December 16, 200322 yr The A's have reportedly talked to the Marlins about a Mark Redman trade. They'd probably give up pitching prospects (not Joe Blanton) for Redman, who is due at least $3 million in arbitration. They could acquire him and then send him to another team.
December 16, 200322 yr I think we might use him to trade for Barret since he was traded there today and the A's were looking to trade him.
December 16, 200322 yr Author in other news.... Two National League GMs told the Los Angeles Times that the Dodgers officially got into the bidding for Ivan Rodriguez yesterday. It appears that Pudge is currently seeking $36 million over four years. If the Dodgers sign him, they'll trade Paul Lo Duca. /Rotoworld for Both
December 16, 200322 yr in other news.... Two National League GMs told the Los Angeles Times that the Dodgers officially got into the bidding for Ivan Rodriguez yesterday. It appears that Pudge is currently seeking $36 million over four years. If the Dodgers sign him, they'll trade Paul Lo Duca. /Rotoworld for Both com on Pudge sign with the O's for that much.
December 16, 200322 yr interesting...the A's have a deep farm system. I'm going to check up on Barett's stats. Looks like hes been awful...maybe hes a defensive specialist. We need another offensive piece though. :plain
December 16, 200322 yr Barret was just dealt to the Cubs i think (checks MLB Forums) The Oakland Athletics traded catcher Michael Barrett to the Chicago Cubs on Tuesday, a day after acquiring him from Montreal. The A's will receive a player to be named from Chicago. In addition, Oakland agreed to a two-year contract with reliever Ricardo Rincon. The 33-year-old left-hander was 8-4 with a 3.25 ERA in 64 relief appearances last season. from a friends site...off the AP wire.
December 16, 200322 yr If/ When we unload Mark Redman will that put us over the top for Vlad? Meaning we'll have more than enough money to bring him to S. Fla for sure, assuming all that he, his friends and mom have been saying is true.
December 16, 200322 yr This is great news about LA. The longer the O's and the Dodgers are tangled up in the catcher mess, the more time we have to talk to Vlad and come up with an acceptable offer. Hopefully things will keep lining up in our favor!
December 17, 200322 yr If/ When we unload Mark Redman will that put us over the top for Vlad? Meaning we'll have more than enough money to bring him to S. Fla for sure, assuming all that he, his friends and mom have been saying is true. That is patently untrue. Bringing Vlad here will drive payroll to almost $80 million in 2004. I believe you are forgetting the $11 million in deferred compensation owed Hampton and Pudge.
December 17, 200322 yr 80 Mil? I'll bring out the same strategy we use when we can't figure out what down it is when we are playing football. Count them.
December 17, 200322 yr That is patently untrue. Bringing Vlad here will drive payroll to almost $80 million in 2004. I believe you are forgetting the $11 million in deferred compensation owed Hampton and Pudge. Alright, we'll go on an adverb battle: Your claim is also unequivocably false. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion payroll will rise to $80 million in 2004 if we sign Guerrero. First off, most payroll numbers shot out by the press include the $11 million owed to Hampton and Rodriguez. Not everyone we get our information from writes for the Las Vegas Sun Secondly, there are no contracts these days that strictly work out to a solid average. Take Tejada's deal, for example. It averages out to $12 million a year, but Baltimore is only paying him $7 million next year. God only knows what type of deal our creative masterminds will work out with Guerrero, but whatever it may be, it will most certainly not drive payroll to the preposterous amount you have proposed.
December 17, 200322 yr That is patently untrue. Bringing Vlad here will drive payroll to almost $80 million in 2004. I believe you are forgetting the $11 million in deferred compensation owed Hampton and Pudge. Alright, we'll go on an adverb battle: Your claim is also unequivocably false. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion payroll will rise to $80 million in 2004 if we sign Guerrero. First off, most payroll numbers shot out by the press include the $11 million owed to Hampton and Rodriguez. Not everyone we get our information from writes for the Las Vegas Sun Secondly, there are no contracts these days that strictly work out to a solid average. Take Tejada's deal, for example. It averages out to $12 million a year, but Baltimore is only paying him $7 million next year. God only knows what type of deal our creative masterminds will work out with Guerrero, but whatever it may be, it will most certainly not drive payroll to the preposterous amount you have proposed. Obviously dont know how to add. Unless you intend to field a team with fifteen players instead of 25 and you don't want to count deferred compensation, this team's payroll after we go to arbitration with every pitcher excepting Bump and Willis, with Gonzo and the rest is already at about $58 million (including the $11 million) and that doesn't include Redman. I assume when all is said and done our payroll (without VG) will top $62 million and then theres the money we'll spend during the season to stay competitive as we did landing Uggie, etc. Call me a liar for $5 million, maybe with Vlad's $17 million its only $75 million. Just because you get a Vlad G to defer $ 5 mil doesn't mean you aren't going to pay it. The same thing with Luis Castillo who may be paid as little as $4 mil this year but he is owed a significant signing bonus that must be paid during the period of his contract and so you most amortize it over that term.
