Every club has made trades it would rather forget, but with Twins lefty Johan Santana dueling Curt Schilling for the American League Cy Young, there seems little doubt now about the worst deal in Marlins history.

 

At least the non-salary dump variety.

 

That would be the decision to swap Santana, then a little-known 20-year-old out of the Astros' strong Venezuelan feeder system, for reliever Jared Camp at the 1999 winter meetings. The Marlins, picking second overall, even gave the Twins an extra $50,000 to take Santana for them one spot ahead.

 

Camp, who was coming off a strong Arizona Fall League, flopped the next spring and never made the majors. Santana entered the weekend 41-18 for his career, and he's still just 25.

 

Other forgettable deals in the Marlins' relatively brief history include Danny Bautista for Andy Fox (Arizona) in June 2000; Livan Hernandez for Nate Bump and Jason Grilli (Giants) in July 1999; Rick Helling for Ed Vosberg (Rangers) in August 1997; and Carl Everett for Quilvio Veras (Mets) in November 1994.

 

The worst move by the current administration was probably selling Kevin Millar, first to Japan and later to the Red Sox (February 2003), to clear money to sign Todd Hollandsworth as his replacement in left field. But that mistake sort of gets lost amid the tickertape from the World Series parade eight months later.

Copyright ? 2004, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

I don't get this. It really isn't a column....what's the purpose of this? The Marlins are out of it, so Mike can go back to his Marlin-bashing B.S?

Every club has made trades it would rather forget, but with Twins lefty Johan Santana dueling Curt Schilling for the American League Cy Young, there seems little doubt now about the worst deal in Marlins history.

 

At least the non-salary dump variety.

 

That would be the decision to swap Santana, then a little-known 20-year-old out of the Astros' strong Venezuelan feeder system, for reliever Jared Camp at the 1999 winter meetings. The Marlins, picking second overall, even gave the Twins an extra $50,000 to take Santana for them one spot ahead.

 

Camp, who was coming off a strong Arizona Fall League, flopped the next spring and never made the majors. Santana entered the weekend 41-18 for his career, and he's still just 25.

 

Other forgettable deals in the Marlins' relatively brief history include Danny Bautista for Andy Fox (Arizona) in June 2000; Livan Hernandez for Nate Bump and Jason Grilli (Giants) in July 1999; Rick Helling for Ed Vosberg (Rangers) in August 1997; and Carl Everett for Quilvio Veras (Mets) in November 1994.

 

The worst move by the current administration was probably selling Kevin Millar, first to Japan and later to the Red Sox (February 2003), to clear money to sign Todd Hollandsworth as his replacement in left field. But that mistake sort of gets lost amid the tickertape from the World Series parade eight months later.

Copyright ? 2004, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

 

Didn't know that :banghead

 

Imagine Santana in the Fish rotation now...

 

Oh well

Who wants Santana when you can have...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

DARREN OLIVER!!!!!!!!!!!

batista for fox?? common man batista was always injured and sucked since 1998 till now. fox gave us a nice season at SS when gonzo was injured. im surprised he didnt mention j**h B**ty

whats the point of this article, i dont know

 

we also had scott posednick and thousands of others. ever organization slips. but we slipped less than the rest.

Damn! I didn't realize we traded Santana.

Yeah, all over this no one has mentioned this was all from the Rule V draft.

Every single team has their list of players that they let go. It happens, we'll live.

Every single team has their list of players that they let go. It happens, we'll live.

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Pirates with Jason Schmidt for example...

Yeah, all over this no one has mentioned this was all from the Rule V draft.

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AND that this was dealing Dave doing, not the current regime. Dave loved those big RHP who could throw the heat. IMO if this regime was in place during that time Santana would be a Marlin and not a Twin...WHY? They love LHP "pitchers" its a stretch but they would have seen his talent especially Dan Jennings :thumbup

berrardino is a d*** head

Why? It's a fun article. It's not like there's wild card race to write about. He already wrote about this winter's free agents.

Agreed with rferry. And its lnot like we've been robbed in any of these deals. How could anyone predict Santana. Look at the Mets deal this season. Now thats something to be pissed about.

Its not like we traded Santana just before he became a star. They just never wanted him in the first place. You have to be really digging for something when you write about that instead of how they got some no name pitcher from Montreal and now is an All star and a Cy Young candidate.

 

Or a closer who had been booed and now is setting save records.

 

Mike Bernandindo es un comemierda.

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Agreed with rferry. And its lnot like we've been robbed in any of these deals. How could anyone predict Santana. Look at the Mets deal this season. Now thats something to be pissed about.

 

 

You have to remember, that the only reason Santana was available was because Houston let him go in order to protect Derek Bell in the expansion draft. A lot of people have said Santana was unpredictable, but his strikeout numbers at A-ball (when he was first let go by Houston) were pretty damn high. I don't think he was exactly a guy you let go, but I can't say anything abou the player the Marlins took instead of him. All I can say is that Houston was stupid (even at the time) to let him go.

 

I'm surprised that he didn't list the Moises Alou deal. Even if it was a salary dump, the Marlins got zippo in that deal even at the time. At least they got Derrek Lee for Kevin Brown, A.J. Burnett for Al Leiter, and Mike Lowell & Preston Wilson as a result of the Sheffield/Johnson trade (while getting rid of Bobby Blow at the same time - don't underestimate that).

Water under the bridge....

Every team have his share of bad deals. Big deal.

 

I often compare the business of baseball with trading on the stock market. You will lose money trading no matter who you are. The key is to be right more than wrong and cutting your loses early.

 

There is no crystal ball. Players sometimes need a change or a different coach to get better.

Every team have his share of bad deals. Big deal.

 

I often compare the business of baseball with trading on the stock market. You will lose money trading no matter who you are. The key is to be right more than wrong and cutting your loses early.

 

There is no crystal ball. Players sometimes need a change or a different coach to get better.

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i hear you, but bernardino is just taking unnecessary shots at the marlins

No, he is not. It's a f-ing fun f-ing article. Leave it at.

No, he is not. It's a f-ing fun f-ing article. Leave it at.

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You must have a strange definition of the word "fun".

He's simply pointing out a trade which in retrospect looks bad and explaining why they made the deal. Veras, Bump and Grilli were top prospects. Vosberg was servicable. There was no interest in Millar. It's a fun article and in no way did he give the Marlins scouting departments a lashing. It's a story of the one that got away.

Yes, the Santana trade turned out to be a bad move, but who knew? We also had Randy Winn in our system, but we didn't need him to win two World Series.

Let's see - we nuked our '97 championship team and got back the foundation for the '03 championship team. Great analysis, Berardino.

 

I totally disagree. This article clearly has an agenda - to try and just be negative about the Marlins.

 

Santana was 20. Let it go. He even started off this season terribly. He got hot and got right. Trading him for a strong prospect who had good numbers in the Arizona Fall League is typical - and usually a good move. Oh well. We can live without Santana. Besides, we couldnt keep him around for long anyway financially.