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damn...K'ing 6 of 9 attempts against a 2003 Cy Young candidate? horrors! only a so called Marlin fan would argue that Gonzo is better than Pierre. Pierre proven .300 hitter and a clutch hitter. Gonzo has 3 hits and when the game is on the line he strikes out with a meek swing. Pierre with two outs and the game on the line singles off the great Gagne. Typical of so called Marlins fans, Gonzo had the better game. Unreal.

umm k...so Pierre looked good against Gagne. Point? I mean, 1 AB doesnt mean Gonzo hit terrible. He asked who looked good and I said Pierre, and I was correct thank you. FYI, Gonzo has struck out 6 times in his 9 ABs vs. Gagne. So let's not act like Gonzo is doing anything right just yet. Let him hit over .200 for more than a day or so because we say he is the next Ernie Banks.

umm k...so Pierre looked good against Gagne. Point? I mean, 1 AB doesnt mean Gonzo hit terrible. He asked who looked good and I said Pierre, and I was correct thank you.

Pierre looked good against Gagne. He swung at the first pitch and guessed right. Doesn't mean he looked good vs him. Pierre got a hit. You can't argue both sides of your mouth. When Gonzo shows a bit more and actually delivers when it matters, we'll give some credit. Don't discount Pierre, who had three more hits yesterday. You asked who looked good off Gagne, I correctly answered. Then you dispute it. FYI, Pierre is 5X20 lifetime vs. Gagne, .250 average. Gonzo is 0X9. And get this, Wil Cordero is 4X6 vs. the great Gagne. And Brad Penny is 2X2 with a triple vs. Gagne. Just informing the board.

Pierre looked good against Gagne. He swung at the first pitch and guessed right. Doesn't mean he looked good vs him. Pierre got a hit. You can't argue both sides of your mouth. When Gonzo shows a bit more and actually delivers when it matters, we'll give some credit. Don't discount Pierre, who had three more hits yesterday. You asked who looked good off Gagne, I correctly answered. Then you dispute it.

Choi is a better defender Thank You and Cordero is a far better hitter against lefties than Choi. Thank you.

Gonzo sure looked good vs. Gagne Is there anyone that looks good vs Gagne in MLB? There's a reason the guy is perfect in his last 71 save chances. I know you like to look at the negative end of everything but come on, give credit where credit is due. Pierre looked good against Gagne.

In a game that doesn't have too many things to crow about, it sure was nice to see Alex start the game with two lead-off doubles and finish 3 for 5. He showed much better patience at the plate. Let's hope he keeps it going. Gonzo sure looked good vs. Gagne

2X21 says all you need to know. And yes, Choi had a fluke opposite field homer in Coors. BIG DEAL. I think Cordero should play some but I think Choi should be given some chances against LHPs too. 21 at-bats is hardly a large enough sample to judge a guys worth. that's the equivilant to 5 or 6 games which a guy can realistically have anywhere from 2 to 12 hits in any given 21 at-bat stretch. so this is exactly what the Marlins need, another learning process. Let Choi fail in 50 ABs vs. lefties so he can snap out of it by August. By then, Castro will have raised his average to .185. Gonzo will be hitting a stout .190. and Choi will be powering the way with a .220 average. Is this team competing for the playoffs to rebuilding for next year? You can't have it both ways. To win now, you can't groom Choi along slowly. There is a reason he doesn't face lefties. Because he can't hit them. How about you address Cordero's defense? Who is better at 1st? platoon aren't about defense. Choi is a better defender. So what's your point? You saying Choi's 0X4 games vs. lefties is going to be better because he is better than Cordero defensively? Well, Abe Nunez is better defensively in right field than Cabrera. So lets start Nunez in right? Is that your brilliant comeback because you think there are 12 games in his homestand? You are losing credibilty with every post.

