Just for the record he had more HRs and RBIs "close and late" than god of all 1Bmen Derrek Lee in 2003. He may not be the greatest 1Bman in the game but he's no ham sandwich either.

 

Maybe Cincy wouldn't have had so many "close and late" situations, if Casey had been doing his job earlier in the game.

Trading the heart and soul of a world championship team for a professional malcontent whose body has betrayed him time and time again,

 

It's trading a guy who honestly isn't all that good for a great player who will wind up in the Hall of Fame. This guy isn't Mark McGwire with chronic back and heel problems, his injuries have come while playing and hustling. He's just had a run of bad luck. The salary situation is problematic, but Griffey would pay for a lot of his salary just by putting butts in the seats.

Just for the record he had more HRs and RBIs "close and late" than god of all 1Bmen Derrek Lee in 2003. He may not be the greatest 1Bman in the game but he's no ham sandwich either.

 

Maybe Cincy wouldn't have had so many "close and late" situations, if Casey had been doing his job earlier in the game.

lol I think we're getting way far afield of the subject at hand.

 

My comment about DLee (vs Casey) was more a shot at DLee than an endorsement of Casey. The fact is Lee was a bust close and late, and no team had more close and late chances last year than our beloved Fish who we all know never gave up and pulled victory out of the jaws of defeat night after night.

Trading the heart and soul of a world championship team for a professional malcontent whose body has betrayed him time and time again,

 

It's trading a guy who honestly isn't all that good for a great player who will wind up in the Hall of Fame. This guy isn't Mark McGwire with chronic back problems, his injuries have come while playing and hustling. He's just had a run of bad luck. The salary situation is problematic, but Griffey would pay for a lot of his salary just by putting butts in the seats.

And you don't call your view of Griffey "hero-worship"? OMG, he couldn't carry Juan Pierre's jock the last three years. Junior has about as much of chance of being a Hall of Famer as I do.

 

And who would go to see Griffey play ball in Miami? People here love Juan Pierre. He's one of the most popular players we've had in the last five years. Not only is he well-liked, he's the very symbol of the over-achieving, never say die Marlins.

 

Trading him for a bust-out like Junior would be a public relations nightmare for the Marlins that would cost them fans, not put fans in the seats.

Trading the heart and soul of a world championship team for a professional malcontent whose body has betrayed him time and time again,

 

It's trading a guy who honestly isn't all that good for a great player who will wind up in the Hall of Fame. This guy isn't Mark McGwire with chronic back problems, his injuries have come while playing and hustling. He's just had a run of bad luck. The salary situation is problematic, but Griffey would pay for a lot of his salary just by putting butts in the seats.

And you don't call your view of Griffey "hero-worship"? OMG, he couldn't carry Juan Pierre's jock the last three years. Junior has about as much of chance of being a Hall of Famer as I do.

 

And who would go to see Griffey play ball in Miami? People here love Juan Pierre. He's one of the most popular players we've had in the last five years. Not only is he well-liked, he's the very symbol of the over-achieving, never say die Marlins.

 

Trading him for a bust-out like Junior would be a public relations nightmare for the Marlins that would cost them fans, not put fans in the seats. Well said, and furthermore how can you call yourself a true Marlins fan and yet talk about trading Juan Pierre like if he means nothing to our team. Sad, just sad.

Id like to see JR in teal ... if we can do it for cheap... maybe half way through the season once AJ is back we can ship Penny, and Nannini and possibly another scrub for JR.

 

thats of course if we have an injury or something... if not than forget it.

 

actually if JR is healthy at the mid way point of the season he'll prolly be putting up sick numbers for us to trade for him.

and no on Sean Casey.... the dude has no pop, a big heart but no pop.

 

he'll be hitting 303 6hrs and 65rbis if he was to play full time at the pro .... ill take my chances with CHOP CHOP

And you don't call your view of Griffey "hero-worship"? OMG, he couldn't carry Juan Pierre's jock the last three years. Junior has about as much of chance of being a Hall of Famer as I do.

 

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read about baseball. You have to be one of the dumbest baseball fans on the planet if you honestly believe what you just wrote.

Well said, and furthermore how can you call yourself a true Marlins fan and yet talk about trading Juan Pierre like if he means nothing to our team. Sad, just sad.

 

Face facts. Juan Pierre isn't anywhere near the top 5 CFs in the game. Griffey, when healthy, is one of the top 2 or 3. That's like saying "You can't call yourself a Marlins fan if you would trade Alex Gonzalez for A-Rod." Pure idiocy.

