Not to defend Pudge although I guess I am, when you have a family, especially with kids, your perspective regarding money changes. I don't fault the guy for trying to get what he wanted, I lay the blame closer to the feet of his agent who advised/convinced him the market was there for his services at a price point that wasn't reasonable.

24 million as opposed to 28 million.....

 

 

 

yawn.

 

 

 

this is not like the 'real world' where people are dealing with making enough to support their family.

 

 

 

if mr. rodriguez doesnt have enough to support his family and his kids' kid's then he needs to take some serious money management classes.

Not to defend Pudge although I guess I am, when you have a family, especially with kids, your perspective regarding money changes. I don't fault the guy for trying to get what he wanted, I lay the blame closer to the feet of his agent who advised/convinced him the market was there for his services at a price point that wasn't reasonable.

24 million as opposed to 28 million.....

 

 

 

yawn.

 

 

 

this is not like the 'real world' where people are dealing with making enough to support their family.

 

 

 

if mr. rodriguez doesnt have enough to support his family and his kids' kid's then he needs to take some serious money management classes. Add to the wife and kids, a huge house, a speed boat, and a 70+ foot yatch that he is contractualy obligated to spent 100K to 150K in cosmetic maintenance alone, plus who knows what else.

 

The guy has some expensive taste.

 

If Michael Jackson, Rossane and other celebrities has end up broke after winning mega millions, watch out, Pudge may be on the same boat (or should I say same yatch?).

screw him already...his secretary called me asking me for pudge jerseys and stuff for pudge..I'm tired of hearing of him wanting so much for no reason.....I"m tired of fudge.

Isn't greed one of the seven deadly sins?

i think it is.

Isn't greed one of the seven deadly sins?

Yes

 

Me and Das went over this when Pudge left, and concluded that at minimum, Pudge is guilty of at least 5 of the 7 deadly sins.

5 of 7?

 

He better sleep with one eye open

what are they.

I still hope he decides to come back in May

Isn't greed one of the seven deadly sins?

Yes

 

Me and Das went over this when Pudge left, and concluded that at minimum, Pudge is guilty of at least 5 of the 7 deadly sins.

Sloth was certainly not one of his sins.

O.k , Gluttony is one too. Don't think that was one was it.Someone else.s turn to name one

The seven deadly sins are:

 

Pride

Greed

Envy

Wrath

Lust

Gluttony

Sloth

I hate Pudge. But, I am watching the game 1 of the nlcs on vhs as i speak and he just drove in 2 runs with a tie game in the top of the 9th.

i'll boo him if he comes back on the other team

 

if he wants to come back to the marlins. . .

Lust.....naw

Gluttony.....well, his nickname is Pudge

Sloth.....naw

Pride.....check (um, see statue)

Greed.....check (duh)

Envy.....check (envious of other players with larger contract)

Wrath.....iffy (he did blow up on a couple umps

Lust.....naw

Gluttony.....well, his nickname is Pudge

Sloth.....naw

Pride.....check (um, see statue)

Greed.....check (duh)

Envy.....check (envious of other players with larger contract)

Wrath.....iffy (he did blow up on a couple umps

Good analysis! :thumbup

Wrath.....iffy (he did blow up on a couple umps

Wrath - he blasted the FO for not being willing to keep the team together.

I don't think that this number is accurate. I heard the Orioles made the same offer to Pudge as to Javy. I know that ESPN has since reported the 3/28 number, but I seriously doubt the veracity of the report. As the deal was close to being finalized, every report I heard or read maintained that Pudge and Javy were both offered the same deal and whoever accepted it first would be signed. This is what I found from the Washington Post, dated Dec. 21:

 

With no other teams making serious runs at either catcher, the Orioles assumed the agents' usual strategy of playing one suitor against another. They made twin three-year offers to both players and told them they would sign the first one to accept their offer.

 

Rodriguez told a Miami television station Thursday that the Orioles had offered him a four-year deal; the Orioles denied the offer and, upset at what they viewed as a negotiating ploy to scare Lopez into signing elsewhere, turned their attention to Lopez.

 

As the negotiations heated up late this week and into the weekend, the Orioles increased their original offer to Lopez of three years and $18 million.

 

Link to full text

 

It is possible that they increased the 3/18 offer for Pudge, too. But by 10 mill? And at a time when their opinion of Pudge was soured by his shenanigans? I doubt it.

 

Could it be that the 3/28 figure is another product of Boras's spin machine? :headscratch you completely misinterpreted the text in that article. the offers to pudge and javy were not identical in the amount of money (the writer of that article, which i have already seen, is to blame for the awkward wording). at no point did the O's offer the same amount of money to pudge and to javy. pudge's 3 year offer was always more money than javy's.

 

i could go and dig up at least 50 different articles stating that, but i'd rather not since i'm sure you could do the same and see for yourself. the wording in the article you quoted is probably what misled you. anyone who followed the story closely could tell you that pudge's offer was always significantly more than javy's.

 

about the marlins' offer to pudge, again, i am not certain it was explicitly 3 years/$24 million because not a single one of the sources that reported that figure second-hand used the word "guaranteed" or showed any assuredness in the number. Admin beinfest himself said his final offer was "worth more than $7 million per year," which could mean any number of things, though it suggests an incentive-leaden third year. in any case, the final offer was either 3/24 or 2/16 plus a 3rd option year to make it potentially $24, and since i admittedly don't really know what it was, i'm not debating that point. i'll accept 3/24 for the sake of comparison.

