All I see is people giving reasons for or against going to see this movie. Certain people are interpreting them as personal attacks on their faith.

I'm also of the philosophic school that believes that there is no evil.? God is all-knowing, all-loving.? There is no evil, as God is the most powerful being concievable and in order for that to be true there cannot be an evil (it makes God weaker to allow a devil and hell).

actually, god damned the devil 2 suffer in hell for all iternity. hence the existance of such a vast place. also, the bible states that the devil can only temp you 2 do something and only, AND ONLY if you have lack or no faith in god. if you have complete faith and god, then you have absolutely nothing 2 worry about for as it is god who leads the path if this is the case as for those who do not believe in him

 

may god help your lost soul

 

i pray for you That's it, I might as well go off, because frankly I don't care...

 

Get an education you idiot. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's true, hence the term "beliefs". And screw you for pissing on mine. If I want to worship Jesus, or Krishna or Mohammed, then I have the right to, this is America last time I checked. And as for Jesus, I don't buy it. Until a miracle happens to me, I probably never will.

 

And if you want to pray for me, then you go to hell. I don't need your forgiveness, what are you forgiving me for? I didn't say I believed in something outlandish. I said I believe in these principles, which by the way were stated by a Saint, which means he's higher up on God's buddy list than you ever will be (hence the term Saint, he dedicated his life to God). I've clearly state I believe in a God, but I don't believe in God in the sens that he's a Christian God and everyone else is wrong. If there's a God, it's a one unified being of pure love that has the power to create worlds and possibly destroy universes. That's my belief, take it for what it is.

 

And I'm attacking this movie because it's claiming to be "historically accurate," when "historically" there was no evidence that the Devil was around or Christ came back. None. Jesus exists, as a historical figure. Maybe he was the messiah, I don't care, I'm still not listening to him. But, it'd still be his prerogative to forgive me. Kind of makes hell useless when the son of God goes around forgiving everybody for their sins.

 

Get off your high horse, you're not Jesus. Personally, I'm offended you think I need to be forgiven. I think you need to be put in a prison for morons. Personally, I think this should now be moved to the politcal forum, and if you want to debate theology, then talk until you're blue in the face.

 

I have every right to interpret this as a personal attack on my faith, because this guy's attacking my faith that people can get educated and not act like morons. I am the living embodiment of hate right now, live with it.

I'm also of the philosophic school that believes that there is no evil.? God is all-knowing, all-loving.? There is no evil, as God is the most powerful being concievable and in order for that to be true there cannot be an evil (it makes God weaker to allow a devil and hell).

actually, god damned the devil 2 suffer in hell for all iternity. hence the existance of such a vast place. also, the bible states that the devil can only temp you 2 do something and only, AND ONLY if you have lack or no faith in god. if you have complete faith and god, then you have absolutely nothing 2 worry about for as it is god who leads the path if this is the case as for those who do not believe in him

 

may god help your lost soul

 

i pray for you I wonder if you realize that it is a Catholic belief that it does not matter which religion you are part of, as long as you live your life in a good manner then you will be in Heaven regardless of whether you believe it exists or not. Obviously whoever teaches you theology didn't do a good job. Or maybe you've never actually studied the religion you are "part of" like a real member of a religion should.

That's it, I might as well go off, because frankly I don't care...

 

Get an education you idiot. Just because you believe in something doesn't mean it's true, hence the term "beliefs". And screw you for pissing on mine. If I want to worship Jesus, or Krishna or Mohammed, then I have the right to, this is America last time I checked. And as for Jesus, I don't buy it. Until a miracle happens to me, I probably never will.

 

And if you want to pray for me, then you go to hell. I don't need your forgiveness, what are you forgiving me for? I didn't say I believed in something outlandish. I said I believe in these principles, which by the way were stated by a Saint, which means he's higher up on God's buddy list than you ever will be (hence the term Saint, he dedicated his life to God). I've clearly state I believe in a God, but I don't believe in God in the sens that he's a Christian God and everyone else is wrong. If there's a God, it's a one unified being of pure love that has the power to create worlds and possibly destroy universes. That's my belief, take it for what it is.

 

And I'm attacking this movie because it's claiming to be "historically accurate," when "historically" there was no evidence that the Devil was around or Christ came back. None. Jesus exists, as a historical figure. Maybe he was the messiah, I don't care, I'm still not listening to him. But, it'd still be his prerogative to forgive me. Kind of makes hell useless when the son of God goes around forgiving everybody for their sins.