And you don't call your view of Griffey "hero-worship"? OMG, he couldn't carry Juan Pierre's jock the last three years. Junior has about as much of chance of being a Hall of Famer as I do.

 

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read about baseball. You have to be one of the dumbest baseball fans on the planet if you honestly believe what you just wrote.

Coming from you (based on your posts) I'll take that as a compliment.

 

Thank you.

Well said, and furthermore how can you call yourself a true Marlins fan and yet talk about trading Juan Pierre like if he means nothing to our team. Sad, just sad.

 

Face facts. Juan Pierre isn't anywhere near the top 5 CFs in the game. Griffey, when healthy, is one of the top 2 or 3. That's like saying "You can't call yourself a Marlins fan if you would trade Alex Gonzalez for A-Rod." Pure idiocy. Don't make me laugh, your comparing the caliber of player Arod is now to what Griffy is now. Your choice of analogies is not very good. I think JP means more to our team (Off/Def) than Agon. Anyhow, you are totally missing the point, JP defines our team, we play with heart and speed and rely on team play. If you can't understand what JP means to our team then you are not a Marlins fan. I wa snot suggesting that JP is heads and shoulders above all Center Fielders. Wise up!

Marlins2003,

 

Casey has been pretty bad the past couple of years.

 

If the front office was really concerned about signing the staff to below market deals, they should have been trying to sign Beckett to a long term deal this past summer. They're going to screw around and have Beckett asking for a really large contract the longer they remain inactive (think Pujols).

 

I wrote "hippie" the second time. I only made the typo once.

 

 

You keep mentioning his salary. The whole point of this thread contained the condition that Cinci picked up the majority of his deal.

 

 

Fish Fry,

 

There is no way I'd trade Pierre. Griffey can move to LF or RF. Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line. How much crack do you use every day? lol

Don't make me laugh, your comparing the caliber of player Arod is now to what Griffy is now. Your choice of analogies is not very good. I think JP means more to our team (Off/Def) than Agon. Anyhow, you are totally missing the point, JP defines our team, we play with heart and speed and rely on team play. If you can't understand what JP means to our team then you are not a Marlins fan. I wa snot suggesting that JP is heads and shoulders above all Center Fielders. Wise up!

 

Griffey is still a good player. When he's healthy, he produces and is one of the best CFs in the game. You can't argue with his OBP and SLG numbers. If Griffey's bat would make the need for speed irrelevant. JP needs his speed just to be a decent offensive CF. Without it, he sucks. Don't give me this rah-rah crap about the team losing it's "heart" without JP. The Marlins can survive without him.

There is no way I'd trade Pierre. Griffey can move to LF or RF. Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line. How much crack do you use every day? lol

 

2 out of the last 4 years, Griffey has had better zone ratings than Pierre in CF. They're about equally as good at covering ground. Keeping Pierre would, in essence, trade Griffey's bat for Conine's bat in LF, which isn't anywhere near the offensive boost of trading Griffey's bat for Pierre's bat in CF.

 

As for me using crack. I don't touch the stuff. When was the last time you had your ears cleaned?

I'm not here to defend Sean Casey, frankly I could care less who plays 1B for Cincy, and this thread has gone far, far afield, but if you look at this numbers since 1999 when he became an everyday player they've been adequate. He was injured in 2002 and missed a slug of games but aside from that he's put up reasonably good numbers. Of course you want more of slugger from your 1Bman and that's not him, so in a way I agree, and to go a step further the Marlins wouldn't want him anyways because of his salary, so he's tangental to this argument.

 

As for hippy/hippie, it was meant as a joke (I should have put a (j/k) or something next to it) I was just making fun of MY OWN age not what you wrote. And yes I did go to Woodstock.

 

The idea that Cincy would pony up enough funds to make it attractive for the Fish to take Griffey and his myriad on and off the field problems off their hands is a real stretch. Even if Cincy paid $30 million of the $55-60 mil Junior is owed the Marlins would be in the same boat they were in when they had Wilson and Johnson pulling the team down financially. They just don't have the $$$. The Marlins cannot afford to guarantee that amount of money to any everyday player, especially one who is chronically injured.

 

You don't see a whole lot of interest in Griffey from other teams for a reason. He just isn't worth the money owed him, in fact he isn't worth half of what he's owed.

There is no way I'd trade Pierre. Griffey can move to LF or RF. Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line. How much crack do you use every day? lol

 

2 out of the last 4 years, Griffey has had better zone ratings than Pierre in CF. They're about equally as good at covering ground. Keeping Pierre would, in essence, trade Griffey's bat for Conine's bat in LF, which isn't anywhere near the offensive boost of trading Griffey's bat for Pierre's bat in CF.

