1% of poeple in Miami dade county went to a Marlins game on an average night last year, if you say eveyone in attendance was from Miami Dade, less otherwise.

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Sorry I meant Miami Dade and the surrounding areas.

1% of poeple in Miami dade county went to a Marlins game on an average night last year, if you say eveyone in attendance was from Miami Dade, less otherwise.

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Sorry I meant Miami Dade and the surrounding areas.

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Well then you are looking at an even smaller number. If you include Broward and Palm beach you are looking and about 0.40% of people. In otherwords last year the Marlins, on a given night, averaged 1 person in every 250 in the tri-county area at the game.

 

Also about the tv raitings. At the peak last year, opening day, 93,000 people were watching the Marlins on TV. That is the peak, a 6 point rating, the highest ever for FSN Florida. Not exactly a HUGE crowd watching the games on a nightly basis if that was the highest of the year.

1% of poeple in Miami dade county went to a Marlins game on an average night last year, if you say eveyone in attendance was from Miami Dade, less otherwise.

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Sorry I meant Miami Dade and the surrounding areas.

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Well then you are looking at an even smaller number. If you include Broward and Palm beach you are looking and about 0.40% of people. In otherwords last year the Marlins, on a given night, averaged 1 person in every 250 in the tri-county area at the game.

 

Also about the tv raitings. At the peak last year, opening day, 93,000 people were watching the Marlins on TV. That is the peak, a 6 point rating, the highest ever for FSN Florida. Not exactly a HUGE crowd watching the games on a nightly basis if that was the highest of the year.

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The ratings all year were very high and had a big jump over the last couple years. That says something, it says people are interested in the product and want to watch it.

I would hope the number of people watching would go up they were the returning champions. Isn't it kinda scewed to compare number from when they were a 500 team to when they are defending champs? Maybe we should compare the numbers to 1997, or even 1998, I bet that could get a little scary.

Then they can have a YES of the west. And I don't think MLB would let a team go out there and fall flat on their face so they would make sure they get on the TV, and I think they would get all of Nevada and maybe into a few other states, like Utah and others since there are just no teams other than Arizona, Rockies, and the west coast teams which have their own existing markets.

 

If the renevune is so bad give me one reason why MLB, ESPN and apparently Loria think this place who all think is a gold mine are wrong.

 

Can you imagine the tie in with the tuorists. Buy two tickets to the baseball game and get $50 dollars in comps at the casinos. Or all the other zillion of gimmes they can do with the right tie ins. There is a lot of money out there. The amount of jersey and non-sense they could sell.

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Your a fool plain and simple. You sound like you actually want the Marlins to move. So do you or not?

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Do you always have to be so jumpy and insult someone? Jeez.

Conine is commited to s. florida. and for the 100 th time, i hope the marlins do stay.

FSN FLORIDA HITS RECORD RATINGS

WITH FLORIDA MARLINS SEASON COVERAGE

 

 

(SUNRISE, FL) ? FSN Florida announced today that its 2004 season rating for Florida Marlins? telecasts averaged a 3.9 television household rating in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale DMA. The 2004 full season average rating matches the previous record high full season average set during the 1997 season when the Marlins won their first World Series. The 2004 season average rating also marks a 5% increase over the 2003 season average rating of 3.7 during the team?s second World Series Championship season.

 

?After winning the 2003 World Series Championship, the Marlins lived up to their commitment of putting a competitive team on the field in 2004 and Marlins? fans responded with record TV ratings and turnstile counts at the stadium,? said Jeff Genthner, Senior Vice President and General Manager, FSN Florida.

 

One rating point represents approximately 15,500 television households in the Miami/Fort Lauderdale DMA, which consists of Dade, Broward and Monroe Counties.

 

FSN Florida reaches over 5 million households in Florida. FSN Florida?s programming includes Major League Baseball?s Florida Marlins and Tampa Bay Devil Rays, the National Hockey League?s Florida Panthers, the University of Miami, The Best Damn Sports Show Period, I, Max, The Sports List and NASCAR. FSN Florida is managed by Rainbow Sports Networks.