December 17, 200322 yr That is patently untrue. Bringing Vlad here will drive payroll to almost $80 million in 2004. I believe you are forgetting the $11 million in deferred compensation owed Hampton and Pudge. Alright, we'll go on an adverb battle: Your claim is also unequivocably false. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion payroll will rise to $80 million in 2004 if we sign Guerrero. First off, most payroll numbers shot out by the press include the $11 million owed to Hampton and Rodriguez. Not everyone we get our information from writes for the Las Vegas Sun Secondly, there are no contracts these days that strictly work out to a solid average. Take Tejada's deal, for example. It averages out to $12 million a year, but Baltimore is only paying him $7 million next year. God only knows what type of deal our creative masterminds will work out with Guerrero, but whatever it may be, it will most certainly not drive payroll to the preposterous amount you have proposed. Yeah, prorated he's making $12 mil per, but usually teams backload contracts anyway, so Derek Jeter is going to be a $20 million player in a year, and so forth. Guerrero will have to back-load any deal, and we do get out from Hampton's payments after next year so having that $10 million and then $11 million off of our books gives us wiggle room in 2 years :banghead , but getting back to topic; a contract negotiation similar to Hamptons which went like: 2001: $8.0M (+$20.0M signing bonus deferred until end of contract) 2002: $8.5M 2003: $11.0M [ATL $2.0M / FLA $9.0M] 2004: $12.0M [ATL $2.0M / FLA $10.0M] 2005: $12.5M [ATL $1.5M / FLA $11.0M] 2006: $13.5M 2007: $14.5M 2008: $15.0M 2009: Team option $20.0M or $6.0M buyout would be something for us to think about. A big signing bonus spread out over the course of the contract would work for us I think, with smaller, progressively rising base salaries. Something like that would have to be what we work with considering our restraints, especially with the issue of deferred payments to Pudge/Hampton and financing of a new stadium. :mischief2
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December 17, 200322 yr I heard Oakland got Barret....so we can always work out a deal. Redman for Barret and a Prospect?
December 17, 200322 yr I thought Ramp did an excellent job on his spreadsheet but you have to keep in mind that some of these numbers have changed or will change (to the upside) after arbitration and some clear thinking. For example it's in the Marlins' interest to give certain otherwise ineligible players a raise, Dontrelle and Cabs to name two. The Fish simply cannot allow Dontrelle to be out there every afternoon doing signings and appearances in order to make a few bucks and exhaust himself like he did last year. They are much better offer saying to the guy "look here's $500k, no more than one signing a month" and look for them to lock up Cabs pretty quickly with a multi-year deal. Also Mordy for example will be making more than $400k, Lowell signed for $8 mil, Castillo will average $5.33 per not $4. If you don't accrue for these guys it only come back nd bites you in the butt later on. Banks will make more than $300k next year as a second year player. The list goes on and on...
December 17, 200322 yr I thought Ramp did an excellent job on his spreadsheet but you have to keep in mind that some of these numbers have changed or will change (to the upside) after arbitration and some clear thinking. For example it's in the Marlins' interest to give certain otherwise ineligible players a raise, Dontrelle and Cabs to name two. The Fish simply cannot allow Dontrelle to be out there every afternoon doing signings and appearances in order to make a few bucks and exhaust himself like he did last year. They are much better offer saying to the guy "look here's $500k, no more than one signing a month" and look for them to lock up Cabs pretty quickly with a multi-year deal. Also Mordy for example will be making more than $400k, Lowell signed for $8 mil, Castillo will average $5.33 per not $4. If you don't accrue for these guys it only come back nd bites you in the butt later on. Banks will make more than $300k next year as a second year player. The list goes on and on... We'll see what happens as the off-season goes on and spring training approaches in reference to Dontrelle and Miguel. But, again, with the recent multi-year signings, it's not just an average of the total. I'll point you again to Tejada's deal to assert that. Also, if you look at Ramp's complete spreadsheet you can tell that he accounts for arbitration.
December 17, 200322 yr I thought Ramp did an excellent job on his spreadsheet but you have to keep in mind that some of these numbers have changed or will change (to the upside) after arbitration and some clear thinking. For example it's in the Marlins' interest to give certain otherwise ineligible players a raise, Dontrelle and Cabs to name two. The Fish simply cannot allow Dontrelle to be out there every afternoon doing signings and appearances in order to make a few bucks and exhaust himself like he did last year. They are much better offer saying to the guy "look here's $500k, no more than one signing a month" and look for them to lock up Cabs pretty quickly with a multi-year deal. Also Mordy for example will be making more than $400k, Lowell signed for $8 mil, Castillo will average $5.33 per not $4. If you don't accrue for these guys it only come back nd bites you in the butt later on. Banks will make more than $300k next year as a second year player. The list goes on and on... We'll see what happens as the off-season goes on and spring training approaches in reference to Dontrelle and Miguel. But, again, with the recent multi-year signings, it's not just an average of the total. I'll point you again to Tejada's deal to assert that. Also, if you look at Ramp's complete spreadsheet you can tell that he accounts for arbitration. Believe me, the FO uses accrual rather cash accounting otherwise you'll have year where 40% of your payroll is due before you sign a player. And do I have to point out again that some of the numbers are just plain unadjusted from 2003 when the union contract demands raises for many of those players? Sheesh.
December 17, 200322 yr Either way, you've never given your mathematics behind the $80 million payroll. But you know what? This is pointless. It doesn't look like we're getting Vlad anyway, so let's just drop it.
December 17, 200322 yr Just reported on channel 10: it's official: Redman to Oakland for P Mark Neu (former UM Cane), a PTBNL, and cash. EDIT: fixed spelling of last name
December 17, 200322 yr wow, is this New guy any good? I find it kind of surprising that we traded Big Red if we are in fact out of the Vlad sweepstakes.
December 17, 200322 yr Yes, Neu is the man. I saw him pitch in college, and will enjoy watching him pitch again.
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