You should reopen the Eovaldi COL case @squall He's basically throwing 50/50 splits/fastballs now and having pretty terrific results in basically every stat area except ERA (which will certainly come down if he maintains the way he's pitching). 

 

 

You might not like Hanley personally, but he was phenomenal for us for 5 seasons. 

 

You claim predictability because C0L but you haven't predicted shit. 

 

You don't get it. I literally am sick right now.

 

 

The eovaldi outing last year against us was shocking. Thought he would shut us down on 6/15

 

 

In 24 innings.

 

His last 80 innings really when you include his quite dominant 56.1 IP after the all star game

 

 

Our last 2 wins have been very "un Marlin like" so I will take it 

 

 

Not saying who's side of the argument/debate I'm on here but I love that @squallis going out of his way to use stats and full on explanations vs "The COL"... it's pretty awesome. At this point, I'm waiting for MLB Network to do a whole show on the COL next.

 

 

Holy crap, just realized when the Marlins play the Rockies the scorebug and the boxscore on the screen will always read MIA-COL or vice versa! That's gonna be awesome!

 

 

Even still, it's not like he left the marlins and was good. He's adjusted and shown progress. Conclusion, C0L denied. 

 

Considering he didn't even develop the splitter, which has been a beutiful compliment to his 99mph fastball, until after the marlins, I say this should be a COL CONFIRMED case 

 

 

 Either way everyone has their opinion. So fair points on both sides.

 

 

You think the marlins culture prevented him from learning a splitter? It's not as if he went from shit to star, either. He went from good on a bad team to a little better by progressing as one would expect a young pitcher to do. C0L denied. 

 

The marlins culture prevented from learning a splitter in that they never even thought to teach him one. Same thing happened with disco who learned a new & effective change up when he left miami. That is the definition of a culture of losing. C0L CONFIRMED

 

 

That the definition of shit player development and coaching. C0L denied. 

 

Aren't the one in the same? Reopening this C0L case.

 

 

That the definition of shit player development and coaching. C0L denied. 

 

 

 

COL confirmed. Everyone who has the name Nate has sucked for the Marlins. Also COL if your name is nate and didn't make the Marlins then you really are a loser.

 

 

Squall makes a solid case on EO. I'll second his C0L denial

 

 

I'm going too say that it's mostly some players take to heart their failures when they sign somewhere and get released, traded, etc. before their contract is up and work that much harder to improve on their faults and thus succeed elsewhere after they move on.  Just understanding basic human nature (most athletes are highly competitive) , I can comfortably say that it's likely well over 50% of players have this reaction regardless of which team they played for previously.  Sometimes that drive to succeed to make amends for their failures elsewhere will push them on to have great seasons (comparatively speaking) after they move on to their next club.  There's a reason why many of us will say "he doesn't look like the same player as he was here......".  It's because they aren't as they've worked hard as correcting the mistakes they were making while playing for the Marlins, or any other team. 

 

Our "curse" is that we've seemingly always been saddled with shitty ownership and haven't had a competent front office since the Dombrowski days.  It starts there and ends there. 

 

 

Man crazy to think how lucky we were with that first front office led by Dombrowski. Or maybe I'm wrong and it was garbage at the time but looking back and thinking we had Dombrowski as GM just seems like it was a good thing. Then again, I can't remember player transactions from then as well as I do now so what do I know?

 

 

I'm going too say that it's mostly some players take to heart their failures when they sign somewhere and get released, traded, etc. before their contract is up and work that much harder to improve on their faults and thus succeed elsewhere after they move on.  Just understanding basic human nature (most athletes are highly competitive) , I can comfortably say that it's likely well over 50% of players have this reaction regardless of which team they played for previously.  Sometimes that drive to succeed to make amends for their failures elsewhere will push them on to have great seasons (comparatively speaking) after they move on to their next club.  There's a reason why many of us will say "he doesn't look like the same player as he was here......".  It's because they aren't as they've worked hard as correcting the mistakes they were making while playing for the Marlins, or any other team. 

 

Our "curse" is that we've seemingly always been saddled with shitty ownership and haven't had a competent front office since the Dombrowski days.  It starts there and ends there. 

 

Subconsciously I'm upset with the team because of the ownership. It really is a Mickey Mouse run franchise