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Pierre better then Jones are you kidding? Even Abercrombie is better then Pierre.

kool article BEGINNER'S LUCK In June, Washington left-hander Bill Bray earned the win in his major-league debut despite throwing just one pitch. Catcher Bruce Schneider caught that pitch and threw out Milwaukee's Corey Koskie trying to steal to end the inning, then the Nationals scored in their next at-bat, getting Bray the victory. Lol its Brian http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp...layer_id=150411 :|

Glad to see Reggie cname wasn't mention on the list

Mets would be eighth different Series champion in eight years By Lyle Spencer / MLB.com Seven new, different World Series champions in a dizzying, dazzling row. That's what the bold, new century has brought us, starting with the dynastic New York Yankees, finishing off their trifecta in 2000, and running right on through these remarkable St. Louis Cardinals, stirring memories of Dizzy, Daffy and the Gashouse Gang. Before we proceed, let us not overlook the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks, the 2002 Anaheim Angels, the 2003 Florida Marlins, the 2004 Boston Red Sox and the 2005 Chicago White Sox -- all wonderful in their moment, all golden under the light of the silvery October moon. So -- cue the Keith Moon drumroll please -- Who's Next? Ladies and gentlemen, here they are, your 2007 World Series champions ... The New York Mets. Led by 2007 National League MVP Jose Reyes, Comeback Player of the Year Pedro Martinez and Manager of the Year Willie Randolph, they take that final stride and wash away the bitter disappointment of '06. Let's make that eight new champs in a dizzying, dazzling, Amazin' roll. And why the heck not? If you believe in truth, justice and the American way, baseball style, you have to acknowledge the Mets' many assets -- and their appealing prospects of conquering the World Series. Those are Minnesota's Twins, with all that dashing young talent and superlative pitching, we see across the field soberly observing the Mets' final October celebration after Game 7 at Shea Stadium, New York having claimed home-field advantage courtesy of Trevor Hoffman's save for the National League in the 2007 All-Star Game at San Francisco. Yes, the Mets. It's simply their time. This is a team that had everything but a closing act in '06, waking up those 20-year-old echoes of the '86 marauders with a fantastic season that had everyone remembering young Doc and Darryl, The Kid and Mex, Davey and Nails. Sure, it ended with the great Carlos Beltran, of all people, taking a third strike from the latest Chosen One, Adam Wainwright, leaving Shea Stadium numb and dumbfounded. But right up until their untimely demise, the Amazin's truly were amazin', start to finish. Consider: Beltran, Reyes, Carlos Delgado and David Wright gave leather-lunged New Yawk fans as many legitimate MVP candidates to cheer as the rest of the league combined. They'll all be back, smarter, stronger, even tougher. That taste, getting so close, will drive them through the long, hot summer. Consider: The Mets hit 200 home runs, stole 146 bases, had the league's best bullpen and came within a timely hit or two of winning the pennant with John Maine and Oliver Perez -- no Pedro, no El Duque -- pitching Games 6 and 7 of a great National League Championship Series against Chris Carpenter and Jeff Suppan. And, finally consider: Randolph is an emerging players' manager in the image of Joe Torre, a leader who will help aggressive GM Omar Minaya draw free-agent pieces necessary to improve on 97 regular-season wins and six more in the postseason for 103. That's a number matched only by the Cards' Motor City victims, nine more than the champions manufactured. There will be shrieks and howls of protests from precincts across the land when this decidedly unpopular and singular vote for the Mets is posted, but that's to be expected -- and embraced. Bring it on! We live for engagement. We hear you in The Bronx, jeering our audacity in putting the Mets ahead of the imperial Yanks. Sure, the Bombers will be a force; they're always a force. But the force of nature in '07 will be found in that neighboring borough of Queens. We hear you in New England, reminding us that the Sox will be back, curse-free, driven by Big Papi to show that 2004 was for real. We hear you in the South, where Atlanta still stands proud and brave -- OK, maybe not as proud and brave as before -- and Florida has a habit of rising unexpectedly from the ashes. Oh, sure, we hear you in Ryan Howard country out in Philly, where you're getting pumped to boo Santa, and north of the border in Toronto, where you're civil but firmly remindful of glories past. We hear you in Minnesota, Detroit, Cleveland and on the South Side of Chicago, ranting about how the AL Central still gets no respect. On the contrary, that division of divisions gets immense respect -- just not another World Series crown just yet. (The Tigers will be back, real soon, and the Twins are also here to stay). We hear you in St. Louis -- go ahead, let us have it. We know it's unwise to discount any team with David Eckstein, a modern-day Scooter, at shortstop in all his fiery glory. Hey, no offense, Redbird lovers, but recent history is compelling in its argument against repeats and in the sustaining power of the brand of magic that produces a championship without thunder from Albert Pujols. And, finally, we hear you out West, where Oakland, both Los Angeleses -- including the one in Anaheim -- and San Diego are potentially loaded. The pitching-rich Padres would be especially hard to ignore if they hired Dusty Baker, so perfect for the job, to replace Bruce Bochy. But that, alas, doesn't appear likely. So, yes, by all means, shout it from the rooftops. Your team, even those we foolishly neglected here, has a legitimate shot to be lucky No. 8 in to shine in the new century. Just make a few home improvements, add a shot of Wainwright-like magic, mix in some Eckstein heart and soul, and -- voila -- you're right there. In the meantime, go ahead and vent. We still like the Mets to take it the distance in '07. Lyle Spencer is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs. SOURCE :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Here my prediction: Boredom

