If Williamson is eligible for arbitration and the Sox don't want him, why even make a deal? I say we tender all of our starting pitchers and see where things lay in 5 days. Or just trade Redman to the Rangers for Snare. Or dangle Pavano to a couple clubs (Cards?). No point in helping the Red Sox get A-Rod and send Nomar to the Phillies or Dodgers.

Pavano shall not be dangled.

 

Pavano shall remain here.

We could get a lot for Pavano right now. A most impressive performance in the playoffs.

We could get a lot for Pavano right now. A most impressive performance in the playoffs.

Exactly - we will be losing a lot ourselves! I want Vlad as much as anyone, but not at the expense of the remainder of the team. We've all been ready to part with Redman -- rumors about that have been going around since August or so. Any other regular player would be crossing the line, I think.

The remainder of the team?? Pavs is arguably the 5th or 6th starter. He is also arguably the 3rd starter.

The remainder of the team?? Pavs is arguably the 5th or 6th starter. He is also arguably the 3rd starter.

Um...

 

paradox?

 

contradiction?

 

oxymoron?

 

anyone?

 

If he is arguably the third starter, as you said, why would you want to part with him?!

I'm not going to sit here and say why Pavano should stay, so I'll just give one reason almost anyone can relate to.

 

If Pavano stays, Alyssa Milano will be going to games.

Ah, yes, Alyssa...

 

My dream girl

Pavano is an asset and I'd hate to see him go.

The remainder of the team?? Pavs is arguably the 5th or 6th starter. He is also arguably the 3rd starter.

Um...

 

paradox?

 

contradiction?

 

oxymoron?

 

anyone?

 

If he is arguably the third starter, as you said, why would you want to part with him?! I think he is 5th or 6th but some guy out there who watched the playoffs only may think otherwise.

Sorry about that.

I'm not going to sit here and say why Pavano should stay, so I'll just give one reason almost anyone can relate to.

 

If Pavano stays, Alyssa Milano will be going to games.

WOW! I never thought of that!

We could get a lot for Pavano right now. A most impressive performance in the playoffs.

Exactly - we will be losing a lot ourselves! I want Vlad as much as anyone, but not at the expense of the remainder of the team. We've all been ready to part with Redman -- rumors about that have been going around since August or so. Any other regular player would be crossing the line, I think. That's just it. We'd made it so public that we weren't going to offer Enc arbitration that we got a non-prospect for him. If we're goign to trade someone trade someone with a bit of value. Pavano has a lot. Redman has little because half the Marlisn articles suggest he'll be cut. Who's going to give his a decent prospect or bullpen help for someone they could get for free?

McKeon likes Williamson alot from his Reds days. He knows what he can do as a starter as well as in the ben. I think he'd be a great 5th starter for us while AJ comes back, then we can use him in the pen. I think he respects McKeon enough as McKeon respects him he will have no problem with that. I think forget about Benitiez unless we don't get Vlad, and i think we have a small chance of resigning Looper for less than arbitration. If not he's gone. Oh well.

if Jack likes him we should like him. nuff said.

Williamson, who saved 21 games in half a season for Cincinnati last season, is a favorite of manager Jack McKeon, who had the pitcher when he led the Reds. Williamson, who was traded to Boston in July, is the odd man out in a Red Sox bullpen that includes Mike Timlin, Alam Embree and recently acquired closer Keith Foulke, and the team is interested in trading Williamson....The Red Sox reportedly have asked the Marlins for left-hander Mark Redman, a 14-game winner last season who also has drawn trade feelers from Oakland.

 

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sport...all/7501701.htm

For a sit which is as sophisticated as this one with so many good posters, I'm surprised Benite gets as much support as he's getting. He is way overpriced for a team that is counting its money carefully.

 

Trade Pavano? Interesting thought.

 

I love the guy-followed him since my buddy raved about him in Trenton and predicted great things for him. I think he's finally reached that level of excellence so many felt he had after his performance in the Series and playoffs, but you never know given his past (injuries, inconsistency,etc) Maybe he has great trade value now. On the other hand, he's still relatively cheap , so it wouldn't make sense to trade him :hat

For a site which is as sophisticated as this one with so many good posters, I'm surprised Benitez gets as much support as he's getting. He is way overpriced for a team that is counting its money carefully.

 

Trade Pavano? Interesting thought.

 

I love the guy-followed him since my buddy raved about him in Trenton and predicted great things for him. I think he's finally reached that level of excellence so many felt he had after his performance in the Series and playoffs, but you never know given his past (injuries, inconsistency,etc) Maybe he has great trade value now. On the other hand, he's still relatively cheap , so it wouldn't make sense to trade him :hat

I like the idea of trading Redman to the A's for a reliever and either switch-hitting catcher Mike Rose or lefty CA/IF/OF Jason Grabowski.

 

Williamson will eventually become a free agent and there's no reason to trade for him.

Voted for "both" but if I had to make a choice... Williamson. He has the gritty, tenacious, consistent, character a Closer needs. Much more mature than Benitez.

Carl should NOT be traded. Red is a different story...

 

and the reason why we arent trashing Benitez (these days) is because he is better than Looper :lol

Carl should NOT be traded. Red is a different story...

 

and the reason why we arent trashing Benitez (these days) is because he is better than Looper :lol

Yeah, I'd take my chances with either of them over Looper.

Keep Redman, buy Williamson, and wait until Spring Training to see what we have.

We have good arms and new arms coming to ST.

Carl should NOT be traded. Red is a different story...

 

and the reason why we arent trashing Benitez (these days) is because he is better than Looper :lol

so you dont agree?

Pavano a number 6 starter is crazy. Most teams don't even use a number 6 starter and it would NOT be Pavano. If he was with a team that was so stacked that he couldn't start, he would come out the bullpen without question. Pavano has been up and down in his first years in the MLB but he, Beckett, and Penny all matured and I'm pretty sure we can get a lot for any of them. (Not that I want to trade any)

 

I'd take that Redman for Williamson offer because we'd get another starter if AJ isn't ready.

so you dont agree?

i dont agree and i think Looper has way more upside