 

As for me using crack. I don't touch the stuff. When was the last time you had your ears cleaned? Hmm, so that would mean they are 2 to 2, correct? You do realize Pierre is MUCH younger and wasn't even a full-time CF for some of his stay in Colorado, don't you? Pierre has a weak arm, but he can cover as much ground in CF as any player in baseball. I'd put him in the top 3 coverage CFers with Jones and Hunter. Beltran can cover a lot as well.

 

I'd take Pierre over Griffey any day when you factor in each player's contract. Now if we were ignoring cost and I had to choose, I don't know who I'd take. If Griffey is guaranteed to be healthy all year, it is a no brainer to pick Griffey. But once you factor in injury risk, I'll take Pierre.

 

I'll take Pierre's bat over Conine's. Pierre spreads the opponent's defense, Conine does not. When Pierre is on base, it puts a lot of pressure on the pitcher and helps to create bad pitches that our other hitter's can capitalize on.

 

 

 

As for my ears, I cleaned them out this past weekend. Q-tips are a great invention. :thumbup

There is no way I'd trade Pierre. Griffey can move to LF or RF. Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line. How much crack do you use every day? lol

 

2 out of the last 4 years, Griffey has had better zone ratings than Pierre in CF. They're about equally as good at covering ground. Keeping Pierre would, in essence, trade Griffey's bat for Conine's bat in LF, which isn't anywhere near the offensive boost of trading Griffey's bat for Pierre's bat in CF.

 

As for me using crack. I don't touch the stuff. When was the last time you had your ears cleaned?

 

Just wondering how Junior will injure himself this year? Let me count the ways...

 

Anyone know what the over/under is on Junior playing less games this year than last (53)? There must be a line in Vegas on it. :mischief2

 

God this hero-worshipping is laughable.

2003,

 

I figured the hippie thing was a joke.

 

And I'm so jealous you were at Woodstock!

 

"I'm not here to defend Sean Casey, frankly I could care less who plays 1B for Cincy, and this thread has gone far, far afield, but if you look at this numbers since 1999 when he became an everyday player they've been adequate."

 

I think you mean you could NOT care less. Sorry, I had to even the score after my hippy mistake.

As for Casey, I still think he sucks. We can both agree neither of us want him. I was hoping the Marlins would deal someone to the Twins and get my boy Doug M to play first for us. He is built perfectly for our team and park. Plus, it helps that he was willing to sign a pretty small contract this summer. Sigh, I wish we could have gotten Doug...

 

 

 

"The idea that Cincy would pony up enough funds to make it attractive for the Fish to take Griffey and his myriad on and off the field problems off their hands is a real stretch."

 

I don't think it is. Cinci needs prospects and decent players to help them out. They aren't going anywhere right now with Griffey. Since they'd incur the cost anyway, they'd be better off paying most of it and getting prospects in return to build their team for the future. They're fighting for 4th in that division as it is right now.

 

"They just don't have the $$$. The Marlins cannot afford to guarantee that amount of money to any everyday player, especially one who is chronically injured."

 

They were willing to give Pudge 7-8 million. If they could get it down to about 5 million a year for a star player (I still consider him a box office draw) for the next 5 years, I think they'd do it. The investment could help show the area they are truly serious about building a constant winner. I don't live in S. FL., but from afar, I still get the impression the area still isn't sold that the Marlins' ownership is serious about the future.

 

"You don't see a whole lot of interest in Griffey from other teams for a reason. He just isn't worth the money owed him, in fact he isn't worth half of what he's owed."

 

You are correct about the second part. But he is worth a 25 million for the next 5 years.

Even if Cincy paid $30 million of the $55-60 mil Junior is owed the Marlins would be in the same boat they were in when they had Wilson and Johnson pulling the team down financially. They just don't have the $$$. The Marlins cannot afford to guarantee that amount of money to any everyday player, especially one who is chronically injured.

 

You don't see a whole lot of interest in Griffey from other teams for a reason. He just isn't worth the money owed him, in fact he isn't worth half of what he's owed.

 

Griffey's injuries are not chronic. That's like saying someone who gets shot in the leg, makes a full recovery, and then gets sideswiped in a car wreck, makes a full recovery, and then gets struck by lightning has chronically bad health. As for Wilson and Johnson pulling the team down, the Marlins paid the same amount of money last year that they would've had to pay to keep Wilson and Johnson on the team. Financially, they weren't dragging the team down, because the money was the same, and it's nearly the same this year, too.

 

I don't know what you consider to be a "lack of interest", but if it wasn't for Phil Nevin, Griffey would be a Padre right now, and Griffey could likely end up back in Seattle pretty soon.

