You guys still don't get my point. I understand and agree that Pudge looked greedy and his statements weren't a very smart move. I am not as ignorant as you think I am. lol

 

My point is, don't let the media feed you with what they say or make things seem as they look. I am not saying anything as facts because honestly, I don't know about what happens behind the scenes.

 

That's it. No need to get your undies up in a bunch over nothing at all.

first of all, my undies were already in a bunch

 

secondly, the media isnt feeding me s***..... i trust my guts and instinct on this one

 

he's an a**

You guys still don't get my point. I understand and agree that Pudge looked greedy and his statements weren't a very smart move. I am not as ignorant as you think I am. lol

 

My point is, don't let the media feed you with what they say or make things seem as they look. I am not saying anything as facts because honestly, I don't know about what happens behind the scenes.

 

That's it. No need to get your undies up in a bunch over nothing at all.

 

first of all, my panties are nice and smoothed out right now. and they're silk.

 

secondly, i am just going off of Pudge's statements. the press may have been the vehicle through which i read them, but it doesn't matter if i read it in the Sentinel or if Pudge called me up and said them to me personally. That stuff about thinking he was doing us a favor by "not asking for an increase in salary" and just asking for what he made last year, that was a joke. he had to know how silly that sounded.

Isn't almost every other baseball player greedy? (Example: A Rod)

Wait, I surely dont think A-Rod is greedy... He took those 10 years, $252 mill because they offered it to him, but now he is willing to take some paycut to go play in Boston so i dont find him greedy at all.. Read this article I got in an email. My friend sent it to me. It's from Saturday's Herald. It's more based on an opinion, but I like the article. It's very well put together and shows how a lot of baseball players are these days. (Yes, Pudge included. There, I said it.)

 

Money is not everything

 

In the Jean Paul Sartre existentialist play ``No Exit" - oh boy, how about starting a sports column with that? - you have three characters stuck together in hell with no way out. They hate each other and are strangely attracted to each other and find that they cannot escape each other.

 

The play could also be called ``A-Rod and the Texas Rangers."

 

I know it's not polite to be giddy about the collapsing Alex Rodriguez trade fiasco. But I can't help it. It's a hilarious tale. I mean, Rodriguez seems like a decent enough guy. He's a fabulous player, a good shortstop, a fast base runner, a hitter who launches long home runs with just the flick of the bat. If he stays healthy and interested, he should break the all-time home-run record someday. When he retires he will figure prominently in the ``Who is the greatest baseball player ever?" bar fight.

 

And he's utterly stuck in Texas.

 

Now that's what I call justice.

 

Here, you have three characters_Rangers owner Tom Hicks, super agent Scott Boras and A-Rod himself_who find themselves entwined and tangled in a mess only gluttony could have made. Three years ago, Hicks wanted to make a big splash, Boras wanted to cut a historic deal, and Rodriguez wanted to break the bank.

 

So the three of them worked something out. Hicks coughed up a 10-year, $252 million deal when nobody else was offering anything close. Boras saw a chance to make the biggest deal in baseball and American sports history and nothing else. A-Rod announced it wasn't about the money, but even on camera you could see the dollar signs in his eyes.

 

Oh, there were a lot of smiles the day that deal was signed.

 

Now? Now, the three of them find themselves trapped with each other. Hicks would trade Rodriguez for two rocks and a Ping-Pong paddle if he could get himself out from under that fat Marlon Brando of a contract. And nobody's interested. The Red Sox were willing to make the trade only if they could dump their own Pavarotti contract, the five-year $97 million they have left on Captain Hustle Manny Ramirez's deal.

 

Meanwhile, the famously money-grubbing Boras is so desperate to get his main man out of Texas, he seems willing to shave $30 million off the deal, a frantic ploy that_in a twist pulled right out of a Grimm's Fairy Tale_was quashed by Rodriguez's own players union.