Give the kid a break he still has time to get over this problem. The kid was holding out for a huge contract last year. The Marlins went way above the average signing bonus to get him. They were banking on him. Now he is a complete bust. Missed a month of spring and then goes AWOL. A wasted pick. Let him get over his problems somewhere else. The next Steve Howe

Oh, I'm not cheering about anything, but if I didn't know any better while reading this board, I would think this team is 9-17 right now instead of 15-11.? By all accounts, the team has been terrible for the last four games, but it's been more-or-less one play away from winning each of them...makes me believe if this team plays a little better than terrible (or better), then they'll be in good shape. yes it is better than 9-17. brilliant point. This is the defending champs and thus far they've shown they are ready to fall back to the mediocre Marlins of '02 and before. If your sights are set on winning a title, then they aren't showing they are in that class. If your sights are set on being better than 9-17 then yes, they are better than that. Personally, this team looks very average right now. They seem no better than a .500 club, if that good. Their weaknesses are now being exploited. Wayne is a one inning guy at best. The second time through the lineup, teams light him up. Benitez will be left to carry a heavy burdeon and he will likely tire. The bottom of the order is brutal. Choi only hits home runs. Castro can't hit anything. Gonzo is playing his way to 3A. Conine only hit in Colorado. There is nothing here to frighten anyone. The Phillies got through a rough spell and they are so primed to pass the Marlins. I see last Friday's 9-2 blown lead turned loss as the turning point to this year. Just as Dontrelle helped carry the team early last year, his terrible showing in San Francisco is the turning point to the collapse. That's the trend I see happening. Not some miracle reversal ready to happen. This club is average right now. You forgot to mention your boy Oliver and his 8.54 ERA :thumbdown He has pitched only 4 innings in his last 2 apperances, making our bullpen extremerely oversued. If you had your wish and Redman resigned for 3.9 mil, you could have said bye bye bye to Penny and Pavano. Make a point. Is this team better than .500 or not? Follow the argument instead of changing the subject. Oliver for the money is much better than Redman, and I might add, they both are 2-1. I'll also add the Burnett will replace Oliver, just as he would have replaced Redman if rag arm Redman wasn't traded. Nice pitching by Redman in the World Series. 3-0 meatball to Matsui with two on. Then Red justifies that he was amazed that Matsui was swinging at 3-0. And let's remember Red serving up fresh meat to that power hitting Kerry Wood in Game 7. And Red again making sure Moises Alou found Waveland Ave. So you can stop your hero worshipping of Redman. Burnett replaces a two month starter which is all Oliver is. and all Redman should be. At this point, this team isn't even playing .500 ball. But, I'm not ready to throw the towell, we have recovered before from worst situations. I say we go 4-6 on this home stand. Brilliant to make a 4-6 prediction for a 6 game homestand ok, I'll say we go 8-4 on the next 12 can't wait to talk to you then, Einstein.

2X21 says all you need to know. And yes, Choi had a fluke opposite field homer in Coors. BIG DEAL. I think Cordero should play some but I think Choi should be given some chances against LHPs too. 21 at-bats is hardly a large enough sample to judge a guys worth. that's the equivilant to 5 or 6 games which a guy can realistically have anywhere from 2 to 12 hits in any given 21 at-bat stretch. so this is exactly what the Marlins need, another learning process. Let Choi fail in 50 ABs vs. lefties so he can snap out of it by August. By then, Castro will have raised his average to .185. Gonzo will be hitting a stout .190. and Choi will be powering the way with a .220 average. Is this team competing for the playoffs to rebuilding for next year? You can't have it both ways. To win now, you can't groom Choi along slowly. There is a reason he doesn't face lefties. Because he can't hit them.

:confused here we go. Get counseling, intervention, whatever, just get your life on track Jeff... Allison=crackhead

Bring up Hutchinson and/or Borland, get Riedling ...pen problem solved. Borland solves the pen problems?