 

Rainbow Sports Networks is a division of Rainbow Media Holdings LLC, a subsidiary of Cablevision Systems Corporation (NYSE:CVC). FSN reaches more than 81 million households nationwide and is a service of National Sports Partners, equally owned by Rainbow Media Holdings LLC and Fox Entertainment Group. Rainbow Sports Networks incorporates Rainbow's 50% ownership in FSN and FSN National Advertising and the ownership and management of FSN regional networks in five of the nation's largest markets: Chicago, San Francisco, New England, Ohio and Florida.

 

 

Marlins averaged a 3.9. That would be 60,450 people a night in Miami-Dade, Broward, and Monroe (Keys) Counties. All other TV Markets in Florida, except Tampa Bay, can't be measured for Marlins games.

 

So now use the formula of people watching by TV households in market....and you get:

 

60,450 watched/1,496,810 possible = 4.03%

 

Not bad for it being a cable channel.

 

For comparison:

From November's sweeps for some newscasts

5pm

WFOR - 4.2

WTVJ - 1.6

WSVN - 5.3

WPLG - 1.9

 

5:30pm

 

WFOR - 3.9

WTVJ - 1.4

WSVN - 5.8

WPLG - 2.4

 

6pm

 

WFOR - 3.7

WTVJ - 2.1

WSVN - 4.8

WPLG - 2.4

 

10pm

 

WSVN - 4.1

UPN33 - 1.8

WB39 - 2.2

 

11pm

 

WFOR - 6.2

WTVJ - 5.1

WSVN - 3.3

WPLG - 4.0

 

 

WFOR made a killing this book too.

60,450 watched/1,496,810 possible = 4.03%

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Where do you get the 1.5 million number?

 

Okay so I want to point something out. You averaged 60,500 people watching the game every night and averaged 22,000 in attendance. That means 82,500 watched an average Marlin game on any given home night.

 

 

82,500/5,200,991 (population in tri county area) = 1.5%

 

That means in the tri county area for every 1000 people 15 of them watched a Marlins game either in attendance or on TV on a given night. 15 out of 1000! Thats not including all the other markets they are on TV in. Add in the population of Monroe county and the neighbors to the north and you are looking at 1%. So 1% of the south florida population has an intrest in the marlins night in night out.

 

Last I checked there are more than 82,500 people in Vegas, a lot more than that, so I think you could say the Marlins could get more attention than 82,500 on a nightly basis in Vegas. Vegas is a major city, a metropolis, they would have lots of nationally televised games, getting a crowd bigger than 82,500.

 

How many teams struggle to get 1% of their populations intrest on a given night? I doubt many.

Where do you get the 1.5 million number?

 

From the Nielsen DMA stats that I posted above visit the link if you please.

 

 

Okay so I want to point something out.? You averaged 60,500 people watching the game every night and averaged 22,000 in attendance.? That means 82,500 watched an average Marlin game on any given home night.

 

 

82,500/5,200,991 (population in tri county area) = 1.5%

 

That means in the tri county area for every 1000 people 15 of them watched a Marlins game either in attendance or on TV on a given night.? 15 out of 1000!? Thats not including all the other markets they are on TV in.? Add in the population of Monroe county and the neighbors to the north and you are looking at 1%.? So 1% of the south florida population has an intrest in the marlins night in night out.

 

Last I checked there are more than 82,500 people in Vegas, a lot more than that, so I think you could say the Marlins could get more attention than 82,500 on a nightly basis in Vegas.? Vegas is a major city, a metropolis, they would have lots of nationally televised games, getting a crowd bigger than 82,500.?

 

How many teams struggle to get 1% of their populations intrest on a given night? I doubt many.

 

Go try any of the New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Bay Area, or Texas teams with large Metro Populations and see their percentages.

 

You are arguing over something you do not know of and have no f***ing idea on how it works.

Should your name be PhinPhan or PhilsPhan? I would PM Admin and have it changed because right now, you fit those descriptions better.