 

Get off your high horse, you're not Jesus. Personally, I'm offended you think I need to be forgiven. I think you need to be put in a prison for morons. Personally, I think this should now be moved to the politcal forum, and if you want to debate theology, then talk until you're blue in the face.

 

I have every right to interpret this as a personal attack on my faith, because this guy's attacking my faith that people can get educated and not act like morons. I am the living embodiment of hate right now, live with it.

hey, just take it easy. no1 is here 2 offend anyone or their religion. it doesnt have 2 be "historically accurate" gibson went by what the bible says. and if you read it, it states that jesus was often tempted by the devil throughout what is known as lint season (the 40 days and nights he spent alone in the desert preparing for his death) until his death. so please, no1 here hates each other. and if you really believe in whatever it is you believe like u say you do then no1 is offended.

I wonder if you realize that it is a Catholic belief that it does not matter which religion you are part of, as long as you live your life in a good manner then you will be in Heaven regardless of whether you believe it exists or not. Obviously whoever teaches you theology didn't do a good job. Or maybe you've never actually studied the religion you are "part of" like a real member of a religion should.

yes this is true. and my god be with us all

I'm offended by your presence on this board and your murdering of the English language.

 

Also, this movie is being billed as "historically accurate," not "biblically accurate," that's the debate here.

 

May Buddha give me the patience to put up with this crap!

I'm offended by your presence on this board and your murdering of the English language.

 

Also, this movie is being billed as "historically accurate," not "biblically accurate," that's the debate here.

 

May Buddha give me the patience to put up with this crap!

Take it easy man, we are not here for insulting, just consulting. If you are offended then you are lying to yourself about your faith, therefore you are offending yourself.

 

 

(please excuse my grammar, for I am human........... brother)

And Jesus wept and all spelling errors were magically unerred!

 

Miracles, will they ever cease? I think I WILL see Passion of Christ now! ("Hallellujah" hits)

And Jesus wept and all spelling errors were magically unerred!

 

Miracles, will they ever cease? I think I WILL see Passion of Christ now! ("Hallellujah" hits)

quidate, y yo te quidare....................... god :notworthy

 

 

amen brother

chillsky woodsworth.

You "chillsky." And get my name right! I, LIKE BATMAN, WILL NOT BE DISRESPECTED!

:lol I call you somethin different everytime...woodsworth, wadsworth, brian, etc. It's all....well, it's all good.

it's all good.

watch out, furman is getting ethnic :lol

 

seriously though people are overreacting badly about this. i believe in God and Jesus (ive been called a member of a cult indirectly in this board). if you dont believe in God or jesus i think your wrong but its your problem and your belief

I dont really care whos toes I step on here. I believe in God, his Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I believe Jesus was crucified and raised again on the third day. I also believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and is one day coming back to this earth to reclaim his church. If that offends you, I'm sorry. but that's what I believe. You believe something else? Good for you.

 

Now, am I the model Christian, absolutley not. I never claimed to be. I'm just a man who tries to live right by my religions standards and falls on my face shamelessly. So I'm not trying to preach at anyone.

 

However. This topic is about a movie people. Not someones faith and or lack thereof. I distinctly recall this being in the "Entertainment" forum. Not "Theology" So can everyone please stop taking shots at each others religious beliefs or lack thereof? This is turning into an Inquisition. See the movie or dont see it. I dont care. Just quit with the freaking religious cheap shots. Please.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

it's all good.

watch out, furman is getting ethnic :lol

 

seriously though people are overreacting badly about this. i believe in God and Jesus (ive been called a member of a cult indirectly in this board). if you dont believe in God or jesus i think your wrong but its your problem and your belief ethnic...haha

I dont really care whos toes I step on here. I believe in God, his Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I believe Jesus was crucified and raised again on the third day. I also believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and is one day coming back to this earth to reclaim his church. If that offends you, I'm sorry. but that's what I believe. You believe something else? Good for you.

 

Now, am I the model Christian, absolutley not. I never claimed to be. I'm just a man who tries to live right by my religions standards and falls on my face shamelessly. So I'm not trying to preach at anyone.

 

However. This topic is about a movie people. Not someones faith and or lack thereof. I distinctly recall this being in the "Entertainment" forum. Not "Theology" So can everyone please stop taking shots at each others religious beliefs or lack thereof? This is turning into an Inquisition. See the movie or dont see it. I dont care. Just quit with the freaking religious cheap shots. Please.

I agree. Wholeheartedly. Me too.

 

The more other people bash Gibson for this movie, the more I want to see it. I think that the critics of the movie contributed highly to its hype and therefore it is only their fault if this becomes a mess...

