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Okay, this is for a worst case scenario (I'm bored). If Choi doesn't turn the corner and become a solid offensive power bat, and Gonzo hits like the last season's second half instead of the first half, we'll need offense if we want any chance to go to the playoffs and repeat.

 

Now hear me out before laughing, what about Ken Griffey Jr.? I've never been a big fan of him, and I know he keeps getting hurt, but his potential intrigues me. If we could do a similar deal the Yanks did for ARod and get Cinci to pick up a lot of Griff's money, perhaps we could trade Choi, Oliver (assuming he is the one that loses his job when AJ comes back) and some prospects to Cinci for him. Or we could ship them Hampton's contract we owe and money for any years his contracts runs after these next two seasons.

 

I've always believed a person's mood affects how their body performs and gets injured (for the record, I'm not an odd hippy ;) ). I think part of Griff's physical problem is because he is so miserable there. I'm sure he'd love to leave there and his family lives in Orlando. Perhaps he'd even rework his deal. Imagine having him in left, Pierre in center, and Cabera in right. Then we could shift Conine to first with Cordero until Stocks (sp?) is ready for the majors. We'd add a left handed power bat to hit clean up behind Cabera, and Lowell would certainly provide ample coverage for Griff.

 

If Cinci would do it, and we could work out the financial aspects, I think Griff is worth a gamble for about 5 million a year.

 

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I'm not hating on Choi. He seems like a nice guy and I hope he turns into an All Star. However, I'd take that deal right now if we could make it happen. I believe Griffey is going to turn back into a stud once he finally gets out of Cinci. I'd like to see us go after him and try to steal him away from Cinci. Griffey was showing signs of his old self before his last injury. IMO, he'd be great in our lineup and with our club house atmosphere.

 

But anyway, you never commented on how you felt about my desire to trade for Griffey if Cinci takes on a large portion of his remaining contract.

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I'm not hating on Choi.? He seems like a nice guy and I hope he turns into an All Star.? However, I'd take that deal right now if we could make it happen.? I believe Griffey is going to turn back into a stud once he finally gets out of Cinci.? I'd like to see us go after him and try to steal him away from Cinci.? Griffey was showing signs of his old self before his last injury.? IMO, he'd be great in our lineup and with our club house atmosphere.

 

But anyway, you never commented on how you felt about my desire to trade for Griffey if Cinci takes on a large portion of his remaining contract.

I agree with DurableTear, I mean I feel sorry for Choi now. Everyone is going to be so quick to jump on him for anything. I mean the guy hasn't played in a single (regular season) game yet and I already ehar some Boo's. You know Lee was never the model Batter, didn't he lead the team in strikeouts last season? Choi doesn't have to come in and be an all-star all he has to do is come in and provide some clutch hitting. That's what's important. Give him the benefit of the doubt and stop hating. Everyone around here is so damn negative, the minute a player has a bad day(s) it's DOOOM. jeeez.

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As an old hippie, let me tell you what's wrong with your idea.

 

It's called hero-worship. Griffey has not been productive in years, he a "name" and nothing more. Griffey has no trade value, Cincy will have to cut him to get rid of him, ala Damion Easley, no one is going to give anything for the guy nor is any team going to take his contract.

 

Forget it.

 

As for Choi not turning the corner, sheesh, it's only five games into spring training. The Marlins have so many options at first it's almost comical. Conine, Cordero and even Cabs (who is taking balls this spring at first), besides Banks as a backup. The last thing we need is Junior and his legion of problems.

 

Cincy would take a ham sandwich to get rid of Junior, the Marlins don't need to trade a Choi and an Oliver for him. Plus they already have Sean Casey at first, what the heck would they want Choi for?

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There is also no way that Griffey would come here and expect not to play centerfield. Granted, he does want out of Cincy, but he'll go somewhere where he is guarenteed a CF job (Seattle, etc.). Unless Pierre would move to LF, this would not happen. Nor do I want to see Griffey here; no one knows if he is healthy enough to return to the form of old.

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You guys are talking about how Griffey is just a name and is injury prone but wasnt Pudge in the same situation last year, nobody wanted him because he was getting older and missed the last few seasons with injuries. But even though he is still a scumbag for leaving look what he was able to do with the Marlins he stayed healthy all season and was able to put up numbers that reminded everyone of his old self.

Just a thought.

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You guys are talking about how Griffey is just a name and is injury prone but wasnt Pudge in the same situation last year, nobody wanted him because he was getting older and missed the last few seasons with injuries. But even though he is still a scumbag for leaving look what he was able to do with the Marlins he stayed healthy all season and was able to put up numbers that reminded everyone of his old self.

Just a thought.

The difference there was we really had nothing to lose (besides the money in his contract). Getting Griffey would mean a multi-year contract and giving up some guys. Big Difference.

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I've always believed a person's mood affects how their body performs and gets injured (for the record, I'm not an odd hippy ;) ). I think part of Griff's physical problem is because he is so miserable there.

wow, that's a new one....