 

And then there's A-Rod himself. He has had three of the greatest offensive seasons in baseball history in Texas. And, his manager, reportedly, can't stand him. An assortment of teammates made it clear the team would be better off with him gone. The Rangers have finished dead last all three years he has been with the team (I know, it's not his fault, he's been great, best player in the American League, one guy can't win baseball games, etc._but, hey, last is last). Texas baseball fans_assuming you could find them this time of year_generally seem to believe the team can't win unless the best player in the American League is gone.

 

And Rangers management has made it clear they made a big, big mistake giving him that much money, and they would do anything short of filing bankruptcy to get out from under that contract.

 

Yes, A-Rod has to feel good about being in Texas.

 

So here you have the three of them, the oblivious owner, the sharpie agent and the greedy ballplayer all joined together on a last-place baseball team. They all got exactly what they wanted. And they all would do anything to get out of the deal. That's what Sartre was talking about. That's no exit.

 

Sure, it's still possible_probable even_that the Red Sox will come back and save the day. They are in an all-out blitz to beat the Yankees, and an unhappy Nomar Garciaparra and Manny Ramirez could blow up the whole thing. Garciaparra could cause a major clubhouse storm if he isn't traded. And Ramirez might somehow find a way to notch down his already world-famous no-hustle act.

 

But for now, Hicks, Boras and A-Rod find themselves in this existential torture chamber, and it really does serve them right. I'm loving this. I hope the Red Sox don't come to the rescue. I hope they all end up in Texas on opening day. Hicks can watch his prize player. Boras can enjoy the fame (and riches) of negotiating baseball's biggest deal.

 

And Alex Rodriguez can kick at the dirt and look around at another last-place team, at a pitching staff that gives up homers faster than he can hit them, at fans who see him only as a giant pile of money not spent on pitching, at teammates who wish he were gone_and he will try to comfort himself because he got $25 million instead of the measly $18 million he would have had to settle for in Atlanta or Seattle or someplace like that.

 

``We are here forever," Inez says at the end of ``No Exit."

 

``Forever," Estella says. ``My God, how funny. Forever."

 

``Forever and ever and ever," Garcin says.

 

(A long pause.)

 

``Well, well," Garcin says, ``let's get on with it."

You guys still don't get my point. I understand and agree that Pudge looked greedy and his statements weren't a very smart move. I am not as ignorant as you think I am. lol

 

My point is, don't let the media feed you with what they say or make things seem as they look. I am not saying anything as facts because honestly, I don't know about what happens behind the scenes.

 

That's it. No need to get your undies up in a bunch over nothing at all.

just one thing...

 

he didnt look greedy.

 

he is greedy

lol arod didnt take the paycut to go to boston. dont go by what the y saying cuz it could be bs. as of now and always. arod is greedy.

OT: didnt ARod initially ask for about $170mil and dumbass Hicks gave him $252mil?

Oh boy...where can I start? LOL

 

My undies comment was a joke, guys. Sheesh.... You see how some of you blow things way out of proportion? LOL My point from the beginning was....and still is, that the media is evil and don't listen to half of what they tell you or show you.

just one thing...

 

he didnt look greedy.

 

he is greedy

I am not going to argue with that. It's true. But I keep saying it over and over...he's not the only one.

 

secondly, the media isnt feeding me s***..... i trust my guts and instinct on this one

 

Good! Don't listen to the media. The media sucks.

 

secondly, i am just going off of Pudge's statements. the press may have been the vehicle through which i read them, but it doesn't matter if i read it in the Sentinel or if Pudge called me up and said them to me personally. That stuff about thinking he was doing us a favor by "not asking for an increase in salary" and just asking for what he made last year, that was a joke. he had to know how silly that sounded.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again. I know his statements weren't very smart. I agree with you there.

My undies comment was a joke, guys. Sheesh....

 

mine wasn't. silk....with a little rose on the front. quite sexy.

Here are my two cents whatever it's worth. We offered Pudge a three year deal to play 81 games in his hometown with his family. He declined for whatever reason he did.

 

Javy Lopez signed for a similar deal that we offered pudge.

 

Javy's stats 100+ RBIs 40+ Homers .300+ avg

Pudge was way below all of those stats

 

Would i want pudge hell yeah, but he needs to understand that his stock went down and he's not worth 10 mil a year.