Willis leaves with triceps painBY CLARK SPENCER cspencer@MiamiHerald.com Dontrelle Willis was removed from Sunday's season finale against he Philadelphia Phillies because of a sore left triceps after throwing just 19 pitches. But, even though the pitcher is scheduled to undergo further testing today as a precaution, the injury is not believed serious. ''He was trying to stay in like he always wants to,'' said manager Joe Girardi, who lifted Willis in the top of the second inning. ``I had to convince him he's got to think long-term and next year for this club.'' Willis balked at leaving the game when Girardi and trainer Mike Kozak visited the mound for the second time in the inning after catcher Matt Treanor had alerted them that something wasn't right with the pitcher. Third baseman Miguel Cabrera tried to console Willis, escorting him back to the dugout, but the angry pitcher threw his glove once inside. ''I'm a selfish guy when it comes to that,'' Willis said. ``What good am I if I can't pitch? What good am I if I can't do what got me here?'' Willis, a workhorse, has thrown a total of more than 250 innings over the past two seasons, not including his participating in the World Baseball Classic last winter. He said he has experienced fatigue in the triceps before. Sunday's game was rendered virtually meaningless after the Phillies were eliminated from playoff contention on Saturday. But Willis refused to believe that. ''There ain't no game that's meaningless,'' he said. Girardi said Willis has tendinitis of the triceps, but X-rays taken Sunday showed no damage. Willis is also scheduled for an MRI today. JUST SHORT Cabrera came up short in his bid to win the NL batting title, finishing with a .339 average. Pittsburgh's Freddy Sanchez went 2 for 4 to win the title with a .344 average. Girardi tried to aid Cabrera's cause by installing him in the leadoff spot for the first time in his career. But after striking out twice, the word was received that Sanchez had singled his first two times up. Cabrera told Girardi ''I'm done'' and was taken out of the game. ''I've told Miggy on many occasions I will not take him out, you need to come tell me because I want you to win this,'' Girardi said. 'And he came up to me and said `Freddy's 2 for 2 and I'm 0 for 2. I'm done.' '' A lot of players including Willis are just mad that the season was ending and all the bulls*** that is going on at the locker room.

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season. . . Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why. I thought Beinfest said that he was looking for bullpen help at the deadline but the deals just weren't there--people were asking for too much. And that being said, the team was a lot more "out of it" at the end of July than they were a month later. I doubt he was going to trade someone who can help us 2 years from now (which was probably the timeline they were looking at being competitive) for short-term relief help. Beinfest was "looking" but Loria wasn't buying. There were no real negotiations, and all we needed was a bullpen arm or two. Remember, the deadline was August 31 (to be on the playoff roster) and there is no deadline for trades for players just to use in the regular season. They just have to clear waivers if the trade is after July 1. In late August it was obvious we had a shot, and needed bullpen help. A decent owner also would have been finding some help for the OF. The absurd thing is that we are even discussing the issue: it shows how Loria is destroying this franchise. What is he pocketing this year, thanks to the low payroll, while we all suffer? $20-30 million? Maybe he is saving money to get Andrew Jones next year :mischief2

Who what? Damn that stupid oil change I had to do

Anyone know why Joe didn't put Nolasco to star today game? I thought Joe move Nolasco to the bullepn to have a 4 men rotation as a last desprate move to take the WC but fail.

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad. I'd tell Loria: "You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. " "You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans." "If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve." :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Seconded. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy Third :mischief

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad. I'd tell Loria: "You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. " "You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans." "If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve." :thumbup

If you guys seriously believe that there is still hope, then lock this thread instead of deleting it. If the Marlins somehow clinch WC, you can put this thread under the thread called "A dream...gone" http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...?showtopic=8863 in the Hall of Fame where I can eat my crows. If the Marlins do fail, you can either let this lock thread continue to sink to the 10, 20, 50 pages or you can clean the thread and unlock it for future use.

Marlins need to go 10-3 if they want to reach the playoff. If they lose tomorow, they can only offord to lose 2 more games out of the 12 games left. Starting tomorow, if we get a 3 games winning streak, we still need a 7-3 to reach the playoff. And all this is assuming the hot Padres play 6-7 :plain This is not our year, this was suppose to be a rebuilding year. Stop being so greedy, I personly don't want that crazy baster Loria who single handed destroy the Expos organation get away with mulder with only a $15M payroll. But if you guys want to abuse yourself with every lose the Marlins will recieve til the ending of the season, go ahead. Just make sure you have plenty of beer next to you when Herges is at it again.

