah something should be done.

not to be rude sorianofan but all u do is troll these forums and spam you and your 55 post per day need to go back to your yankees forums ...i know u guys are mad we beat u but theres no reason to hang around here and feast off our victory..i know im not the only one annoyed by u posting so damn much on these forums! get a life

At least he gives educated opinions.

no i havent even directed a topic or reply towards him its just everywhere i go in the forums hes posting useless stuff just to get his post count up! i mean the guy has been a member for 8 days and he has over 400 posts!! hes averaging 55 a day! its called trolling and spamming and alot of other forums are against it..im just saying why are "fans" of other clubs just posting like hell here? its like me goin to the tigers board just for the hell of it .really,this is a marlins fan forum if ur not a fan why are u here?

no i havent even directed a topic or reply towards him its just everywhere i go in the forums hes posting useless stuff just to get his post count up! i mean the guy has been a member for 8 days and he has over 400 posts!! hes averaging 55 a day! its called trolling and spamming and alot of other forums are against it..im just saying why are "fans" of other clubs just posting like hell here? its like me goin to the tigers board just for the hell of it .really,this is a marlins fan forum if ur not a fan why are u here?

because he likes to talk baseball....

 

dont give the guy such a hard time

im not giving him a hard time ive been given a harder time for less its just he has the yankee mentality and everything he states has to do with his yanks...he doesnt know we are on a budget and he wants us to keep uggy and pudge and why we traded lee and all this crap...he needs to be with his own kind and talk about money spending and all that crap..im just saying he likes to spam alot...who the hell avg 55 post a day????

im not giving him a hard time ive been given a harder time for less its just he has the yankee mentality and everything he states has to do with his yanks...he doesnt know we are on a budget and he wants us to keep uggy and pudge and why we traded lee and all this crap...he needs to be with his own kind and talk about money spending and all that crap..im just saying he likes to spam alot...who the hell avg 55 post a day????

his posts have substance, so i don't think this post count thing should even be an issue... i mean, he's not like giantsin04

 

and why do you really care what his post count is? he contributes a helluva lot... i appreciate that. i'd rather have him on this board than on some other board.

I don't really want Javy. Castro's time to put up or shut-up.

Amen brother. Pass on Lopez who has had his worst offensive season in '02 to his best in '03. Dont trust it man. ANd certainly not at $8M per. Castro will hold down the fort. Find some other place to improve - Vlad replaces not only Fudges bat, but Lee's as well. And he will have a big impact with the Latin ballplayers and be a good mentor for Cabs.

 

Oh, and you bat Vlad 3 in front of Lowell. Thoughts?

We dont need any more pitching.

 

Adding a One Reliever or Two is what we need but thats it. We need to replace Pudge's bat. Without that i dont think we can get Very far like last season. Pudge and Lowell were the leaders in RBI's.

You always need more pitching. Dont every forget that.

This coming from a Yankee fan. Classic

Last time I checked, people shouldn't make distinctions between other people, that's called "prejudice."

 

I know what inefficiency is, I go to Mets games. Nevertheless, the Yanks brass are idiots, but they have the money to get away with it. you don't.

 

Capisce?

 

im not giving him a hard time ive been given a harder time for less its just he has the yankee mentality and everything he states has to do with his yanks...he doesnt know we are on a budget and he wants us to keep uggy and pudge and why we traded lee and all this crap...

Yankee mentality? Am I born stupid because my dad is from the Bronx? Am I of some inferior race?

 

I'm strictly talking about baseball payroll efficiency (the point of this topic.) Other people bring up the yankees because I'm the resident Yankee fan. I advocate payroll efficiency, and not wasting it on the Lopez's and Guerreros of the world.

 

And I don't care about my post count, it could be zero for all I care. I post when I eat, or when I'm at work. I have finals coming up today, tommorrow, and then tuesday. I've been on so much because I have been doing work and I'm in front of a computer. When I'm not in my room so much, you won't see me here as much.