2004: 2.63, 1.05 WHIP, 25 saves
That's a bad year? (talking about Hawkins)
You're counting 9 blown saves...how many of those came as the closer? He probably blew a couple as a middle reliever/setup guy (like Nunez this year), which is unfair to count, considering:
A. It has nothing to do with the closer's role.
B. If we're going to count his 7th/8th inning blown leads, we should count his holds, too.
And my point was that MOST good setup men can close. Also, overall, Latroy Hawkins has had an average, at best, career, anyway you spin it.
As for the blown save statistic...it's already been explained. Whether they have the "mentality" or not...FACT is, that despite mediocre statistics, Marlins closers (Lindstrom/Nunez) have converted 32 of their 37 save chances this year, when given a chance in the 9th. No one was even talking about this till Nunez' putrid performance today.
You're looking at blown saves alone and I just don't think that provides an accurate gauge of how bad both of our closers have been. Yes, their badness hasn't resulted in as many actual blown saves as it should have, but that has a lot to do with the fact that they haven't been asked to get a lot of one run saves. In absolutely countless outings this year, either Nunez or Lindstrom allowed a run or two before finally shutting the door. The fact of the matter is that their ERA as closers is almost twice as much as a good closer should have, and while they bent but didn't break on some occasions, they get to the point where they start playing to their components.
And I thought this conversation started with me mentioning that I had brought up Nunez before now?
And that's exactly the reason why the closer's role is overrated. You can come in 40 times in one year with a 3 run lead...allow 2 runs in each outing (ERA of 18), and go 40/40. That is, exactly, my point.
That's why it's dumb to overpay for closers. That's why I don't get the whole "mentality" thing. Seriously...how hard is it for a big league reliever to close the game with a 2, 3 run lead? If it's any other inning, it's not even noticed.
I don't buy the whole "he doesn't have the mentality to get it done" thing. Fact is, he's "gotten it done" 18 times in 21 tries...despite being mediocre. That, in itself, shows how overrated the role is. It's 1 inning, where a pitcher is forced to get 3 of 27 outs (or more, if it's extra innings), in order to get the W.
Like honestly...you never answered my question. Who faced more "pressure" today? Leo or Kiko?
I cant tell you who felt more pressure as that depends on each of the players personality's but I can tell that ive heard many times relievers and managers say the ninth is different than any other inning. It probably isn't hard for a ML pitcher to get 3 outs for a 2 or 3 run lead but for some reason guys have made the ninth a big deal when maybe it really isn't. I don't know as Ive never pitched in a ML game. I remember hearing something about how Rivera is so good because he just goes out there any treats the ninth like any other inning.
Easier said than done, he may go out there like it's any other inning, but he still knows it's the 9th and he's got pressure. Rivera is near perfect because of his skills, not his mentality going out there (although I will say that can factor).