What will you do after after lose?

 

Here what I'll do:

 

At the locker room I'll be throwing chairs trying to get the message across about today spechless game. And I will force my team to stay in the stadium and train them on their defense for hours. :mad

Id probably close this thread

i'd just let them know plain and simple if u cant play fundamental baseball u cant win ball games. execution is so key in this game and for a lead like that to just explode on mental mistakes is uncalled for.

Just tell them that they blew this game by themselves. This was a very winnable game.

 

I wonder what would happen to the team if Joe said the playoff race is over. I wonder how the team will react. They need a smack in the face.

Well, I ask FO to release Abercrombie and then sit Hammer tomorrow in favor of Ross/Borchard.

Just tell them that they blew this game by themselves. This was a very winnable game.

 

I wonder what would happen to the team if Joe said the playoff race is over. I wonder how the team will react. They need a smack in the face.

 

I think today is a horrible time to comment about the playoff, but this team lost today game ugly and Joe need to talk to this team and work on their defense this couple of days for punishment.

What will you do after after lose?

 

Here what I'll do:

 

At the locker room I'll be throwing chairs trying to get the message across about today spechless game. And I will force my team to stay in the stadium and train them on their defense for hours. :mad

 

 

My coach would do that in High School but major league baseball players don't get messages sent to them that way.

I'd find the naked pictures of Loria and force Borowski to look at them for at least 3 hours a day until he pitches a perfect inning.

I'd tell them that they are becoming every teams B**ch

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

:thumbup

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I'm still don't get this scenario in which Loria needs to destroy the team to garner favor among politicians, who already know the Marlins' situation, for a stadium deal in the best market available. Or that somehow it is in his best interests to sour the market to move the franchise to a market with less potential. Can someone please explain it to me?

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

 

Seconded.

I'm still don't get this scenario in which Loria needs to destroy the team to garner favor among politicians, who already know the Marlins' situation, for a stadium deal in the best market available. Or that somehow it is in his best interests to sour the market to move the franchise to a market with less potential. Can someone please explain it to me?

 

Perhaps it can be answered this way: If Loria and Co. can run their business at a profit with a $15 Million payroll in their current stadium...and a $15 Million payroll allows you to field a competitive team that should garner the attention of the local community...then why do the Marlins need public money and a new stadium?

 

Now, you can say that the Marlins need a new stadium anyway, because Huizenga is kicking them out and they have no place else to go. But, the entire "we need a new stadium to field a competitive team" argument is belied by their success with relatively modest payrolls in 2003 and 2006.

I'm still don't get this scenario in which Loria needs to destroy the team to garner favor among politicians, who already know the Marlins' situation, for a stadium deal in the best market available. Or that somehow it is in his best interests to sour the market to move the franchise to a market with less potential. Can someone please explain it to me?

 

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season.

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Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why.

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

 

 

Some of you people don't know how stupid some of the stuff you post sounds.

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

 

Wow, I'd almost think your were Girardi... that seems absolutely dead on...

Approved :thumbup

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

 

Seconded.

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Third :mischief

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

 

 

Some of you people don't know how stupid some of the stuff you post sounds.

 

No more stupid than yours, and at least mine contain some content. Your invective is a poor substitute for thought.

 

 

I'm still don't get this scenario in which Loria needs to destroy the team to garner favor among politicians, who already know the Marlins' situation, for a stadium deal in the best market available. Or that somehow it is in his best interests to sour the market to move the franchise to a market with less potential. Can someone please explain it to me?

 

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season.

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Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why.

 

Loria's request for public $$$ to partially subsidize a stadium is based on the argument that he cannot field a competitive team given the payroll constraints that will exist if he gets no public money. He was trying to give us and the decision makers a sense of what that level of payroll gives you on the field with the $14.9 million team full of rookies, and by not seeking help at the trading deadline.

 

The team's winning, especially with this absurdly low payroll, contradicts his argument, and shows that public money for a stadium cannot be justified as a competitive measure. While we all could argue with that, that is the way politicians, and taxpayers who are not baseball fans, tend to see things.

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season.

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Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why.

 

I thought Beinfest said that he was looking for bullpen help at the deadline but the deals just weren't there--people were asking for too much. And that being said, the team was a lot more "out of it" at the end of July than they were a month later. I doubt he was going to trade someone who can help us 2 years from now (which was probably the timeline they were looking at being competitive) for short-term relief help.

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

 

 

Some of you people don't know how stupid some of the stuff you post sounds.

