January 16, 200422 yr Ridiculous if this is true. What a major screwing for Pudge. Not only will he make about the same money he could have made playing at home in Miami, but he'll playing for the Detriot Tigers, with 100 fans, and 100 losses. What comes around goes around Without looking it up, I would assume the tigers attendance wasn't far off our attendance and maybe even better. And remember They play in the weakest division in baseball the comedy central. Don't forget who runs that club up there....Dombrowski... he knows a little something about putting together a good team. With the players the tigers added this winter *if* pudge signs they could possibly contend for the central.
January 16, 200422 yr Actually Detroit did beat us in one thing last year attendance..........................................attendance figures Sad really :banghead
January 16, 200422 yr Everyone says Pudge is a lock to get in the HOF. It's not that easy or straightforward. 75% of the vote is no cakewalk to get. Just ask Gary Carter. Pudge certainly isn't going to increase his chances by playing for a perennial last place team. Getting his long term deal with the Tigers could blow his HOF chances. IMO
January 16, 200422 yr How exactly did Clemens screw the yankees. I can understand your point of the farewell tour but that was just an unclassy move on his part, nothing really against the yankees though. It is so hypocritical for yankees fans to cry over one of their players selling them out to sign with another team as the Yankees do that every offseason to the best free agent on the market. Did Giambi sell out the A's, Did Mussina sell out the orioles, Sheffield to the Braves, the list goes on and on The arrogance of Yankee fans never cease to amaze me
January 16, 200422 yr Everyone says Pudge is a lock to get in the HOF. It's not that easy or straightforward. 75% of the vote is no cakewalk to get. Just ask Gary Carter. Pudge certainly isn't going to increase his chances by playing for a perennial last place team. Getting his long term deal with the Tigers could blow his HOF chances. IMO Pudge is a HOF lock. And Pudge > Gary Carter
January 16, 200422 yr catcher is the toughest position, defensively, in baseball. pudge is the greatest defensive catcher of all time and won 10 straight gold gloves (unheard of for any position). to add to it, he also happened to have an incredible bat, which is rare in catchers. he's a lock. though there were catchers with better bats than him, none of those guys could play the position as well as him.
January 16, 200422 yr As might be expected the Detroit Free Press (freep.com) is all over this story. A couple of good reads.
January 16, 200422 yr Everyone says Pudge is a lock to get in the HOF. It's not that easy or straightforward. 75% of the vote is no cakewalk to get. Just ask Gary Carter. Pudge certainly isn't going to increase his chances by playing for a perennial last place team. Getting his long term deal with the Tigers could blow his HOF chances. IMO I don't think it's going to be a long term thing with them; from what I understand it seems that it would be a deal similar to ours: 1 year $10 mil. Pudge'll take money over long term security...
January 16, 200422 yr OT: Michael Kay: So Roger I am giving you an oppurtunity talk to the fans of New York Roger Clemens: I have nothing to say to them Um, Pudge committed the sin of sins in Miami. He accused the team of a firesale. Nothing, I mean NOTHING, could have been worse than that. Well, that's a matter of perspective. I would say after Roger saying all the "i'm going in the hall and reitiring as a yankee" and getting his butt kissed by everyone, to just leave after lying to everyone and not even acknowledge the fans. Pudge might of insulted ownership, but Roger turned his back on his fans...again! pudge is the greatest defensive catcher of all time and won 10 straight gold gloves (unheard of for any position). Jim Kaat had 16 straight as a pitcher!
