Yea but thats Becketts start. He wants to start then let him. He is suppose to start. He has a reason to be mad. I kow they want to save his future but i hink he should make the start....

Okay I'm the idiot.

 

I'm the one who said, in passing, that if Josh continues to have the problems he's having with blisters, etc., PERHAPS, until his body matures a bit more, in the heat of a pennant race, IF we pick up another starter, it might be feasible to use Josh a couple of times a week in relief.

 

Lots of "ifs" and "maybes" and "mights" but I stand by what I said. You aren't going to send a Josh Beckett down, the same goes for Cabrera BTW, they deserve to be part of the team. But if we land JuanGon (no I'm not starting that argument up again) the odd man out in the starting lineup is Miguel. he'll get plenty of playing time backing up Lowell, the leftfielder, maybe even AGon at SS.

 

Hmmm, funny as I write this, isn't that Josh Beckett in the game in RELIEF? :whistle

 

I rest my case.

Hes in relief because its the series before the all-star break. a lot of times, starters who arent pitching in the final series before the all-star break will go into relief because otherwise they could go a long time without pitching. teams have nothing to lose by doing this and its helps the pitchers stay fresh. I dont think this foretells anything for the second half.

Of course that's true Ross, I just couldn't resist when I looked up from the keyboard and saw Josh in the game.

 

I don't KNOW that it fortells anything, nor am I suggesting it. But I do believe if we pick up another starter, Josh, with his health issues may be relegated to the pen. Mckeon wants to win, NOW, he'd be unafraid to make such a move if he thought it would help the Fish win the wildcard and not destroy Josh's magic arm.

Befre we go out and get anoher starter we need to find someone with Good power, and some Relief pitching. If we ge that we would for sure catch up in the standings....

Sorry, I'm back. Rains got here so quickly and lights, phone, and everything else went. Got almost 5 inches in 3 hours.

 

Someone here previously stated that the trusted the man with the blister to whether he could play or not, well this man with the blister has not told the coaches and management of injuries he has had and played thorugh them. Are you guys Jeff Torborg clones? No need to make him work extendedly when you have a healthy Willis.

 

Jack McKeon's job is to give this team the best chance to win he can, if he starts Beckett instead of Willis, he isn't doing his job.

 

Nice to see Beckett pitch tonight, but he did allow a baserunner. Let him rest, it won't hurt anyone.

Another thing,

 

Have any of you ever had blisters on your fingers? I have them frequently and I can tell you, there is no way of preventing, getting rid of, treating, or living with them. They can hurt if you use your hands too much like pitching, writing with a pencil, typing, or touching hard things.

 

Best thing to do is rest the affected area for two or three days and it will go away after your body starts treating it.

lol...find one starter available that is good enough to merit sending Beckett into the pen. Oh yeah, if Beckett goes to the pen, I guess that means Penny and Pavano (and Redman) are better pitchers than him. Or else they would be sent to the pen first.

lol...find one starter available that is good enough to merit sending Beckett into the pen. Oh yeah, if Beckett goes to the pen, I guess that means Penny and Pavano (and Redman) are better pitchers than him. Or else they would be sent to the pen first.

They're not sending Beckett to the pen because they think the others are better than him! Wake up and smell the coffee... Beckett has a blister that bothers him, but he's denying it. They probably put him in one inning to see if he could really pitch or not - that's all!

blisters form when you have no calcuses(sp).

 

 

once you get a good calcus(sp) formed, you are good to go generally.

They're not sending Beckett to the pen because they think the others are better than him! Wake up and smell the coffee... Beckett has a blister that bothers him, but he's denying it. They probably put him in one inning to see if he could really pitch or not - that's all!

Wake up and smell what coffee? How do you know Josh Beckett so well? How do you know that his calouses are worse than he says they are? Yall are trained to think that if you hear "Beckett" and "blister" that it's serious.

 

Like I said earlier...I'll believe the man with the blister before I believe a single soul on this board!

MMMM...this java sure do smell goooooooood.

 

Look, McKeon likes Josh and sees he's competitor with some nasty stuff. Jack will do what's right for Josh and the team, and if that means Josh starts, so be it. If it means Josh starts getting a blister every time he goes past three innnings Jack will make another decision.

 

I have infinite confidence in McKeon doing what it takes to contend for a wildcard spot.

as do I.