Oh, I'm not cheering about anything, but if I didn't know any better while reading this board, I would think this team is 9-17 right now instead of 15-11.? By all accounts, the team has been terrible for the last four games, but it's been more-or-less one play away from winning each of them...makes me believe if this team plays a little better than terrible (or better), then they'll be in good shape. yes it is better than 9-17. brilliant point. This is the defending champs and thus far they've shown they are ready to fall back to the mediocre Marlins of '02 and before. If your sights are set on winning a title, then they aren't showing they are in that class. If your sights are set on being better than 9-17 then yes, they are better than that. Personally, this team looks very average right now. They seem no better than a .500 club, if that good. Their weaknesses are now being exploited. Wayne is a one inning guy at best. The second time through the lineup, teams light him up. Benitez will be left to carry a heavy burdeon and he will likely tire. The bottom of the order is brutal. Choi only hits home runs. Castro can't hit anything. Gonzo is playing his way to 3A. Conine only hit in Colorado. There is nothing here to frighten anyone. The Phillies got through a rough spell and they are so primed to pass the Marlins. I see last Friday's 9-2 blown lead turned loss as the turning point to this year. Just as Dontrelle helped carry the team early last year, his terrible showing in San Francisco is the turning point to the collapse. That's the trend I see happening. Not some miracle reversal ready to happen. This club is average right now. You forgot to mention your boy Oliver and his 8.54 ERA :thumbdown He has pitched only 4 innings in his last 2 apperances, making our bullpen extremerely oversued. If you had your wish and Redman resigned for 3.9 mil, you could have said bye bye bye to Penny and Pavano. Make a point. Is this team better than .500 or not? Follow the argument instead of changing the subject. Oliver for the money is much better than Redman, and I might add, they both are 2-1. I'll also add the Burnett will replace Oliver, just as he would have replaced Redman if rag arm Redman wasn't traded. Nice pitching by Redman in the World Series. 3-0 meatball to Matsui with two on. Then Red justifies that he was amazed that Matsui was swinging at 3-0. And let's remember Red serving up fresh meat to that power hitting Kerry Wood in Game 7. And Red again making sure Moises Alou found Waveland Ave. So you can stop your hero worshipping of Redman. Burnett replaces a two month starter which is all Oliver is. and all Redman should be. At this point, this team isn't even playing .500 ball. But, I'm not ready to throw the towell, we have recovered before from worst situations. I say we go 4-6 on this home stand. Brilliant to make a 4-6 prediction for a 6 game homestand

The Cubs come here in September, will we get Prior or Wood? haha . I'm just trying to look ahead and guess the days, because i've got the 41 game flex plan and can swap out tickets 48 hours in advance if I need to. So if anyone is wondering why I made this thread, that's why . I hope we don't face Jason Scmidt in the first game of the playoffs. I think Derek Lowe will start the first game of the World Series. Looks like Burnett will face Schilling in the second game of the WS. And I see Clemens vs. Pedro to start the All-Star Game.

This team is .500 at best. Now a major trade could change things. Then you should be thrilled that they are over .500 now. The team's core is perfectly fine on defense (as long as Jack is playing those guys) and some of the mistakes made in the field lately could be categorized as fluky at best, not a sign of more bad defense to come. Lowell and Pierre look to be better hitters than they've been in the past. Guys like Choi and Cabrera are still very young and very inexperienced...but also extremely talented. They'll have their ups and downs...that's to be expected. The rest of the offense is streaky, but that is no surprise to anyone. Castro and Sea Bass can't get any worse and Castillo has struggled but you'd have to think that they'll all have better times than they've had early on. The bullpen was shaky coming into the year, everyone knew that...they probably played a bit over their heads early, but I think they've been underachieving recently due to overwork and an abrupt change in roles due to Fox's injury. They should be expected to be somewhere between those two points which can be enough to win alot of games. I'm not thrilled to have lost four straight. Project this out by the weekend. What record you predicting the Marlins to have? Show some guts now. They go 2-4 on this homestand, at best. Then they go 2-4 at Houston and St. Louis. That's my prediction. Let's see how smart you turn out to be. Make a prediction over what they will do in the next eight games. The bottom is falling out. Is your name Fish Fillet? I mean, he was a major pessimist, and me and many others optimism proved him wrong time and time again... Predict what their record will be in the 6-home games and 6-road games. I'm on record saying 4-8. Make a prediction and we'll compare notes in two weeks.

He has shown power but little else except an occasional walk. The occasional walk? His OBP is higher than any of our other big bats have(over .400). He's the next Jim Thome IMO; Homer, Walk, K. That's it, that's all. As I said, Choi has 18 hits, 9 are HRs. That's exactly correct. So he has a few walks, and now you say he's almost as good as Thome. And you say I lose credibility. To ever mention Choi and Thome in the same breath is all I need to hear from you to prove how totally clueless you are. Choi is a platoon player. Jack will not give up on Cordero and play Choi vs. lefties. 2X21 says all you need to know. And yes, Choi had a fluke opposite field homer in Coors. BIG DEAL.

