Yeah, it's because of bad luck that he doesn't get more hits. No, wait, it's because he hits in the 8 spot and doesn't see alot of good pitches.

 

But don't worry, he's improving his strike zone judgement, learning to not hit for power, working with his hitting coach, learning how to situational hit..Blah Blah Blah.

 

All of the above are good excuses for a year of atrocious offensive production, but not two, much less two and a half. In combination with the P's spot he KILLS two innings a game offensively.

 

The 8 & 9 spots are a mere formality. Combine this with two light hitters at the 1 and 2 holes and it makes it impossible score runs without at least three strait hits.

Wait, this is only the second game of the season :blink:

 

 

btw, Castillo is 1 for 10, let's put Cordero at 2nd

Yeah, it's because of bad luck that he doesn't get more hits. No, wait, it's because he hits in the 8 spot and doesn't see alot of good pitches.

 

But don't worry, he's improving his strike zone judgement, learning to not hit for power, working with his hitting coach, learning how to situational hit..Blah Blah Blah.

 

All of the above are good excuses for a year of atrocious offensive production, but not two, much less two and a half. In combination with the P's spot he KILLS two innings a game offensively.

 

The 8 & 9 spots are a mere formality. Combine this with two light hitters at the 1 and 2 holes and it makes it impossible score runs without at least three strait hits.

Wait, this is only the second game of the season :blink:

 

 

btw, Castillo is 1 for 10, let's put Cordero at 2nd If Castillo had sucked hind teat for two and a half years at the plate already I'd be all about sitting him down too.

Oh my god. I cannot believe I am reading this. I attended the game tonight and I saw Gonzalez make some nice contact on the ball but just got out. To hear this crap is incredible. Gonzalez is an outstanding defender and last year he hit 18 HRs. That's "no power" I guess. Oh yeah remember that HR he hit in PPS that hit one of the Dolphins Players name that are just before the highest section of the stadium...I think it was Bob Griese. Fish Fillet, why don't you hate on Castro who struck out 3 times today. Yesterday Castillo did jack, why not make a post saying he is great talent defensively but sucks and has no power. Man oh man I can't believe this...

see above.

 

Castro hasn't sucked for almost three years, nor has Luis.

 

Gonzo has.

18 HRs and excellent defense sucks? Damn...this is news to me!

18 HRs and excellent defense sucks? Damn...this is news to me!

I'm sure it is.

Oh please. I am pretty sure half of the teams in MLB would take 18 HRs and stellar defensive play. Damn is it too early to hate on Beckett too? I mean he is a .500 Pitcher during the regular season and everyone knows yesterday's game and last years Postseason was a fluke. Man get out of here.

Oh please. I am pretty sure half of the teams in MLB would take 18 HRs and stellar defensive play. Damn is it too early to hate on Beckett too? I mean he is a .500 Pitcher during the regular season and everyone knows yesterday's game and last years Postseason was a fluke. Man get out of here.

If you'll read my previous posts you'll note that I am basing my assessment of Gonzo on the PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS. Not two games.

 

But, if you insist, please continue arguing against a point I never made. It looks like you really enjoy it.

Let's see...last year he had a good year. The year before I believe he was hurt....hmmm that says a lot. To me that says A-Gon is a solid player. Lets get rid of Gonzalez even though he won GAME 4 of the WS for us and made hits when he needed to last year. While we are at it, Let's get rid of Beckett too what has he done in the past 2 1/2 seasons besides be a .500 pitcher!

OK, let's see.

 

Last year he K'd 20 percent of the time. He only walked 33 times (which was still a career high). Pretty impressive for a career #8 hitter who sees garbage pitches most of the time.

 

But you are right, he did bat a stratospheric .256. Which, pathetically enough, is 12 points higher than his career average.

 

What makes it really bad, though, is the fact that he is prone to streaks of abjectly miserable performances at the plate. When he slumps, it isn't a little 1-15 or 3-30 slide. His slumps can be categorized in monthy increments. And he isn't just a little off at the plate. He looks like an absolute idiot when he swings and misses.

 

He has absolutely no idea of what situational hitting is, nor has he picked up on the concept of a strike zone. After 7 years he still swings at cheese above his eyes...alot.

 

But, if you feel his performance is acceptable then so be it. I just happen to think that runs are going to be a t a higher premium this year for this particular batting order. And with that in mind I don't think they can afford to carry GOnzo unless the epiphany finally comes and he starts hitting 270-290 with alot more walks and alot less K's.

OK, let's see.

 

Last year he K'd 20 percent of the time. He only walked 33 times (which was still a career high). Pretty impressive for a career #8 hitter who sees garbage pitches most of the time.

 

But you are right, he did bat a stratospheric .256. Which, pathetically enough, is 12 points higher than his career average.

 

What makes it really bad, though, is the fact that he is prone to streaks of abjectly miserable performances at the plate. When he slumps, it isn't a little 1-15 or 3-30 slide. His slumps can be categorized in monthy increments. And he isn't just a little off at the plate. He looks like an absolute idiot when he swings and misses.