 

Read this article I got in an email. My friend sent it to me. It's from Saturday's Herald. It's more based on an opinion, but I like the article. It's very well put together and shows how a lot of baseball players are these days. (Yes, Pudge included. There, I said it.)

I don't want to read it.

It is from the media.

 

 

And on the Pudge 81 games in his hometown. . .

You forgot one thing: It isn't just his hometown with his family. Its the world champs.

 

Mamitaa: The writing is on the wall. It isn't about listening to the media. It is about listening to yourself.

I am not in the media. Listen to me:

 

Pudge could have played here for 3 years, 25 million.

He'd rather leave to go look for 2 mor million.

He is greedy.

You don't want to face the truth, and I respect your loyalty.

But to this whole board you sound like a complete idiot.

 

Pudge made the decision to leave the Champs, to leave his family, to leave his statue, to leave his yacht . . . all for a risk ( a couple extra million bucks).

 

Then Pudge blasted the organization which we take so much pride in.

 

You know what?

Pudge will make 10 Million. . .

 

in yen!

I am not going to say if Pudge is greedy or not. I will admit his comments about the FO were really stupid. :banghead Whatever happened to the man that walked into the Rangers FO and negotiated his own deal when things werent getting done? I dont know if this has been asked but would it be legal for another team to sign Pudge and trade him to the Marlins? :mischief2

I am not going to say if Pudge is greedy or not. I will admit his comments about the FO were really stupid. :banghead Whatever happened to the man that walked into the Rangers FO and negotiated his own deal when things werent getting done? I dont know if this has been asked but would it be legal for another team to sign Pudge and trade him to the Marlins? :mischief2

No. If he was traded to us, he'd first have to change his jersey number and take a salary increase.

He is greedy.

You don't want to face the truth, and I respect your loyalty.

But to this whole board you sound like a complete idiot.

LOL Didn't I admit he was being greedy? Don't you read? Guess not. Call me an idiot. Call me what you want. I am a Pudge fan. Sue me. You're only blasting me because of that. I know it. How come whenever someone else defends Pudge they don't get blasted,huh?

how can u be loyal to pudge if he wasnt loyal to u?

How do you know if Pudge wasn't loyal to me? By that statement? That wasn't an attack at me or the fans, it was an attack at the FO. I am not your "godfather". LOL

 

EDIT

 

After thorougly thinking about that question, I am ready to answer it with more details.

 

? I am sure a lot of you pick on me simply because I am a female Pudge fan and you think I only like him based on looks. Well, FYI, I like Pudge not only for his looks (I admit he's good looking), but what really caught my attention about him was the way he shows his passion for the game (NLDS - his winning out is a HUGE example), the way he makes it a point to say a little prayer when he's batting, the way he loves his family so much he points up at them (sitting in the skyboxes) whenever he hits a homer. It's not about his butt or his muscles.

 

? Nobody is perfect. We all have our faults as human beings. Pudge's greediness is one of his faults and I forgive him.

 

? When I met Ivan, he was very nice. He was not an a**hole. He made sure every fan left with an autograph in hand and a smile on their face. He does not ignore his fans. I have seen it with my own eyes in PERSON, not just what I see on TV and read in the paper.

 

Honestly, this argument is going nowhere since obviously some people aren't even trying to see my point of view. Everyone has their opinion. I have mine. You have yours. I made a simple point in my original post and look at where this got us. The topic has gone way overboard. The argument is repetitive ("Pudge is greedy. Pudge is an a**hole." bla bla bla). I don't need to repeat myself to some ignorant kids. Yes, I am upset about what Pudge said in that statement, but how do we even know he even said that on his own? Remember that Boras was the one who sent it out.

 

I actually admire Pudge for going after what he wants and never giving up.

 

Now, I ask Admin to please lock this thread since this argument is going absolutely nowhere. No one is going to change my mind nor will I change anyone's mind (I didn't even try to in the first place).

 

I am ashamed at how some people acted in here with me. Then you wonder why others call us Marlins fans morons.

 

Thanks and Happy Holidays.

Gone Off-Topic and personal disputes.