January 16, 200422 yr How exactly did Clemens screw the yankees. I can understand your point of the farewell tour but that was just an unclassy move on his part, nothing really against the yankees though. It is so hypocritical for yankees fans to cry over one of their players selling them out to sign with another team as the Yankees do that every offseason to the best free agent on the market. Did Giambi sell out the A's, Did Mussina sell out the orioles, Sheffield to the Braves, the list goes on and on The arrogance of Yankee fans never cease to amaze me How exactly did Roger screw the yankees? 1. Costed too much money 2. Fraudulent farewell tour 3. Lied to the fans and front office 4. He failed to acknowledge the fans, say thank you, or goodbye the same eh did to boston and toronto: "Michael Kay: So Roger I am giving you an oppurtunity talk to the fans of New York Roger Clemens: I have nothing to say to them " I'm not exactly sure how hypocracy becomes arrogance, but yes, Yankees fans are mostly hypocritical and spoiled. Most fans are hypocritical, but yes, Yankee fans are very spoiled and stupid. I fought with these people about how Roger is overpaid, how he is classless, and ect and they would tell me "roger bleeds yankee pinstripes" and "he's full of class" and more nonsense. By no means confuse me with the huge amount of idiots that are yankees fans. Of course, not everyone is the same. Furthermore, maybe being a Mets and Bills fan humbled my soul!
January 16, 200422 yr 1. Costed too much money Don't get that one too much do you. And you think that by screwing over the ownership Pudge didn't screw over the fans? Please. At least Roger went to his hometown team, that is understandbale. We are Pudge's home town team.
January 16, 200422 yr How exactly did Roger screw the yankees? 1.? Costed too much money whose fault was that? 2.? Fraudulent farewell tour he honestly thought he was retiring 3.? Lied to the fans and front office he honestly thought he was retiring 4.? He failed to acknowledge the fans, say thank you, or goodbye the same eh did to boston and toronto: he told them farewell when he thought he was retiring "Michael Kay: So Roger I am giving you an oppurtunity talk to the fans of New York Roger Clemens: I have nothing to say to them " what do you expect him to say? "i like being a yankee better" or "i miss you guys" or "i'm only pitching for the astros because i love the game and it's right next to my house and andy convinced me" ? as oddly as it might have sounded, do you honestly think he was trying to be a jerk to yankee fans? it is entirely inappropriate for a player to put his fans from a previous team on a pedestal when joining a new team. why should he make the astros fans who support him feel less worthy in any way? it doesn't change the fact that he is a yankee first. he will go into the HOF as a yankee, just as he would like it.
January 16, 200422 yr to just leave after lying to everyone and not even acknowledge the fans. How was he lying? Do you really think he was thinking on pitching for the Astros on the farewell tour? please! He changed his mind. This proves he loves the game and he is not coming back for the MONEY
January 16, 200422 yr 1. Costed too much money Don't get that one too much do you. And you think that by screwing over the ownership Pudge didn't screw over the fans? Please. At least Roger went to his hometown team, that is understandbale. We are Pudge's home town team. Pudge was with you one year. He did win a ring, which was great, and the pitchers loved him, but he wasn't on them for a million years like the rangers. He might think the marlins can't win the world series again and because he has no particular attachment (or wants to get away from his wife, who knows), he'll go wherever pays him best. I have no problem with that. But how about Andy Pettitte for example? He took less to go with another team and he won 4 rings with us and was the original 3 yankees from the dynasty that started in 1995. He had some respect though, he didn't lie about his intentions and I believe he did thank the fans. Now back to what you were saying. About the money comment, I am for a more cost efficient team, it is a matter of honor. I am pro capitalism, but not the inefficient form steinbrenner practices. Pudge didn't exactly screw ownership. He said that they were selling people. You guys got rid of his lover, Urbina (well, they did kiss) and traded a good starter. Furthermore, he didn't get paid the money he thought he deserved (though yes, his price was too high) so he left the team he was only with one year. Pudge signed a one year deal because he was looking for a long term contract. His move didn't surprise me, so I don't see how he is screwing anyone. He told you what his opinion was and didn't lie to you or make an ass out of your team and fanship, so i believe by a wide margin roger screwed the yankees worse.
January 16, 200422 yr explain why you consider roger clemens to be a liar. do you honestly believe he was planning on pitching next year when he told everyone he was retiring? do you honestly believe his only intention was to leave the yankees for another team, so instead of outright admitting it, he pretended to retire? i don't quite follow why you would consider his actions to be dishonest. would you rather he be forced into retirement so he can retire a yankee?
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