This team is .500 at best. Now a major trade could change things. Then you should be thrilled that they are over .500 now. The team's core is perfectly fine on defense (as long as Jack is playing those guys) and some of the mistakes made in the field lately could be categorized as fluky at best, not a sign of more bad defense to come. Lowell and Pierre look to be better hitters than they've been in the past. Guys like Choi and Cabrera are still very young and very inexperienced...but also extremely talented. They'll have their ups and downs...that's to be expected. The rest of the offense is streaky, but that is no surprise to anyone. Castro and Sea Bass can't get any worse and Castillo has struggled but you'd have to think that they'll all have better times than they've had early on. The bullpen was shaky coming into the year, everyone knew that...they probably played a bit over their heads early, but I think they've been underachieving recently due to overwork and an abrupt change in roles due to Fox's injury. They should be expected to be somewhere between those two points which can be enough to win alot of games. I'm not thrilled to have lost four straight. Project this out by the weekend. What record you predicting the Marlins to have? Show some guts now. They go 2-4 on this homestand, at best. Then they go 2-4 at Houston and St. Louis. That's my prediction. Let's see how smart you turn out to be. Make a prediction over what they will do in the next eight games. The bottom is falling out.

Oh, I'm not cheering about anything, but if I didn't know any better while reading this board, I would think this team is 9-17 right now instead of 15-11.? By all accounts, the team has been terrible for the last four games, but it's been more-or-less one play away from winning each of them...makes me believe if this team plays a little better than terrible (or better), then they'll be in good shape. yes it is better than 9-17. brilliant point. This is the defending champs and thus far they've shown they are ready to fall back to the mediocre Marlins of '02 and before. If your sights are set on winning a title, then they aren't showing they are in that class. If your sights are set on being better than 9-17 then yes, they are better than that. Personally, this team looks very average right now. They seem no better than a .500 club, if that good. Their weaknesses are now being exploited. Wayne is a one inning guy at best. The second time through the lineup, teams light him up. Benitez will be left to carry a heavy burdeon and he will likely tire. The bottom of the order is brutal. Choi only hits home runs. Castro can't hit anything. Gonzo is playing his way to 3A. Conine only hit in Colorado. There is nothing here to frighten anyone. The Phillies got through a rough spell and they are so primed to pass the Marlins. I see last Friday's 9-2 blown lead turned loss as the turning point to this year. Just as Dontrelle helped carry the team early last year, his terrible showing in San Francisco is the turning point to the collapse. That's the trend I see happening. Not some miracle reversal ready to happen. This club is average right now. You forgot to mention your boy Oliver and his 8.54 ERA :thumbdown He has pitched only 4 innings in his last 2 apperances, making our bullpen extremerely oversued. If you had your wish and Redman resigned for 3.9 mil, you could have said bye bye bye to Penny and Pavano. Make a point. Is this team better than .500 or not? Follow the argument instead of changing the subject. Oliver for the money is much better than Redman, and I might add, they both are 2-1. I'll also add the Burnett will replace Oliver, just as he would have replaced Redman if rag arm Redman wasn't traded. Nice pitching by Redman in the World Series. 3-0 meatball to Matsui with two on. Then Red justifies that he was amazed that Matsui was swinging at 3-0. And let's remember Red serving up fresh meat to that power hitting Kerry Wood in Game 7. And Red again making sure Moises Alou found Waveland Ave. So you can stop your hero worshipping of Redman. Burnett replaces a two month starter which is all Oliver is. and all Redman should be.

Choi 2 X 21 lifetime vs. lefties. Cordero is the right call vs. lefties. He jacked a homer off a lefty specialist in Colorado... The kid obviously is not the player his career numbers show. He's a star in the making and on the rise. big deal he hit a homer in Coors Field off a lefty. Choi is clueless vs. lefties. One fluke homer doesn't change that. Jack is correct on how he is handling Choi and Cordero. You honestly think Choi will hit lefties? 2X21 tells you about Choi vs. lefties. For that matter, Choi has something like 18 hits and 9 are HRs. He has shown power but little else except an occasional walk. Keep Cordero in there vs. lefties. Cordero is a proven hitter. Nunez is lost and will likely be traded.

