successful missions in the New World

 

oh the irony.

RELIGIOUS DEBATES! (puts gun to head now)

*waits for sorianofan to enter conversation*

Didnt mean to hijack the thread!!!

 

Almost all my friends at UF are Christians and all of them have tickets through various churches to see the movie. Continue with actual movie discussion.

RELIGIOUS DEBATES! (puts gun to head now)

What a secularist.

RELIGIOUS DEBATES! (puts gun to head now)

What a secularist. This IS the entertainment topic.

I'm familiar with this theory, but it isn't commonly believed in more modern times. Kind of surprising since there are so many different sects and cults of the major religions, but nonetheless the old religious philosophers have become somewhat ignored outside of the educated level.

Actually, the reason this is ignored on all levels but the so-called "educated" levels is because many, if not all, of these theories have been proven wrong on some level by modern and contemporary philosophers and linguists.

 

And when did this turn into a theological debate? Arguing for or against the existance of God and the stories in the bible is ridiculous because neither side can win because neither side has empirical evidence that God exists or these things happened or didn't happen.

 

I fail to see the insult in being called a secularist. Like that's a bad word or something...

There is no evil? Interesting opinion. I'd like to see your rational on this one.

 

Oh, and insulting a person is un-Christianlike. I did no such thing. I insulted your actions (or rather your reasons behind non-action). I again ask you, what do you possibly have to lose by watching the movie? Nothing. There is no real excuse to not see it.

Is not caring a good reason not to see a movie? That's mine.

 

I don't understand why this movie HAS to be seen.

 

And to answer what I have to lose, 8.50 and 2 hours of my life. Aren't you willing to try popular new things, BH?

 

What I love is how religious are saying to the non-believers (including me) that I should see this movie, and it will make me think (read: convert). Now, I've been through my fair share of religious works and still no church for me, but thanks for trying, guys.

 

Now, before you get all antsy, a lot of my friends are religious. Plus, I find atheists and/or agnostics to be much more insufferable than any pious folk I've come across. Today a guy called into the Michael Medved show and was all I AM AN ATHEIST EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN GOD IS DUMB and then Medved is like why don't you see the movie anyway before passing judgment and the guy was like I REFUSE TO GIVE MEL GIBSON MONEY I AM SMART I DON'T BELIEVE FAIRY TALES CHRISTIANITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WAR/PESTILENCE/POVERTY/RYAN SEACREST BLAHHHHHHH. Then he pulled out the old believing in Santa Claus = believing in Jesus. I wanted to smash his head in.

 

Had to get that off my chest. I hope it wasn't SorianoFan.

ryan seacrest?

ryan seacrest?

Yes, the form of evil spoken by the ancient Pharisees, Jerosees, and Muthamephetelees. In the ancient Yerweh tongue, Devil is pronounced Sercet, which is phonetically equivalent (in the ancient tongue, remember?) to Seacret. The S is silent, as the Yerwehs only permitted one S per word.

 

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cool, im getting an autograph :thumbup

 

yo rip you remind me of a poster from a cubs board. what other sn's you use

 

ive been wanting to watch this movie, but im not real sure i want to see the Mesiah get his brains beat in for an entire movie. if it was geraldo rivera i might feel differently

cool, im getting an autograph :thumbup

 

yo rip you remind me of a poster from a cubs board. what other sn's you use

 

ive been wanting to watch this movie, but im not real sure i want to see the Mesiah get his brains beat in for an entire movie. if it was geraldo rivera i might feel differently

hmmm, there's "MoisesGirl" and "DustyFan666". I also go by the name "Captain Jesus".

ok, so i went to see the movie last night ... i really didnt care, but a couple of my friends wanted to see it so i went. To be honest i thought it was complete crap ... the first 10 minutes were good, than an hour and half beating, and 5 minutes of an ending.... to be honest i dont need to pay to watch someone suffer, it was pointless

 

 

i give it 2 thumbs down ... ohhh too graphic too, i much rather see arms being blown out, heads exploding, fingers being chopped off and arms being snapped, than torture for 2 hours, at least the heads exploding part is entretaining, this movie had no content at ALL ... how can this movie make people convert, yes he went through that (no actual proof, but i'll give the bible the benefit of the doubt) but whatever.... i dont knwo im extremely dissapointed.

