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I am having a tough time justifying carrying a third catcher at this point. Let JW get 2/3 the starts and play LF on his "off" day. In this role he obviously could jump behind the plate in an "emergency". I am having a real tough time justifying a roster spot for Olivo. Yes, he had a flash of brilliance today, but I am afraid that was all it was, a flash.

How many AB's since Olivo's last bat? and how many K's since then? I am NOT the president of the Oliveo Fan Club!! Let's move on..

With Jorg gone, and Olivo playing the way he is, maybe Olivo starts in ABQ. two benefits, work with the 'young' pitching staff and (more importantly) learn to do something productive at the plate.

Never heard of him. I bet JW isn't behind the plate. Girardi will want to get him some more time in LF. What a day at the plate today. 2-2, 2HR, and a BB. I bet he wants the season to start tomorrow. There was some very nice press on JW on the Marlin's web site.

and Olivo strikes out!! When JW plays LF, he will have to be ON to compensate for Olivo's OFF-ness!!

HC, the only problem would be messing up the L-R-L-R-L that Girardi is so fond of.

Too bad, I wanted to see what they would have done with Hammer with bases juiced. With his ability to let bad pitches go by, you know he would have gotten at least one to KILL. The only thing that would have been in the way would be his (anticipatory) drool!!!

If Hammer keeps this pace up, maybe Girardi can justify having Olivo (and his lack of offensive productivity) on the roster. I would rather see Treanor "platoon" with JW and not use a roster spot on Olivo!!!

In the words of my wife...... It was good while it lasted!!

Thanks for the PBP! Gameday is slower than I have ever seen it. Anytime Anytime? OK, I am already looking forwared to quality PBP @ 1:05 tomorrow, Wednesday..... Seriously, your work is appreciated!!

Thanks for the PBP! Gameday is slower than I have ever seen it.

Is it just me or does JW find a way to get on base?

Let's go hammer!!

HC, Thanks for the gameday link!!!!

Spike, thanks for the quick "explanation". I disagree with your view, but appreciate your willingness to stick with your thoughts. I hope you are wrong. I would love to see JW keep the plate discipline, AVG, OPS he has been showing for the last few years!! GO FISH

Spike, your definition of "failing miserably" must be VERY interesting. I agree that there seemed to be quite a bit of hype, but not the failing miserably part. I guess that means your are 1 for 2 or .500 That is only a couple of steps above miserable failure; JW is @ .440! help me understand your comments.

I look at the offensive sats for our catchers. Among the top four: Jorgensen, Olivo, Treanor, & Willingham, I come to one conclusion; Olivo needs to quit making any noise that is not coming from his bat contacting a baseball. While I understand that defensive skills have to be considered, I do not see how we can use a roster spot on him. Girardi put Willingham in LF today. I hope that is him looking for options for JW on his non-catching days. I think the smartest way to keep hsi bat in the line up would be to catch him 4 times a week, LF 2 days a week, and an off day. And keep Treanor as the #2 guy. With regards to development, JW does not need to learn anything from Olivo, that is why Tuck is the bench coach! I would say Jorgensen would have an argument to be #1 @ AAA over Olivo. I am sure Joe has a bit of a soft spot when it comes to catchers, but he needs to stick with meanest, grittiest, hardest worker we have behind the plate and I think Joe has been pretty clear who that is.

Will Olivo make some noise wtih his bat today? I be the keeps his mouth shut. Last time he opened it, he followed it up wtih 0-4, 2K.

Does anybody have the gameday link? Thanks

Olivo 0-4. Ouch!! I will repeat my view from yesterday, I wonder if Olivo will get the nod over Treanor, sending Treanor to ABQ, I don't see Girardi carrying 3 catchers. Then again, maybe Joe is proving to himself that Olivo isn't "the man", heck he isn't even "the man"'s back up.

I know JW used to be ale to kill the (golf) ball. When he was playng A ball up around Chicago, the word was he could "go yard" on teh golf couse too. Did he play today?

NOTES/QUOTES from CBSsporstline.com..... My comments in (quotes) --C Miguel Olivo hit .304 for San Diego after struggling early in the season with Seattle (.151). He might win the catcher's job because of his experience. He has speed (seven steals last year), a strong arm and quick release. (If there is a foot race between Olivo and JW, where is your money? JW has some stolen base numbers in his back pocket!!! My money is on JW) --C Matt Treanor has the most experience with Marlins pitchers of any of the catching candidates. He makes the team as a backup if Josh Willingham is moved to left field. (Sounds like the writer has Olivo viewed as the second option, discounting Treanor's ability. I am not sure how safe that assumption is).

I think JW should, and will, be the opening day catcher. I keep on hearing doubts/questions about JW's ability to play behind the plate "everyday". While I understand there is a difference between AAA, AA and 'the show', he has shown in his relatively brief catching experience that he can catch 5+ games a week. It seems to me that the REAL question surrounding the catcher position is simple to ask, tougher to answer: Who is going to back up JW? I think Girardi "showed his hand" with his recent quote about why JW has not taken any time in LF. My guess is Olivo is figuring he is not the first choice and therefore is going to make a little noise to stay out of AAA. What Olivo does not understand is the near absence of noise created when his bat makes solid contact with a spherical object! Let your bat do the talking, or in JW's case the SHOUTING. My guess is Treanor gets sent to ALB simply because of Olivo's reputation of being an above average defensive catcher. If my memory is right, JW has thrown out 3 of 5 potential base stealers. However, we must remember the quality of talent on the basepath. This is still ST. Then again, it is also ST for the battery working on holding guys at first.

Would someone out there help me understand "optiojns"? I read today that Willingham is "out of options". What does that mean in layman's terms? Are options negotiable @ contract time? Who owns the option, the player or the club/ What happens when you run out of options? Hopefully this forum will allow others to ask questions concerning teh "business" side that is on their minds!!

fish done in the second on five pitches. I guess that made up for the first inning!!