"The roof may be considered "important", but it may also be flat out IMPOSSIBLE from an engineering POV..."

 

Terrific post Tonyi. :thumbup :blink: What have other domed arenas,convention centers etc. done to address the high wind threat problem ?

What Tonyi is referencing is the aerodynamic shortfalls of a retractable roof not domes or other fixed position roofs.

 

South Florida's building code on new construction is much stricter than virtually anywhere else in the country and for a reason. I suspect there are workarounds, ways of securing and spreading out the stress loads but they'll all come at a cost, which was his point.

 

It may be that the roof is designed in a way that allows the roof panels to be removed (thus removing the wing effect) or the building so designed so that there is no cantilever (doubtful considering the small footprint they'll be working with) but hopefully we'll get to a point where these are the issues we're discussing rather than whether we'll get a stadium or not.

IMO, they're not going to be able to just Xerox someone else's dome plans. I would not be suprised to see just the engineering/design bill for this thing come in around $50M - and that's if it even turns out to be something that can be constructed and be safe in say a Cat 3 storm. I would not be suprised if the engineering firm they hire comes back and says it can't be done for less than $600M (or more)

You raise some valid points...however, can't we assume (I know this is dangerous) that the retractable roof plan has already been presented to an engineering firm?

 

How can the Marlins be so confident of the $325 million price tag if they don't have a proposal in place if it hasn't?

 

 

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What are the building requirements in Houston and New Orleans? Houston is a bit inland but the deadliest hurricane on record hit the Galvaston area; I would guess another one of those would still be a 3 by the time it hit Houston.

 

New Orleans is also suspectible to big hurricanes but the Superdome is a fixed dome and went up a long time ago.

Well it looks like they're settling on the Orange Bowl site which I think is a bad mistake. I personally would love to see Broward step up (but have a piece of the pie this time and not get screwed like how the Panthers screwed the county) and build the stadium at Lockhart. 95 would be hell, but there would be pleanty of parking around there and it is close to the major highways and stuff. I'd even like to see it by sawgrass and the Office Depot Center, but I'd doubt the count would go for it after the Panthers. I just really dislike the Orange Bowl site. I'd even say I'd rather keep them at Pro Player then go there. There's no main streets to it, there's NO parking as it is, so how do you think by adding a new stadium (even if you're going to buy some rental units) is going to increase parking? It just doesn't make any sense. The demographics of the fans have been proving most come from Broward and Palm Beach and not Miami. There's no public transportation to that site.

 

I can see the need for a retractable roof though. The summer thunderstorms is bad and the heat is worse. And as far as the Miami marlins are concerned, I don't like it and don't know how the fans from the N would react. Broward should step up, make sure they don't get screwed and have the stadium built there.

Not this again. The county debate ended a long time ago. We all know the advantages and disadvantages of different counties. Fact is, Miami-Dade and the city of Miami stepped up, no other county or even the state now offered anything. If the deal is ever completed, the stadium will be in Miami-Dade. And if youd rather the Marlins stay in PPS, then youre not understanding the problem to begin with.

Well it looks like they're settling on the Orange Bowl site which I think is a bad mistake. I personally would love to see Broward step up (but have a piece of the pie this time and not get screwed like how the Panthers screwed the county) and build the stadium at Lockhart. 95 would be hell, but there would be pleanty of parking around there and it is close to the major highways and stuff. I'd even like to see it by sawgrass and the Office Depot Center, but I'd doubt the count would go for it after the Panthers. I just really dislike the Orange Bowl site. I'd even say I'd rather keep them at Pro Player then go there. There's no main streets to it, there's NO parking as it is, so how do you think by adding a new stadium (even if you're going to buy some rental units) is going to increase parking? It just doesn't make any sense. The demographics of the fans have been proving most come from Broward and Palm Beach and not Miami. There's no public transportation to that site.

 

 

Well unfortunately Broward county isn't going to and Miami-Dade is. And really, it doesn't matter where this stadium gets put, as long as they can stay here in South Florida.

a retractable roof stadium in so flo is very complicated there are many factors that go into it. i guess in a storm you close the roof and lock it down.

:mischief2 How about a hole in the roof type like the Dallas Cowboys have?

How about we do it correctly?