 

 

I believe in Jesus too. This is a movie about what he went through. It is aimed specifically to the hardened hearts of those of us who have forgotten our faith and the message of love he left for us. If you are not a believer that's fine, no one is obligating you to watch the movie, just leave those who want to see it alone.

 

I don't push my beliefs on anyone. Religion is a personal choice. That's why I disagree with the way things are going lately; it is no one's right to decide what is good, moral or right for all of us.

 

This is just a movie for god's sake.

There is no evil? Interesting opinion. I'd like to see your rational on this one.

 

Oh, and insulting a person is un-Christianlike. I did no such thing. I insulted your actions (or rather your reasons behind non-action). I again ask you, what do you possibly have to lose by watching the movie? Nothing. There is no real excuse to not see it.

Is not caring a good reason not to see a movie? That's mine.

 

I don't understand why this movie HAS to be seen.

 

And to answer what I have to lose, 8.50 and 2 hours of my life. souls are at stake here. Exactly, It's just a movie. Plain and simple. I don't care what it's about, it's still just some movie that Mel Gibson had made. I tend to go to the movies to be entertained in someway, this story has zero interest to me. I already know it. I don't need to see someone get beat up for 90 minutes, unless it involves swords, karate, and a cool soundtrack. but watching the pain & suffering in long, drawn out sequences is supposed to have a deep spiritual effect on you.

 

i mean with the dramatic music and the gritty visual effects and the slo-mo torture scenes and the bullet-time beatings, you'll be changed to your very core...

 

no, no, i kid, i kid....

 

NPR had some biblical scholars on yesterday & while one of them enjoyed it, the other was very critical of how much of a torture-fest it was, and thought in Gibson's version, Pilate probably comes off a lot less responsible.

 

I agree with Big Hugg though. & Nice analysis Rampo.

 

.....did I just admit to listening to NPR?

Well, it's no surprise that I wanted this movie to do well.

 

In the first day I believe it grossed 23.6 million (Ash Wednesday).

 

Over the weekend (Take into account also alot of people will probably see the movie today, being it is a religious movie and all, and numbers for today obviously aren't in yet) the movie grossed $76,200,576. The second place movie? 50 first dates, with an amazing $12,600,000.

 

Total the movie has currently grossed $117,538,465 in it's first 4 days. I hope people continue to see it, and from what I have heard there will be people seeing it for plenty of days to come.

The times are truly becoming darker...here we come Middle Ages where we ex-communicate Galileo because he says the earth is not the center of the universe. At least I know science always triumphs over mysticism.

 

(btw the Catholic Church recognized Galileo's principles as truth in 1992)

Shamrock... You truly are overreacting. This is just a movie about Jesus. There are plenty of people like you who do not believe in him, so do not worry, we won't start a "crussade" again. In fact, this movie only makes you re-think your agressive and unkind attitude towards others and maybe, just maybe, become a better person.

 

Being religious is not a bad thing. What is bad is religious "FANATISM". I am religious, but that doesn't mean I am a fanatic that believes everyone who is not christian is the devil. I don't think that Mel Gibson's movie has anything to do with politics, so if there is anyone to blame for the excesive religious fanatism, look to the White House... BTW he is not catholic.

You people call this a religious debate? Shamrock barely said anything controversial, c'mon!

 

I might see the movie some time when I'm down in flordia if I am going to a night spring training game or I might never see it. I love works of fiction! All three Rambos are good, Red Dawn is Good, Commando is good, and Titanic is good. I don't see why so many people are getting so hung up by a movie that is pretty much a tall tale. You know, stories about guys dying and rising from the dead. Whether or not this movie vindicates the belief that the Jews are the ones deserving of all blame for no reason I cannot say, because I didn't see it. No matter how bad the movie misinterprets the obvious, people should stop pretending that it should be sensored or something.

 

If Mel Gibson's dad wasn't a nutcase, there wouldn't be half the controversy.

 

So Furman, did I hijack it?

lina if you only knew the type of family I grew up in and many southerners grew up in...if your not religious your pretty much a black sheep. So when I see this movie start to set records and I hear the pundits talk about getting back to moral values it scares me. For the minority of people who see this movie and it changes there lives in a positive way thats good for society...but it will inevitably bring about more bigotry...plus I wont get laid as much because girls want to be pious or something. its a bunch of BS!

 

I guess im mostly just talking with my johnson here...plus the social regression stuff.

You know, stories about guys dying and rising from the dead.

You mean like Elijah riding into Heaven on a firey chariot?