 

 

satan or evil in the movie? ... uh? ... whats? :censored

 

i was born in a Cristian house but i consider my self an aethiest, now i do find Buddhism to be an actual religion and i do have major interest in it, although i dont really follow up on that.... but whatever i do more than christianity

I came in here not having read any of the posts, and I'll let out why now.

 

I saw the movie today. My school (Belen Jesuit Prep, before any of the prayer in public school people jumps and has a heart attack) to see it at the Falls today in the morning. Don't know why we went to the Falls, being it's ways away from my school, but that is irrelevent.

 

The movie was awesome. Absolutely no complaints on my part. I think they got almost everything right. The role of the devil in the film was awesome, and the way Gibson portrayed Satan was excellent (I won't give what I mean away, because it's something you'll have to catch on to when you watch the film).

 

I thought it was interesting that Gibson chose to portray Judas as a more sympathetic character than previous movies about the subject. Judas is shown betraying Christ in one of the earliest scenes in the movie, and is showed committing suicide later. But in between Gibson showed how he had changed his mind, he wanted to give the money back to the Jews, and how demons ate at him for doing what he did. Definately not the beaten road, but a good job nonetheless.

 

I saw absolutely NO REASON for any Jewish person to complain. First off, it is history that the Jews put Jesus to death. Pontius Pilate (and the movie showed this very well in my eyes) gave the Jews every chance to let Jesus go. The Jews chose to put him to death. But I think Gibson did a good job in showing that while the majority of the Jews on the High Council wanted Jesus put to death and so did a great number of the Jewish public, he also did a great job showing that this opinion wasn't unanimoius. He showed that not every Jew wanted to go along with this, that several high ranking Jews chose to either not attend or to leave the proceedings, that some Jews tried to help Jesus. The Jews have nothing to complain about, they were shown extremely accurate. They are overreacting.

 

The movie did a good job of showing how Pilate's arms were essentially tied. It also showed that the Romans were at fault as well. Though Pilate and his second in command felt guilty because Jesus in their eyes had done nothing, other Roman soldiers taunted Jesus, laughed at him, etc. The movie accurately put blame everywhere it had to go. I commend Gibson for that.

 

I also commend Gibson for standing up to all the criticism he is getting. The movie has to be distributed independently because of Jewish descent, however he is sticking with it, and the end product was amazing. Everyone in America should see this movie, regardless of religion or lack thereof.

 

Also, one last thing. I didn't have a good impression of the movie using Aramaic and Latin when I went in and having English subtitles, but it came out simply awesome. I wouldn't have the movie any other way.

I agree with you ... but the whole movie could have a been an EXELLENT short film ... hence short film ... at the most 35-45 minutes

 

 

because the middle hour and a half was dragged out and unnecessary

I will go see this movie sometime after the furor dies down, though I am much less enthusiastic about it now than I was several weeks ago, and I will tell you why.

 

Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic. There can be no other valid explanation why he would not reject and refute the words of his father, who said that the holocaust was ?mostly, maybe not all, but mostly fiction.? I don?t care HOW MUCH you believe in honoring your father and mother, that is a wholly reprehensible concept and statement, and any child who was a DECENT PERSON would publicly reject such a statement. If that individual does not reject that statement, it means one of two things: either they believe it themselves, or they are emotionally too immature to accept the fact that their parent is capable of being wrong. Either way, it is wrong.

 

Mel Gibson?s vision is compromised and more about slick marketing than his faith (which I will get to in a moment). Initially, and what sparked my interest, he intended the movie to be in Aramaic and Latin without subtitles. Now THAT was bold. But he added subtitles for the Bible-belt, for people who apparently didn?t know the story, and now he?s moved into REALLY despicable territory, merchandising the movie like it was ?Star Wars,? or maybe ?God Wars.?