 

No more stupid than yours, and at least mine contain some content. Your invective is a poor substitute for thought.

 

Yeah, because essentially saying Loria tore apart the team to get a stadium is actual content. Can someone PLEASE explain how alienating the fans thus alienating politicians will help you get a stadium?

 

Also, picking up "an arm or two" and a CFer is not as easy as some of you think. This isn't MVP baseball!!!Especially with the asking price for "an arm or two" and a CFer. You could also say this was an error in the FO's judgement. But come on really, who really thought something like this was going to happen in July 31.

 

As Ramp reported before the deadline, the Marlins WERE active in trying to improve the team.

 

Loria has shown he will spend money to improve the team if they are in play-off contention. But again we all forget that when it gets in the way of a good Loria bashing.

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season.

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Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why.

 

I thought Beinfest said that he was looking for bullpen help at the deadline but the deals just weren't there--people were asking for too much. And that being said, the team was a lot more "out of it" at the end of July than they were a month later. I doubt he was going to trade someone who can help us 2 years from now (which was probably the timeline they were looking at being competitive) for short-term relief help.

 

Beinfest was "looking" but Loria wasn't buying. There were no real negotiations, and all we needed was a bullpen arm or two. Remember, the deadline was August 31 (to be on the playoff roster) and there is no deadline for trades for players just to use in the regular season. They just have to clear waivers if the trade is after July 1. In late August it was obvious we had a shot, and needed bullpen help. A decent owner also would have been finding some help for the OF.

 

The absurd thing is that we are even discussing the issue: it shows how Loria is destroying this franchise. What is he pocketing this year, thanks to the low payroll, while we all suffer? $20-30 million?

Congratulate the players for just buying themselves a nice long winter because they seemed to want it real bad.

 

 

I'd tell Loria:

 

"You misrepresented your intentions to destroy the team in order to get me to accept the job, you got angry at me for winning anyway because it upset your strategy on the stadium issue, you then started sourcing false rumors about me, you refused to pick up a bullpen guy or 2, and an OF, before the trade deadline even though you have the lowest payroll in MLB -- $20 million less than the lowly Devil Rays, and with an $18 million payroll, and the few extra guys, we would be in the division race, not just the wild card. "

 

"You don't show enough respect for the fans to spend enough to get the few players we need to compete next year, so I want out. Ironically, your attempt to get your way by destroying the franchise like you did in Montreal won't get you a stadium deal here. The local politicians will not commit enough money to get it done, and you will be forced to sell to a group with more money and more respect for the game and its fans."

 

"If the fans knew what was going on (and I plan to get the word out after I leave) they would boycott season tickets until you show the respect they and the game deserve."

 

 

Some of you people don't know how stupid some of the stuff you post sounds.

 

No more stupid than yours, and at least mine contain some content. Your invective is a poor substitute for thought.

 

 

I'm still don't get this scenario in which Loria needs to destroy the team to garner favor among politicians, who already know the Marlins' situation, for a stadium deal in the best market available. Or that somehow it is in his best interests to sour the market to move the franchise to a market with less potential. Can someone please explain it to me?

 

I'm not sure I agree with that scenario either, but can you explain the FO failure to add 3-5 million this season when it was clear we needed bullpen help and outfield help. I'd have to blame the inactivity more on Beinfest than Loria, but I still don't understand why they somehow seem not to want to win this year. They may have had a 3 year plan, but you strike while the iron is hot. There's no guarantee that Olsen, JJ, Willis, Sanchez, Nolasco, Cabrera, Hanley....will stay healthy and improve season to season.

.

.

Could it be that it's not in the Marlins best interest to win this year? I think that's the case, but I don't understand why.

 

Loria's request for public $$$ to partially subsidize a stadium is based on the argument that he cannot field a competitive team given the payroll constraints that will exist if he gets no public money. He was trying to give us and the decision makers a sense of what that level of payroll gives you on the field with the $14.9 million team full of rookies, and by not seeking help at the trading deadline.

 

The team's winning, especially with this absurdly low payroll, contradicts his argument, and shows that public money for a stadium cannot be justified as a competitive measure. While we all could argue with that, that is the way politicians, and taxpayers who are not baseball fans, tend to see things.

 

The Mariners and Padres used the exact opposite of your model and they got the public to foot the bill for their stadiums.

 

Safeco isn't built if the Mariners don't have that renaissance and go to the 95 ALCS.

 

Petco isn't built if the Padres don't reach the 1998 World Series.