Anyone know what the over/under is on Junior playing less games this year than last (53)? There must be a line in Vegas on it. :mischief2

 

God this hero-worshipping is laughable.

 

I don't consider Griffey to be a hero, I just consider you to be an idiot.

There is no way I'd trade Pierre.? Griffey can move to LF or RF.? Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line.? How much crack do you use every day? lol

 

2 out of the last 4 years, Griffey has had better zone ratings than Pierre in CF. They're about equally as good at covering ground. Keeping Pierre would, in essence, trade Griffey's bat for Conine's bat in LF, which isn't anywhere near the offensive boost of trading Griffey's bat for Pierre's bat in CF.

 

As for me using crack. I don't touch the stuff. When was the last time you had your ears cleaned?

 

Just wondering how Junior will injure himself this year? Let me count the ways...

 

Anyone know what the over/under is on Junior playing less games this year than last (53)? There must be a line in Vegas on it. :mischief2

 

God this hero-worshipping is laughable. Why do you keep calling the fact someone that wants to take a risk on Griffey "hero-worshipping?"

 

he?ro-wor?ship (h?r-w?rshp)

tr.v. he?ro-wor?shiped, or he?ro-wor?shipped he?ro-wor?ship?ing, or he?ro-wor?ship?ping he?ro-wor?ships or he?ro-wor?ships

To revere as an ideal.

To adulate.

 

Trust me, I don't consider Griffey a model of perfection and I do not admire him to excess. I don't even like the guy. I've stated that before. Next thing you know I will compliment Bonds and you'll call it hero-worshipping. And trust me, I freakin' hate Bonds and hope he never hits another HR. Of course, if the Marlins had a chance to get him at a cheap cost, I'd be all for it to help us win another championship.

 

If you want to keep mentioning hero-worshipping in regard to Griffey, please keep those comments to Fish Fry. Griffey will never make my list of favorite players.

Just to add something to the INJURY discussion. The term for Griffy is "Prone", that is he is Prone to Injury. Meaning he has become to fragile, he gets injured too easily, it's a risk to take him on at this point. IMHO

There is no way I'd trade Pierre.? Griffey can move to LF or RF.? Pierre can cover more ground than Griffey and even I am too afraid of Griffey potentially getting injured to trade away Pierre.

 

And I just saw your sig line.? How much crack do you use every day? lol

 

2 out of the last 4 years, Griffey has had better zone ratings than Pierre in CF. They're about equally as good at covering ground. Keeping Pierre would, in essence, trade Griffey's bat for Conine's bat in LF, which isn't anywhere near the offensive boost of trading Griffey's bat for Pierre's bat in CF.

 

As for me using crack. I don't touch the stuff. When was the last time you had your ears cleaned?

 

Just wondering how Junior will injure himself this year? Let me count the ways...

 

Anyone know what the over/under is on Junior playing less games this year than last (53)? There must be a line in Vegas on it. :mischief2

 

God this hero-worshipping is laughable. Why do you keep calling the fact someone that wants to take a risk on Griffey "hero-worshipping?"

 

he?ro-wor?ship (h?r-w?rshp)

tr.v. he?ro-wor?shiped, or he?ro-wor?shipped he?ro-wor?ship?ing, or he?ro-wor?ship?ping he?ro-wor?ships or he?ro-wor?ships

To revere as an ideal.

To adulate.

 

Trust me, I don't consider Griffey a model of perfection and I do not admire him to excess. I don't even like the guy. I've stated that before. Next thing you know I will compliment Bonds and you'll call it hero-worshipping. And trust me, I freakin' hate Bonds and hope he never hits another HR. Of course, if the Marlins had a chance to get him at a cheap cost, I'd be all for it to help us win another championship.

 

If you want to keep mentioning hero-worshipping in regard to Griffey, please keep those comments to Fish Fry. Griffey will never make my list of favorite players.

NirvanaNole, I have no argument with you, I wasn't suggesting you are the one guilty of hero worship. You posed a legitimate question which you yourself suggested was kind of a wild, out there kinda trade, that's fine.

get off this damn argument and post the next prospect!

Trading the heart and soul of a world championship team for a professional malcontent whose body has betrayed him time and time again,

 

It's trading a guy who honestly isn't all that good for a great player who will wind up in the Hall of Fame. This guy isn't Mark McGwire with chronic back and heel problems, his injuries have come while playing and hustling. He's just had a run of bad luck. The salary situation is problematic, but Griffey would pay for a lot of his salary just by putting butts in the seats. I think the days of Griffey putting up Hall-of-Fame like numbers are over. But hey, that's just me.