 

Mel Gibson?s faith is questionable at best and his grasp of history is highly compromised. Apparently, if one looks at earlier efforts by Mel, ?turn the other cheek? is something you do in the process of re-loading. I?m talking about ?Braveheart? (admittedly a great movie, but one that IS NOT historically accurate) and ?The Patriot? ( a s***ty movie that is even less historically accurate). Both of these flicks were rabidly anti-English, to a cartoonish extent. Now, the Romans and the Jews do to Jesus what the bloody English did to Billy and whatever that racist-rapist-Indian-killer-he-played-in-The Patriot?s name was. Having already established Mel?s anti-Semitism, for argument?s sake, let?s say he is NOT anti-Semitic. There WILL BE a wave of anti-Semitism because of this movie, because there are a lot of weak-minded people who will see the events depicted herein and rather than get a message of love and transcendence (which we are momentarily accepting as the underlying themes) they will walk away pointing the finger at ?the bad guys.? How serious this wave will be remains to be seen; people try really hard to be subtle in their hatred these days. Again, this ?love the sinner, hate the sin? nonsense.

 

The Bible is not a historical document. Certainly it is a book with some historical validity, but also some key points that are fanciful at best. You for one may believe in Immaculate Conception and Resurrection, but I do not. There are no historical or scientific bases for these ideas, and my main problem with Christianity is that for many people, if these two things were proven to be false, they would no longer be Christians because the magical foundation of their faith would be stricken. So the depiction of the crucifixion may be fairly accurate in its gore, but many people will walk away from this movie with the mistaken notion that they are seeing history on the screen. You will be seeing one version of history, and a highly contested version of history at that.

 

So, ultimately, in these days of evangelical fervor, we see good words twisted to diabolical purpose: hate and greed lurk closely behind a message of love. That Devil we see lurking in the shadows tempting Jesus is still around, and these days, he is behind a pulpit, or maybe a movie camera.

just saw the movie, and i would like 2 take this opportunity 2 say that. it has altered my view of life. and also would like 2 take this opportunity 2 appologize 2 any1 who i have offended, hurt, or disrespected.

I will go see this movie sometime after the furor dies down, though I am much less enthusiastic about it now than I was several weeks ago, and I will tell you why.

 

Mel Gibson is anti-Semitic. There can be no other valid explanation why he would not reject and refute the words of his father, who said that the holocaust was ?mostly, maybe not all, but mostly fiction.? I don?t care HOW MUCH you believe in honoring your father and mother, that is a wholly reprehensible concept and statement, and any child who was a DECENT PERSON would publicly reject such a statement. If that individual does not reject that statement, it means one of two things: either they believe it themselves, or they are emotionally too immature to accept the fact that their parent is capable of being wrong. Either way, it is wrong.

 

Mel Gibson?s vision is compromised and more about slick marketing than his faith (which I will get to in a moment). Initially, and what sparked my interest, he intended the movie to be in Aramaic and Latin without subtitles. Now THAT was bold. But he added subtitles for the Bible-belt, for people who apparently didn?t know the story, and now he?s moved into REALLY despicable territory, merchandising the movie like it was ?Star Wars,? or maybe ?God Wars.?

 

Mel Gibson?s faith is questionable at best and his grasp of history is highly compromised. Apparently, if one looks at earlier efforts by Mel, ?turn the other cheek? is something you do in the process of re-loading. I?m talking about ?Braveheart? (admittedly a great movie, but one that IS NOT historically accurate) and ?The Patriot? ( a s***ty movie that is even less historically accurate). Both of these flicks were rabidly anti-English, to a cartoonish extent. Now, the Romans and the Jews do to Jesus what the bloody English did to Billy and whatever that racist-rapist-Indian-killer-he-played-in-The Patriot?s name was. Having already established Mel?s anti-Semitism, for argument?s sake, let?s say he is NOT anti-Semitic. There WILL BE a wave of anti-Semitism because of this movie, because there are a lot of weak-minded people who will see the events depicted herein and rather than get a message of love and transcendence (which we are momentarily accepting as the underlying themes) they will walk away pointing the finger at ?the bad guys.? How serious this wave will be remains to be seen; people try really hard to be subtle in their hatred these days. Again, this ?love the sinner, hate the sin? nonsense.