 

He has absolutely no idea of what situational hitting is, nor has he picked up on the concept of a strike zone. After 7 years he still swings at cheese above his eyes...alot.

 

But, if you feel his performance is acceptable then so be it. I just happen to think that runs are going to be a t a higher premium this year for this particular batting order. And with that in mind I don't think they can afford to carry GOnzo unless the epiphany finally comes and he starts hitting 270-290 with alot more walks and alot less K's.

Transalation - 2 games into the season and we know what kind of season Sea Bass is going to have

 

 

:hat

The lack of patience & strike-zone judgement is 100% correct, but 18 homers last year is hardly "no power".

 

I've heard the 8-spot in the lineup used as an excuse for his lack of being selective for pitches.... ....I'm not sure that's the case though, since he's looked the same in different spots in the order.....

 

It isn't an excuse, it is a reason. His lack of plate discipline is his own fault but he doesn't look the same in different parts of the order.

 

BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

 

Overall: .256/.313/.443/.756

6th: .259/.310/.556/.866

7th: .286/.330/.481/.811

8th: .232/.300/.395/.695

 

All 212 ABs post all-star came batting 8th. Oddly enough he didn't bat 9th vs the AL.

 

His OPS batting 8th was better than the NL average, only 5 NL teams had a better OPS batting 8th.

 

His OPS batting 8th was better than the overall OPS for the #8 spot for the team.

 

He is never going to have a good OBP but we can expect some more power when he isn't in front of a pitcher. That said, I don't think the Marlins should move him up because I wouldn't want to reduce anyone else's plate appearances.

Game 3:

 

0-4 with a K.

 

THis is really bad, even for Gonzo.

His last at bat tonight he was hitting .091 and he made another out so he must be down around .078 now.

 

He's making bob Ueker look like Ted Williams.

hehe... he's got like a 10-month-long cold streak going

 

keep it up bass :thumbup

He's making Bob Uecker look like Ted Williams.

LOL....

I know its only 3 games, but if we keep winning 2 of every 3, he can hit .035 for all I care

 

his D is most important

:whistle

 

*Thinks about the Mendoza line*

Gonzo , blows goats . he is a great defensive player but it hardly makes up for his horrible skills at the plate , if the guy could steal bases it would be a different story , but he cant even do that . This guy needs to find his swing quick or he will be riding the pine . im sorry to say this but Sea Bass couldnt hit a Watermelon with a frigging Guitar . Its sad but Darren Oliver our 5th starting pitcher has almost a better lifetime batting AVG. then sorry SEA BASS does. :thumbdown

Hmm..... so Im correct when I say that most of you ppl who say that Gonzo suckin @$$ at the plate would be considered highly detrimental to the Marlin's chances of reaching the WS?

 

Cuz let me say, considering he has been makin Uecker look like Teddy for a few yrs now, despite smackin that HR in the WS (I bet that those who b***h dont believe in clutch either. Those who base their arguments solely on statistics are the same that would probably have picked the phils/giants/cubs/yanks over the marlins last year since the paper looked pretty), and scoring one of the 2 runs in the last game, you would think the moaning would stop.....

 

If the formula works, why change it.

* Gonzo followed up his measly 2003 numbers with a ho-hum spring (.250 with 8 RBI in 56 games)

 

*1 for 4 with 2K and 1 LOB yesterday.

 

Now, I know he's arguably one of the top 3 defensive SS in the NL and all that, but he creates a vast, gaping expanse of nothingness in the lineup with his little stick.

He looks like a drunk 12 year old girl at the plate, and the Fish cannot afford offensively to carry his pathetic offensive performances this year.

 

Cabs would look good at short with Nunez in right field.

You must not be watching the actual ballgames. I'd say he averages a hard lineout per game. We know he has no plate discipline so the only way he can get on base is by putting the ball in play. The breaks will come.

The mere fact that you are offering "hard lineouts" as an excuse proves the point exactly.

The mere fact that you are offering "hard lineouts" as an excuse proves the point exactly.

So the fact that he hits the ball hard in almost every AB proves hes a "gaping expanse of nothingness?" The fact that hes hitting the ball hard tells me A-Gon is seeing the ball well and its only a matter of time before the balls in play find the alleys or the seats.

That's why it's called a batting AVERAGE.

 

All the hard lineouts get balanced out with the lucky singles and legitimate basehits to create an AVERAGE.

 

And the way it looks, Gonzo's AVERAGE is just north of a pile of corn-filled shiite.

 

And we've been hearing "it's only a matter of time until the balls find the alleys or the seats" for two years now. When can we finally stick a fork in him?

 

He needs to go down to the courthouse and legally change his name to Automatic Out.

Without a question, Alex Gonzalez is the weakest link on the Marlins. Some players like Lowell, Castillo, Pierre, and Cabrera even look good making outs. He does not. Wilson Valdez is the future.