 

if you refuse to accept the report of 3/$28 or anything similar to that, then i don't think i have much to discuss here. again, i'm a news geek and i'd rather not explain the nuances of what makes certain reports more credible than others. ultimately, i am confident that the O's offered significantly more than what we did, and i am also confident that pudge will continue to receive offers greater than ours.

 

if you think we offered pudge more money than anyone else can, you are mistaken. if anything is evident thus far in this offseason, it is that the front office is infatuated with the hometown discount.

I'm not sure what to believe regarding offers to Pudge except the general consensus seems to be our final offer was 3yrs/$24 mil.

 

From what I can gather through www.news.google.com at least six articles reference that number.

 

We may never know what the exact terms and dollar figure was or what other offers he received were. Below is a portion of a piece in the Washington Post regarding Lopez and Pudge.

 

"The Orioles wrapped up negotiations late Sunday night with Javy Lopez on a three-year deal worth $22.5 million; the deal is contingent upon Lopez passing a physical examination Tuesday in Baltimore.

 

"Javy was the targeted guy for quite some time," Orioles Vice President of Baseball Operations Mike Flanagan said Monday. "Our feeling is that we've landed a very good offensive player."

 

In signing Lopez, 33, the team spurned Ivan "Pudge" Rodriguez, at least for now. Flanagan said the team still has not ruled out signing Rodriguez, though it is not clear whether their offer of $21 million over three years is still on the table. "

I'm not sure what to believe regarding offers to Pudge except the general consensus seems to be our final offer was 3yrs/$24 mil.

 

From what I can gather through www.news.google.com at least six articles reference that number.

i looked at all of those articles before i posted and verified that none of them specified how much of the money or how many of the years were guaranteed. that's why i mentioned the beinfest quote.

 

3 years $21 million was the only offer the O's publicly made early during negotiations, just as 3 years $18 million was the public offer they made for javy on the same day.

 

javy obviously negotiated up to 22.5 from that 18, but no one knows for sure what pudge's final offer was from his 21 starting point. the only thing that was well known was that pudge's deal would be greater than javy's ever would be.

 

anyways, this discussion has gone completely off topic.

 

i hope pudge becomes a tiger.

I'm not sure what to believe regarding offers to Pudge except the general consensus seems to be our final offer was 3yrs/$24 mil.

 

From what I can gather through www.news.google.com at least six articles reference that number.

i looked at all of those articles before i posted and verified that none of them specified how much of the money or how many of the years were guaranteed. that's why i mentioned the beinfest quote.

 

3 years $21 million was the only offer the O's publicly made early during negotiations, just as 3 years $18 million was the public offer they made for javy on the same day.

 

javy obviously negotiated up to 22.5 from that 18, but no one knows for sure what pudge's final offer was from his 21 starting point. the only thing that was well known was that pudge's deal would be greater than javy's ever would be.

 

anyways, this discussion has gone completely off topic.

 

i hope pudge becomes a tiger. Lol, yes Alka we have gone far astray of the thread. And BTW I'm not disagreeing with you, my point really was no one knows for sure what was said or not said, offered or not offered between Pudge and the Fish, or Pudge and the O's, or anyone else for that matter.

if you refuse to accept the report of 3/$28 or anything similar to that, then i don't think i have much to discuss here. again, i'm a news geek and i'd rather not explain the nuances of what makes certain reports more credible than others.

 

I guess I'm not as good a geek *** :dork *** as you because I couldn't find any sources that "confirmed" the 3/28 figure that didn't sound like they had "Boras spin" written all over them. Several of them were tellingly titled: "Orioles: Who's Telling the Truth." Unlike you, I'm willing to admit that a certain amount of discrepancy and self-interest might creep into the figures which have been reported to the press. In the end, a very limited number of individuals know what the exact offer to Pudge was. The Orioles have no interest in broadcasting that figure. Boras has a tremendous interest in manipulating the spin. I don't know why you can't understand the "nuances" of that reality.

 

if you refuse to accept the report of 3/$28 or anything similar to that, then i don't think i have much to discuss here.? again, i'm a news geek and i'd rather not explain the nuances of what makes certain reports more credible than others.?

 

One more thing: This is the oldest rhetorical trick in the book (start by looking up "praeteritio"). As difficult as this may be to believe, Alkazoid, I have no reason to implicitly trust your overweening intellect.

wow, i get the feeling that your ego is mired in eggshells. remind me never to correct you for misinterpreting something you read.

 

you are correct in that the reported 3/28 is just as questionable as the 3/24 by the marlins. the figure is definitely questionable for a number of reasons, including the "boras spin" to which you correctly refer. also, in the days since the article's release, i've seen no other report confirming that figure. i agree with you in questioning its credibility. i now have doubts about it, and i apologize for even implying that one report would be more believable than another. i am not privy to the ESPN writer's sources, so there is really no way to make a comparison other than pointing out that there is no conflicting report.

 

returning to the topic at hand, my point (which apparently you have no opinion on) is that pudge can and will get offers greater than 3 / $24. if javy signed for $22.5, there is no question in my mind that pudge was offered more than $24 by the O's. but again, that is off topic.

 

i think that pudge will get easily get a 3 year offer greater than $24 million by another team. what does everyone else think? did the marlins offer him more money than any other team in all of baseball can?