Oh, I'm not cheering about anything, but if I didn't know any better while reading this board, I would think this team is 9-17 right now instead of 15-11.? By all accounts, the team has been terrible for the last four games, but it's been more-or-less one play away from winning each of them...makes me believe if this team plays a little better than terrible (or better), then they'll be in good shape. yes it is better than 9-17. brilliant point. This is the defending champs and thus far they've shown they are ready to fall back to the mediocre Marlins of '02 and before. If your sights are set on winning a title, then they aren't showing they are in that class. If your sights are set on being better than 9-17 then yes, they are better than that. Personally, this team looks very average right now. They seem no better than a .500 club, if that good. Their weaknesses are now being exploited. Wayne is a one inning guy at best. The second time through the lineup, teams light him up. Benitez will be left to carry a heavy burdeon and he will likely tire. The bottom of the order is brutal. Choi only hits home runs. Castro can't hit anything. Gonzo is playing his way to 3A. Conine only hit in Colorado. There is nothing here to frighten anyone. The Phillies got through a rough spell and they are so primed to pass the Marlins. I see last Friday's 9-2 blown lead turned loss as the turning point to this year. Just as Dontrelle helped carry the team early last year, his terrible showing in San Francisco is the turning point to the collapse. That's the trend I see happening. Not some miracle reversal ready to happen. This club is average right now. While I agree Dontrelle left the door open, I see the turning point more as Fox going on the DL. We would have pulled out 2 or 3 of these past four losses if we had a healthy Fox in there. 3 tough losses in a row put the team in a funk last night. I agree we need a trade to kick start things again. But also believe we have a core team that will be very good throughout the season. It is way too early to start predicting that Philly and Atlanta will end up ahead of us. Defensively, we are worse. Offensively, we have no production from Castro, Gonzo. Minimal production from Conine. Castillo hasn't produced and his finger is broken. When is that happening? The bullpen is laughable. It's not too early to see the writing on the wall. This team is .500 at best. Now a major trade could change things.

While we are at it are there any other changes you'd rather not see or will they only be posted after they prove to be costly? Jack was going for the win....it didn't work. Subbing Morde for Lowell is simply the wrong move, even if the Marlins had somehow won, it isn't the right move. To magnify how silly the move was is the fact the game was tied. Maybe if the Marlins are down a run and need speed to get to second, then you pinch run and take your chances if you tie. Obviously Jack was trying to win the game then. It didn't work. The point being, it never should have been done. All moves are in attempts to win the game. I will repeat for you. Last year going with Morde made more sense because Lowell had that hip/thigh problem. He needed to take a breather and he barely could walk. There is no excuse this year. Point out something with a bit more intelligence before you make your cliche comments, "Jack was going for the win...it didn't work."

Oh, I'm not cheering about anything, but if I didn't know any better while reading this board, I would think this team is 9-17 right now instead of 15-11. By all accounts, the team has been terrible for the last four games, but it's been more-or-less one play away from winning each of them...makes me believe if this team plays a little better than terrible (or better), then they'll be in good shape. yes it is better than 9-17. brilliant point. This is the defending champs and thus far they've shown they are ready to fall back to the mediocre Marlins of '02 and before. If your sights are set on winning a title, then they aren't showing they are in that class. If your sights are set on being better than 9-17 then yes, they are better than that. Personally, this team looks very average right now. They seem no better than a .500 club, if that good. Their weaknesses are now being exploited. Wayne is a one inning guy at best. The second time through the lineup, teams light him up. Benitez will be left to carry a heavy burdeon and he will likely tire. The bottom of the order is brutal. Choi only hits home runs. Castro can't hit anything. Gonzo is playing his way to 3A. Conine only hit in Colorado. There is nothing here to frighten anyone. The Phillies got through a rough spell and they are so primed to pass the Marlins. I see last Friday's 9-2 blown lead turned loss as the turning point to this year. Just as Dontrelle helped carry the team early last year, his terrible showing in San Francisco is the turning point to the collapse. That's the trend I see happening. Not some miracle reversal ready to happen. This club is average right now.

When the Astros come to town in a few weeks, it appears Roger Clemens is not slated to be pitching because of the rotation. Damn, I was really looking forward to seeing him pitch too. Hopefully the Astros schedule will get screwed up by a rain out or something along those lines and Clemens will end up pitching when the Astros are in town. Marlins are going to Houston next week. You are looking how far down the schedule before the Astros come to Miami? This is a very weird topic.