 

 

you odd hippy. :mischief

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Cincy would give us Griffey for Choi, pay half of Griffy's contract and would throw in a lifetime supply of Skyline Chili and all the Hudipol we could stomach. Also, a personal thank you note from the Cincinnati ownership would be hand delievered to every Marlins season ticket holder. :lol

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Good lord. I stated I'm not ripping Choi. Did some of yall read both of my posts?

 

Also, if anyone is booing Choi at spring training and that person is a Marlins fan, the other fans around him should kick his/her ass.

 

 

 

Griffey has 5 years and 66 million left on his deal. Ship Cinci the contracts we are still paying off for Hampton and Pudge. That is about $16 or $17 million for Hampton (not sure) and approximately $7 million for Pudge. The major turning point of the deal was having Cinci kick in more money to offset his contract in return for prospects and a couple of players we really don't need this year that are currently on our roster. Cinci is rebuilding and I think they'd do it. It would require getting Griffey's contract to around the $5 million a year. Adding in the other contracts exchanging hand, and it would end up about $4 million a year subtracting Choi's/Oliver's contracts.

 

Also, I think Griffey would switch positions in a second to come to a winner that is only a couple of hours from his home. If ARod is willing to switch to 3rd for a lesser defensive SS, I don't know why everyone assumes Griffey wouldn't switch to a position with less stress on his body.

 

 

 

Marlins2003,

 

I wouldn't consider it "hero-worshipping." As I stated above, I've never been a Griffey fan even when he was the best player in the game. He was hitting MUCH better than Pudge last year before his injury. Read bman's post for more on this point.

 

Also, Cinci has tried to trade Casey a couple of times. He sucks and no one wants him.

 

bman,

 

Great post! I was thinking the same thing when I initially posted the idea. Most people going into last year thought Pudge was washed up and that Pavano would always get injured and never turn into a good starter. Well, they did all right last year.

 

Clapinski,

 

Read my other posts. My whole scenario relied on having Cinci picking up the majority of his contract to decrease the risk. Basically, we'd need to get it down to a 5 year $25 million dollar contract in my mind (or if we keep Hampton's and Pudge's contracts, have Cinci offset that with paying more of Griff's contract). We are already paying Hampton more than any of our own players. Shipping his bad debt and Pudge's to Cinci would allow the contract to be offset somewhat.

 

Hotcorner,

 

I'm a hard rocker, not a hippie. :hat

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Casey is a career .300 hitter with pop, the reason Cincy might want to trade him is have what we have - payroll flexibility, not because of his bat. Besides, I don't believe you can trade debt (Hampton/Pudge).

 

The last thing this team (the Marlins) wants to do between now and the end of the 2005 season is acquire long term, high-priced talent. When that $11 mil +/- owed falls off the balance sheet, it will be just in time to sign Beckett, Burnett (hopefully), Penny and The Kid to longterm contracts. There's nothing in it for the Marlins to take on Griffey's outrageous contract, absolutely nothing.

 

And for the the record, it's "hippie" (as in "yippie") not "hippy" :hat

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As an old hippie, let me tell you what's wrong with your idea.

 

It's called hero-worship. Griffey has not been productive in years, he a "name" and nothing more. Griffey has no trade value, Cincy will have to cut him to get rid of him, ala Damion Easley, no one is going to give anything for the guy nor is any team going to take his contract.

 

I don't know what you consider "productive" but Griffey had a .370 OBP and a .566 SLG last year. With the exception of 2002, when he hasn't been hit with one freakish injury or another, Griffey has been quite good in Cincy. If the Marlins could trade Juan Pierre straight-up for Griffey, the Marlins should do it in a heartbeat. If they can make the trade contingent on him waiving his right to demand a trade at the end of the season, the guy's contract is a bargain.

 

Griffey shouldn't have to switch positions, because there's nothing wrong with him. Since he's joined the NL, his CF zone ratings have been as good or better than Andruw Jones'.

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Casey is a career .300 hitter with pop,

 

Casey's a career .300 hitter who has no pop for a 1B. The guy hasn't slugged over .470 for the past 3 years, and he's had the benefit of playing half his games in good hitters parks. If Cincy could get rid of Casey, they would, but who's going to pay $6 million for a 1B with no power?

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Trading the heart and soul of a world championship team for a professional malcontent whose body has betrayed him time and time again, not to mention figuring out how to pay the roughly $9 million difference in their salaries makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

Griffey's numbers last year were based on a whopping 53 games. The year before 60. In 2001 he played in all of 111 games. I don't see any justification to pay this bum $10-11 million a year with all his problems on the field and off. He's not a team player, he's out for himself.

 

He's the antithesis of what the Marlins look for in a ballplayer, over-priced, under-motivated and in ill-health. Maybe you'd like Cliff Floyd back too?

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Casey is a career .300 hitter with pop,

 

Casey's a career .300 hitter who has no pop for a 1B. The guy hasn't slugged over .470 for the past 3 years, and he's had the benefit of playing half his games in good hitters parks. If Cincy could get rid of Casey, they would, but who's going to pay $6 million for a 1B with no power?

Just for the record he had more HRs and RBIs "close and late" than god of all 1Bmen Derrek Lee in 2003. He may not be the greatest 1Bman in the game but he's no ham sandwich either.

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