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The Atlanta Graves Win Again?

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Any Marlin fans wondering how Atlanta will make their team worse again for 2005 and then embarass us all by winning the division? Does anyone here know if the Marlins are actually planning the to perhaps attempt to make their team better in 05 to stop this nonsense. I don't see any other team looking to improve. We all know the Senators(Greys?) probably won't be doing much, Philadelphia is always destined to fail, and the Mets, well they have Kaz Matsui, enough said. Being most of the World Championship players are still on the team Loria might actually be able to make a contender if he opens his wallet and aquries a "Pudge Rodriguez" of 2005. Anyone know whats in store?

I'm not too optimistic about what ownership will do this offseason. I'm hoping they do the smart thing and let Pavano go and don't offer LoDuca and Alex Gonzalez arbitration. They should spend that $13 million saved on some quality middle relievers and a good OF or 1B.

I'm not too optimistic about what ownership will do this offseason. I'm hoping they do the smart thing and let Pavano go and don't offer LoDuca and Alex Gonzalez arbitration. They should spend that $13 million saved on some quality middle relievers and a good OF or 1B.

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and who do u suggest we replace those 3 players with...

I'm not too optimistic about what ownership will do this offseason. I'm hoping they do the smart thing and let Pavano go and don't offer LoDuca and Alex Gonzalez arbitration. They should spend that $13 million saved on some quality middle relievers and a good OF or 1B.

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Getting your facts straight is the linchpin of good posting.

 

Gonzalez is under contract for 2005. And first base is the least of the Marlins worries.

 

So much for idea of what the "smart thing" is.

I'm not too optimistic about what ownership will do this offseason. I'm hoping they do the smart thing and let Pavano go and don't offer LoDuca and Alex Gonzalez arbitration. They should spend that $13 million saved on some quality middle relievers and a good OF or 1B.

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Getting your facts straight is the linchpin of good posting.

 

Gonzalez is under contract for 2005. And first base is the least of the Marlins worries.

Gonzalez is under contract for 2005. And first base is the least of the Marlins worries.

 

 

Having a 1B that can't break an .800 OPS (Conine) is a HUGE worry, when your lineup is full of average-to-below-average offensive players (and no I'm not including Lowell or Cabrera in that remark). It's no wonder why the Marlins got shut the f*** down during the stretch run.

and who do u suggest we replace those 3 players with...

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You could replace Gonzalez and LoDuca with practically anyone. LoDuca wasn't much of an improvement over Redman. Considering the guy made $4 million, is arbitration-eligible, and is probably one of the most overrated players in baseball - I say cut him and sign Doug Mirabelli or Damian Miller for half that. Or double it and do what they should've done last year and spend the money on a catcher that's worth it - Jason Varitek.

 

Also, how hard is it to replace a shortstop that can't crack a .700 OPS or even a .300 OBP? You don't pay multi millions for that kind of paltry production, I don't care how good his defense is.

 

Pavano just isn't replaceable, even with Pavano himself. The team will just have to look for improvements from Beckett, Burnett, and Willis to make up for the loss of Pavano, or they can gamble on Derek Lowe or Jaret Wright for a little less money than they would've had to pay Pavano this offseason. If I had to honestly choose, I'd take Derek Lowe at $5-6 million/year over Pavano at $7-8 million/year despite the year that Lowe had.

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I wouldn't touch Lowe. He has been one tier above garbage his entiee career and will command too big of a contract because everyone knows his name and he had a lucky post-season. (See Josh Beckett)

and who do u suggest we replace those 3 players with...

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You could replace Gonzalez and LoDuca with practically anyone. LoDuca wasn't much of an improvement over Redman.

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i stopped reading right there.

did you forget gonzalez was offically the BEST offensive SS in the NL?

I like the Braves, but they always choke. It sucks, but thats life. Oh yea, about that gonzo loduca thing.... SO WRONG. gonzo is practically the best we have in defense. his plays are stunning.