 

You look at the forest and see NO DAMN TREES!

From the Nielsen DMA stats that I posted above visit the link if you please.

 

Go try any of the New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Bay Area, or Texas teams with large Metro Populations and see their percentages.

 

Should your name be PhinPhan or PhilsPhan? I would PM Admin and have it changed because right now, you fit those descriptions better.

 

You look at the forest and see NO DAMN TREES!

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There is no link above, you only quoted the article.

 

Where can I find what their TV ratings were during the season and I'll be happy to look.

 

And I am just trying to see what Loria could be looking at if he is looking at a move. I think it is kinda disheartening when you have the attention of 1% of your population on a nightly basis.

From the Nielsen DMA stats that I posted above visit the link if you please.

 

Go try any of the New York, Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Bay Area, or Texas teams with large Metro Populations and see their percentages.

 

Should your name be PhinPhan or PhilsPhan? I would PM Admin and have it changed because right now, you fit those descriptions better.

 

You look at the forest and see NO DAMN TREES!

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There is no link above, you only quoted the article.

 

Where can I find what their TV ratings were during the season and I'll be happy to look.

 

And I am just trying to see what Loria could be looking at if he is looking at a move. I think it is kinda disheartening when you have the attention of 1% of your population on a nightly basis.

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1% is only relative because nobody has a stadium that can hold 1% of their population.

 

The link is provided and I will repost it for you here: http://www.lostremote.com/story/nielsen_markets_2004.htm

Heck, my market will soon pass Las Vegas :lol

 

51 Las Vegas 614,150 0.560

68 Ft. Myers-Naples 444,130 0.405

So you want to see what "real baseball" towns get.

 

 

Well lets see New York Yankees:

 

the Yankees' 4.6 cable ratings (339,309 TV households) this past season.

 

so, 339,309/7,355,710 = 4.6% which is greater than the Marlins 4.03%. The numbers are from the 2002 season, so the ratings might be higher, or lower, but they were from the newest article I can find.

 

And can you believe what else I could find, THE YANKEES SELL MORE TICKETS THAN THE MARLINS! Can you believe they averaged 46,100 in attendance last year per night?

 

So you add the average number of people who watched it on tv and the number in attendance you get about 386,000 people watching yankee baseball on any given night, a lot more than the Marlins 82,500.

 

Accordining to the census the population of new york city is 8,008,000.

 

So 386,000/8,008,000 = 4.8% of Yankee population watching the Yankees any given night. Who cares they have the Mets right there are nearly 5 times more the percenatage of their population was watching the Yankees on a given night than the Marlins!

 

So how does this help your arguement?

 

Go try any of the New York [...] with large Metro Populations and see their percentages.

 

You are arguing over something you do not know of and have no f***ing idea on how it works.

 

So I did. And look the Yankees get 4.8% of the population versus the Marlins 1%.

 

I think you should PM Admin asap and ask to change your name to Mr. Asinine, because your arguements are pointless, you have no idea what you are talking about.

PhinPhan keeps trying to push across a point and it doesn't work. The Marlins ratings are good. The attendance will improve, but what the team needs are skybox, concession, and parking revenues. If the Marlins had a fair lease at PPS, they would easily turn a profit even with 10k a night! corporate support is high and that money goes to wayne, that is the problem.

 

they are not moving to las vegas.

PhinPhan, there is no reason to leave Miami even if they draw 20k at the new ballpark because the luxury suites and sold out box seats would be payed for by companies. Office Depot, Maroone, Bellsouth, Coca-Cola, all the local tv stations, Carnival, etc. all have PPS skyboxes and/or box club seats.

 

This is what the business of baseball is now. Get that money and you could draw 10k and survive with a profit.

PhishPhan=Hooray for Las Vegas.

 

 

 

 

Everyone else=f*** you Las Vegas

PhishPhan=Hooray for Las Vegas.

 

 

 

 

Everyone else=f*** you Las Vegas

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Yup, he wants to see the team move.