 

The Bible is not a historical document. Certainly it is a book with some historical validity, but also some key points that are fanciful at best. You for one may believe in Immaculate Conception and Resurrection, but I do not. There are no historical or scientific bases for these ideas, and my main problem with Christianity is that for many people, if these two things were proven to be false, they would no longer be Christians because the magical foundation of their faith would be stricken. So the depiction of the crucifixion may be fairly accurate in its gore, but many people will walk away from this movie with the mistaken notion that they are seeing history on the screen. You will be seeing one version of history, and a highly contested version of history at that.

 

So, ultimately, in these days of evangelical fervor, we see good words twisted to diabolical purpose: hate and greed lurk closely behind a message of love. That Devil we see lurking in the shadows tempting Jesus is still around, and these days, he is behind a pulpit, or maybe a movie camera.

ramp, it really happened in history thats the thing. it isnt something u can look at and say its bull or its dumb. it happened. and thats all there is 2 it.

man, I can't wait to see it.

I'm also of the philosophic school that believes that there is no evil. God is all-knowing, all-loving. There is no evil, as God is the most powerful being concievable and in order for that to be true there cannot be an evil (it makes God weaker to allow a devil and hell).

actually, god damned the devil 2 suffer in hell for all iternity. hence the existance of such a vast place. also, the bible states that the devil can only temp you 2 do something and only, AND ONLY if you have lack or no faith in god. if you have complete faith and god, then you have absolutely nothing 2 worry about for as it is god who leads the path if this is the case

I'm also of the philosophic school that believes that there is no evil. God is all-knowing, all-loving. There is no evil, as God is the most powerful being concievable and in order for that to be true there cannot be an evil (it makes God weaker to allow a devil and hell).

actually, god damned the devil 2 suffer in hell for all iternity. hence the existance of such a vast place. also, the bible states that the devil can only temp you 2 do something and only, AND ONLY if you have lack or no faith in god. if you have complete faith and god, then you have absolutely nothing 2 worry about for as it is god who leads the path if this is the case as for those who do not believe in him

 

may god help your lost soul

 

i pray for you

After reading this whole thread, I don't really wanna see it anymore. I don't know.

I'm also of the philosophic school that believes that there is no evil.? God is all-knowing, all-loving.? There is no evil, as God is the most powerful being concievable and in order for that to be true there cannot be an evil (it makes God weaker to allow a devil and hell).

actually, god damned the devil 2 suffer in hell for all iternity. hence the existance of such a vast place. also, the bible states that the devil can only temp you 2 do something and only, AND ONLY if you have lack or no faith in god. if you have complete faith and god, then you have absolutely nothing 2 worry about for as it is god who leads the path if this is the case as for those who do not believe in him

 

may god help your lost soul

 

i pray for you I concur with MiggysLadi. Way to bring us all down, dude.

i try

 

oh wait, that wasnt meant for me

:thumbup

just saw the movie, and i would like 2 take this opportunity 2 say that. it has altered my view of life. and also would like 2 take this opportunity 2 appologize 2 any1 who i have offended, hurt, or disrespected.

Ive been trying 2 think of a joke to make fun of the excessive use of the number 2..alas I have failed...or have I?

 

 

Kick ass analysis ramp...

I dont really care whos toes I step on here. I believe in God, his Son Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. I believe Jesus was crucified and raised again on the third day. I also believe that Jesus ascended into heaven and is one day coming back to this earth to reclaim his church. If that offends you, I'm sorry. but that's what I believe. You believe something else? Good for you.

 

Now, am I the model Christian, absolutley not. I never claimed to be. I'm just a man who tries to live right by my religions standards and falls on my face shamelessly. So I'm not trying to preach at anyone.

 

However. This topic is about a movie people. Not someones faith and or lack thereof. I distinctly recall this being in the "Entertainment" forum. Not "Theology" So can everyone please stop taking shots at each others religious beliefs or lack thereof? This is turning into an Inquisition. See the movie or dont see it. I dont care. Just quit with the freaking religious cheap shots. Please.