Then its official Goal for this off season: Get Jamie Walker and Keith Foulke That should contribute to 90+ wins next season :cool Edit: Sure, now you put the list of scouting report for the closer. Buh-bye hope of getting Foulke...

You were more exciting to watch then last year team. You have prove many expert wrong at the beggining at the season. Many predict you were going to lose 108 games, a repeat performance from the 98 Marlins. But you guys are special. Hanley Ramirez: Thanks for being our leadoff hitter, if it wasn't for that 0-25 slump, your BA would had been in the .300 by now. 49 steals rank 3 in that list, you surely help me forget about Pierre. Dan Uggla: From a 5 rule pick to a all-star player in your rookie year. You even broke the all-time HR record by rookie 2nd basemen, wow in this stadium too. Miguel Cabrera: You have prove why you are our most fear hitter. Amazing your competing for the BA leader when pitcher will prefer to pitch around you to go after the no-name players we were full stack of. Mike Jacobs: You certainly made pitcher pay when they walk Cabrera. Thanks for helping Cabrera BA by building up your name. And your HR total is pretty good for a rookie, you certainly have potential to hit over 30 HR in your career, even in this stadium. Josh Willingham: I will always credit you for giving us our first season win when you hit that HR against the Astros. You were certainly hot during April. Jeremy Hermida: .260 BA Meh... Cody Ross: Thank for hitting those HR when we needed them the most, Rossy the Pirate killer, hehe! Miguel Olivo: Wow, here another great underdog story. At 1 point you made people head spin when you had your BA at .290 during the second half of the season. Too bad you are getting tired since you are one of the fastest catcher out there and you are not use to catching almost all the time instead of the Treanor/you combo. Matt Treanor: Way to go to hustle after hitting your HR. Atlieast you got baseball spirit. Alfredo Amezaga: I like how you sometime get those key hits. Borch: Meh..., atliest you were one of the players who hit that back to back HR to tie the game again't the O's Reggie Abercrombie: Thank for hitting that 493 ft HR in Cincinnati, that HR against Clemans, that HR bunt, the HR broke and avoid the shutout from that 10-1 defeat, and always giving us something to laugh about in the outfielf, and always giving us a classic debate everyday, and etc... Eric Reed: Go back to AAA Dontrelle Willis: Nice comeback to lower your ERA to a respective spot. Scott Olsen: Thank for all those high number of K you put up every game. Josh Joshson: Thank for giving a run for the leader spot of ERA Anibal Sanchez: Thank for that No hitter, you are truly showing you are basebll new Roger Clemen! Nolasco: Good job for getting a no hitter through 6 innings twice. One day you will get yours too. Borowski: Thank for being a closer and not getting injure. If you got injure, buh-bye winning season. Tankersley: You were a great pitcher for us. Matt Herges: Meh.. Randy Messenger: urg... Rest of Bullpen: :fyou Joe Girardi: Thank you for believing in this team. Wish you came back because this team will surely will miss you. Beinfest: Thank for all this players you got us and making the most out of the $15M dollor limit Loria set to you. Loria: :fyou !!!!!

In the regular deadline I agree but during the waiver deadline, we had a good shot at the WC.

But who do we have then? If Borowski was in Cincinnati, he would had the boot a long time ago, but in this team, we got nobody to replace him!

I dont remember that game. Maybe I just erased it from my memory. I can search the link to the game thread if you want

Hopefully Martinez come back next year. We are going to need a 8th inning pitcher when Tank move up to the 9th. C'mon Beinfest, get us a dominating 7th inning pitcher that we can promote over time!

Today game basicly scream get bullpen help next season. Hopefully Marlins get rid of Borowski next year, he is in the 30's which what the Marlins arn't really looking for.

Just tell them that they blew this game by themselves. This was a very winnable game. I wonder what would happen to the team if Joe said the playoff race is over. I wonder how the team will react. They need a smack in the face. I think today is a horrible time to comment about the playoff, but this team lost today game ugly and Joe need to talk to this team and work on their defense this couple of days for punishment.

As someone said in the other thread, JoBo pitched 6 outs. The defense didn't let him get said outs. What a stupid thread. Don't forget Joe pitch other games in August too and fail. This game was a combo of both pitching and defense. If Borowski was in the Braves bullpen, he'll be the mopup pitcher for a couple of days and slowly have to work his way back up. The problem with this team is, we got no one to replace Borowski. sigh...

The scary part is imagine what the final score is if the game doesn't end until you get all 3 outs just like last year game.

If he can't hold a 4 runs lead, then it will be nail biting when Girardi give the ball to Joe in a save situation. Our bullpen is a mess and this game just scream "Why didn't you got bullpen help Beinfest?". Tankersley look like our only lonely relief pitcher we can trust at this point as Borowski continue with this slump.

What will you do after after lose? Here what I'll do: At the locker room I'll be throwing chairs trying to get the message across about today spechless game. And I will force my team to stay in the stadium and train them on their defense for hours. :mad