But you are missing the point Cape. Real baseball towns stimulate more intrest than 1% of their population. You told me to prove it and I did. Real baseball towns get about 5% of their population every night.

 

Put the Marlins in Vegas and if they get 5% of the attention like a baseball town gives their team, guess what, that 82,500 number they get here is easily dwarfed even in a smaller market. And who knows where they'd put the Marlins on TV out there. In Vegas, maybe Reno too, add in Albequrque, you get a rather sizeable media market pretty quickly.

 

The Marlins have currently the cheapest tickets in the MLB, and if the team builds a new stadium ticket prices will have to go up, I don't see how that will help get new fans.

But you are missing the point Cape. Real baseball towns stimulate more intrest than 1% of their population. You told me to prove it and I did. Real baseball towns get about 5% of their population every night.

 

Put the Marlins in Vegas and if they get 5% of the attention like a baseball town gives their team, guess what, that 82,500 number they get here is easily dwarfed even in a smaller market. And who knows where they'd put the Marlins on TV out there. In Vegas, maybe Reno too, add in Albequrque, you get a rather sizeable media market pretty quickly.

 

The Marlins have currently the cheapest tickets in the MLB, and if the team builds a new stadium ticket prices will have to go up, I don't see how that will help get new fans.

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you proved nothing. Las Vegas is not good enough to have an NBA or NFL team, MLB requires more money and support than either sport. This was a bluff. Las Vegas could talk in 15 years, but by then the Marlins will have reached some conclusion.

 

This was a ploy to tell the state politicians who are backcountry obstructionists to hurry up and get this done in March. Don't read so literally into things and look at how baseball works. Attendance being low doesn't mean a thing if the team has corporate support and a good facility to draw revenue from. The D-Rays won't move because of their lease. It runs out in 2027 and they profit from 50% of non-gameday field revenues. Concerts, Parties, Meetings, Bar Mitzvahs, Baptisms, etc. D-Rays get 50% of the cut from the City/County.

 

Estimates put them at a $1 million profit after everything is said and done.

PhishPhan=Hooray for Las Vegas.

 

 

 

 

Everyone else=f*** you Las Vegas

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Yup, he wants to see the team move.

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I love that you talk for me. You should be my unpaid secretary to answer all these tough questions.

 

 

But if you go look back at my first post in this thread I am not arguing that the Marlins should move, because I don't want them to move. I just don't like hearing people say this is all a bluff because a move makes no sense. I am just trying to prove it does make sense and someone who is a business man like Loria could see it as an oppurunity.

Comparing Yanks and Marlins is slightly different. Yanks have a huge following. Get the numbers for Oakland, KC, Texas. Those teams. See what their numbers are.

 

You are assuming everyone in Vegas is going to watch these games or go to them. What makes you think that? Their minor league baseball team drew less than 50% capacity last year and 30th in AAA average attendance.

Actually as of the recent ticket price changes, I believe the Marlins are no longer the cheapest tickets in Baseball.

PhishPhan=Hooray for Las Vegas.

 

 

 

 

Everyone else=f*** you Las Vegas

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Yup, he wants to see the team move.

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I love that you talk for me. You should be my unpaid secretary to answer all these tough questions.

 

 

But if you go look back at my first post in this thread I am not arguing that the Marlins should move, because I don't want them to move. I just don't like hearing people say this is all a bluff because a move makes no sense. I am just trying to prove it does make sense and someone who is a business man like Loria could see it as an oppurunity.

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There is no chance in Las Vegas. There is no market for it. The population is not there to support it. TV revenue would be the worst value of out the 30 teams and many minor league teams. We have minor league teams affiliated with the Marlins in bigger markets than Las Vegas. Should the Isotopes be replaced with a Major League team?

See that is why Miami is such a good market. With less than 2% of the population, you can support a major league team and make it lucrative. You just need the proper facility because the Marlins already have the corporate support.

 

In Las Vegas you are going to need almost 5-7% and someone to drop money bags for TV and Radio revenues which can be about 10% of a team's revenue.