Braves will ALWAYS choke because they never have power pitching - something you need to win in the postseason. Example A: last year's Marlins. Example B: Red Sox. You have to have guys that can get the strike out and force hitters to swing at bad pitches. That is how you control games.

 

Now, AGon is not all that bad. Sure, he hits about .230 but he has solid power numbers. Sure, less K's would be nice, too. But he gives us gold glove D. And unless the Marlins are planning on trading AGon and signing Cabrera, I dont see much of a reason to change things there.

 

Conine is not the problem at 1B. He hit pretty well down the stretch - the whole team kind of got blown out and exhausted. 3 double headers in 20 days. No day off for 27 straight games, if I remember all that correctly. We had to ask a lot of our starting rotation and throw in a 6 starter to make up for the double headers. Tough to overcome.

 

The Marlins could benefit a lot by keeping this team intact and adding a Lowe as a #4. They also have some assets to play around with. Stay tuned - this team is going to be pretty good going into next season.

Also, how hard is it to replace a shortstop that can't crack a .700 OPS or even a .300 OBP? You don't pay multi millions for that kind of paltry production, I don't care how good his defense is.

 

 

I realize Gonzalez is an enigma at the plate. The usual standard for measuring his performance really doesn't apply.

 

Did you realize that Gonzalez had the most RBIs of any NL SS? And from the back of the line up?

 

Did you realize Gonzalez had the most HRs, by far, of any NL SS?

 

Gonzalez can get real hot at times, and totally bewildered others. My take is we need someone other than Bill Robinson to bring out the consistency in him. One of these years, Gonzalez is going to break out....could be this year.

Russ "Twinkies" Ortiz filed for free agency :whistle

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Just a formality....they all file for FA.

and who do u suggest we replace those 3 players with...

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You could replace Gonzalez and LoDuca with practically anyone. LoDuca wasn't much of an improvement over Redman.

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i stopped reading right there.

did you forget gonzalez was offically the BEST offensive SS in the NL?

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yeah i stoped reading it there too, lo duca practically turned this team around not only on the field but off. Ohh.... and then theres sea bass. When can you replace the best offensive and one of the best deffensive SS with anyone?

 

hhaahhah your post was a complete joke

And I hate to point this out, but....

 

Redman = Mark Redman (Lefty pitcher from the 03 team)

Redmond = Backup catcher

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And I hate to point this out, but....

 

Redman = Mark Redman (Lefty pitcher from the 03 team)

Redmond = Backup catcher

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I especially enjoyed when the two of them were their own battery. Fun times.

i was watching a braves biased baseball show on CSS at they siad ortiz is most likely gone. the owners will stay with the same amount of payroll # wise. if the yanks fail to acquire beltran the braves might consider trading andruw jones to the yankees for bernie williams. jon thompson and jared wright are also big ifs. smoltz to some extent is a problem for them.

i stopped reading right there.

did you forget gonzalez was offically the BEST offensive SS in the NL?

 

 

By what measure was Gonzalez "officially" the best offensive SS in the NL? Offensively, he was crummy. His OPS might have been about average for a SS, but his OBP was atrocious. Those homers he hit kept his offensive production from being completely in the toilet.

 

Edgar Renteria and Nomar Gariciaparra pwned him offensively.

I wouldn't touch Lowe. He has been one tier above garbage his entiee career and will command too big of a contract because everyone knows his name and he had a lucky post-season. (See Josh Beckett)

 

 

WHAT? I wouldn't call the 2.58 ERA over 219 innings in '02 "one tier above garbage" nor the 2.63, 2.56, and 3.54 ERAs he racked up as a reliever from '99 - '01. '04 has been the only terrible year he's had since he was a rookie in '97.

SO WRONG. gonzo is practically the best we have in defense. his plays are stunning.

 

 

There are plenty of good-field/no-hit SS in the minors that we could replace him with for the league minimum salary. You don't pay $3 million+ for a guy who can't hit. That doesn't make economic sense.

I was thinking the same thing. You need to reread your posts before you click "add reply".

 

 

You need to come up with an intelligent argument before you click "add reply".

 

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