November 16, 200421 yr The Orioles are hoping to cut Jay Gibbons salary, $3M in 2004, by 20% and may end up trading him. His numbers are Encarnacion-like. But he hits lefthanded and is a good contact hitter. At worst he's another Hollandsworth. At best he adds marginal lefty power to the bottom of the order and/or a platoon partner for Conine or Willingham or Aguila or Kapler. As long as Encarnacion can pass the Orioles' psychological tests, they would most certainly take Enc and his contract off our hands for the rights to Gibbons.
November 16, 200421 yr The Orioles are hoping to cut Jay Gibbons salary, $3M in 2004, by 20% and may end up trading him. His numbers are Encarnacion-like. But he hits lefthanded and is a good contact hitter. At worst he's another Hollandsworth. At best he adds marginal lefty power to the bottom of the order and/or a platoon partner for Conine or Willingham or Aguila or Kapler. As long as Encarnacion can pass the Orioles' psychological tests, they would most certainly take Enc and his contract off our hands for the rights to Gibbons. 615337[/snapback] Why even start a thread for this loser.
November 16, 200421 yr I'm not following totally. If they're looking to cut a $3 mil salary, why would they take a $4.5 mil salary in return. If I'm the Marlins, I don't get overwhelmed by the deal, but I don't balk at it either. As you said in another thread, that $1.5 mil could go a long way this offseason. They are very similar players, but Encarnacion is better defensively and faster. Not necessarily $1.5 million better, but I'd do it, besides, Gibbons is a versatile player.
November 16, 200421 yr he had a good year in 2003.. he hit... .277 23 hr's 100 rbi's...last year he did bad he hit .246 with 10 hr's but only in 97 games....i'd probly take him over enc. because hes a lefty with just as much or more power but i dont know how his defense is
November 16, 200421 yr The Orioles are hoping to cut Jay Gibbons salary, $3M in 2004, by 20% and may end up trading him. His numbers are Encarnacion-like. But he hits lefthanded and is a good contact hitter. At worst he's another Hollandsworth. At best he adds marginal lefty power to the bottom of the order and/or a platoon partner for Conine or Willingham or Aguila or Kapler. As long as Encarnacion can pass the Orioles' psychological tests, they would most certainly take Enc and his contract off our hands for the rights to Gibbons. 615337[/snapback] Why even start a thread for this loser. 615340[/snapback] Probably because someone wants to discuss it.
November 16, 200421 yr I'd rather have him than Encarnacion.. He was injured all last year.. he's a good player.
November 16, 200421 yr I mentioned in another thread that I've been a fan of Jay Gibbons for years (in fact I believe my first post here, or one of my very first posts two years ago) was about the Marlins acquiring his services but the fact is, with the exception of 2003, he's proven to be injury prone and less productive than many (including me) thought he would. Jay would make a great bench/platoon player in the right circumstances but he's become too expensive (because of arbitration and the way it works) to sit on the bench and too often injured to take a big money (read anything above $1 million) chance on. There's plenty of other players who can fill his niche more affordably and dependably.
November 16, 200421 yr The guys a potential 30hr 100 rbi guy, hes had 100 rbis before. Scouting Report 2003 Season This former Rule 5 draftee continued to pay dividends for the Orioles. Jay Gibbons posted career highs in at-bats, doubles, RBI and batting average. It's likely his .245 batting average in September was due to a lack of stamina after two years of injuries. He made terrific strides in driving in runs as the Orioles' No. 5 hitter. Gibbons finally avoided the wrist ailments that plagued him the prior two seasons. Hitting Gibbons generates a lot of his power from mistake fastballs, especially ones thrown on the inside part of the plate. His plate discipline has improved, and he doesn't chase high fastballs as often as he did in the past. Gibbons' compact swing allows him to inside-out pitches and drive them to the left-center gap. This approach helps him hold his own against southpaws. He does a good job of studying pitchers and is very effective the third and fourth time around the batting order. Baserunning & Defense Gibbons began his career as an above-average first baseman. Over the last two seasons, he's spent most of his time in right field. He works hard on his defense and has made good progress. He aggressively charges balls hit in front of him, making spectacular catches at times. He's improved his range to nearly average, so he's no longer a liability in right. His throws are accurate, and he'll throw out runners who test his arm. He struggles at times getting to balls hit into the right-center gap because he lacks foot speed. He remains a station-to-station runner who can clog up the bases. Gibbons can go from first to third only when the ball is driven into the gap and to the wall. He rarely attempts to steal a base. 2004 Outlook Gibbons is in the prime of his career and continues to make solid progress. This should be the year he reaches the 35-homer plateau and records a batting average better than .300. If the Orioles improve at the top of the order, his run production will improve as well.
November 16, 200421 yr You have to take into account where Jay Gibbons played when looking at the hitting number. He hit 10 homers in 346 at bats.... at the yard. And he only hit .246. I'm damn sure Beinfest can do better than this guy.
November 17, 200421 yr Author I'm not sure Beinfest can. If we're going to re-sign LoDuca and Pavano or replacement, you have to move Encarnacion's contract to avoid the other luxuries we need (bullpen arm(s) and a good lefty bench bat). Few teams would be willing to give us a decent lefty slugger for Encarnacion. However Gibbons for Encarnacion is something both clubs could go for. Small risk, small reward, no loss. The Orioles get the player with the better pedigree, the Marlins the one with a slightly cheaper contract. That $1.5M difference could get us a bench bat and a middle reliever.
November 17, 200421 yr If he can have another 2003 season, then I'd take him but I don't think it's a very likely move.
November 17, 200421 yr Gibbons has some talent and potential, that became evident after the 2003 season. Last year may have been a fluke, or 2003 may have been a fluke, who knows. But this is baseball, and crazy stuff happens all the time which is why I say he's worth the risk. The reward would be much greater.
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