 

What I dont understand is people who think they really know what is going on with the players, when in actuality, they know jack sh*t. Beckett knows what his blisters feel like. No one on this board has even seen the blister, much less seen it in person, and no one has the blister, and no one knows what it feels like when throwing a 95+ MPH fastball.

 

So, dont say crap like "Beckett has a blister that bothers him, but he's denying it" or "Willis is modest, Beckett is a spoiled brat. Why you may ask? Because Willis has had to work his way up, Beckett made his way up on buzz" or "i dunno why ya sticking up 4 Beckett he has potrayed an Image of looking like a spoiled Brat".

 

None of us know Beckett personally. Yall assume way too much.

FurmanGator, why do you keep saying they are going to put Beckett in the bullpen? They may just work him out of the pen like they did saturday to get him some work, he doesn't need to do extended work, he should rest.

I know they wont put him in the pen. People say they might put him in the pen.

 

The original topic was that people (ahem Odom) thought that Beckett was being a whiny biotch for wanting to start. And what I think is that: a) I understand where Beckett is coming from and b) I understand what McKeon is doing.

 

Then people started saying that maybe he should be moved to the pen. Well if he aint gonna start till after the break, sure use him out of the pen. But people are saying that he needs to be SENT to the pen (or insinuating that he needs to) so he can gain confidence or whatever B.S.

 

I am all for Beckett being used in the pen until the break...because he aint starting. Heck, use Pavano too if needed! But definitely dont put him in there after the break. Our rotation needs to come out with a BANG! Beckett, Willis, Penny (has had a few good outings lately...that grandslam was the only thing last start that was bad), Pavano, and Red.

 

Also, this B.S. about his blisters being worse than HE SAYS THEY ARE? Who the f*** knows what his blisters are like! Jimminy Crickets!

Furmangator, I believe I started the whole "Josh to the pullpen thing" and the point I've tried to make was that Jack will do what is best for Josh and the team.

 

As for implication that we (me) are clueless and uninformed is insulting, whether you meant to be or not. My comments are based on what I've read and I can source almost any comment I make. I don't just throw stuff out there without thinking.

 

Luckily we have a manager now who likes to give clues as to what he's thinking by using the press as the 26th man on the team. If we piece together Jack's comments, he is not adverse to moving any starting pitcher to the pen if he thinks it will help the team. Clearly we aren't going with a four man rotation, in order for this scenario to play itself out another 1st quality starter would have to be added to the roster.

 

You have all the right in the world to disagree but I believe it may be in Josh's best interest to go to the pen if things play out as described above. Without repeating myself too much, he may need another season to toughen up that finger, the same way it took Mike Lowell more than a season to really recover from his setback (obviously much much worse a situation).

can you source the idea that Beckett needs another year to toughen up his finger? And I sure hope you dont mean testicular cancer when talking about "Lowell's setback".

 

Please source. And I do not intend to insult you. You seem like a very intelligent Marlins fan, and I definitely enjoy discussing Marlins baseball with you. But I really don't think you, me, or anyone else has enough knowledge about Beckett's blister. Beckett says it isnt bad. Who are we to disagree?

can you source the idea that Beckett needs another year to toughen up his finger? And I sure hope you dont mean testicular cancer when talking about "Lowell's setback".

 

Please source. And I do not intend to insult you. You seem like a very intelligent Marlins fan, and I definitely enjoy discussing Marlins baseball with you. But I really don't think you, me, or anyone else has enough knowledge about Beckett's blister. Beckett says it isnt bad. Who are we to disagree?

If Jack McKeon and the team coaches and doctors decide it is better to bench him and let Willis start, then who are we to second guess them? They are the experts, not the pitcher who has the blister.

As I said in a previous post, I understand where McKeon is coming from. I dont 2nd guess him. I 2nd guess anyone on this board who thinks they know more about the blister than Beckett. I 2nd guess anyone who thinks Beckett is a baby for wanting to pitch.

 

I definitely dont 2nd guess McKeon. I mean, Beckett or Willis. If you had the choice, this season, I (and everyone else) would pick Willis.

As I said in a previous post, I understand where McKeon is coming from. I dont 2nd guess him. I 2nd guess anyone on this board who thinks they know more about the blister than Beckett. I 2nd guess anyone who thinks Beckett is a baby for wanting to pitch.

I think they meant that Beckett is acting like a baby and complaining to the press that Jack benched him for Willis because he had a blister.

 

If that is the case, then Beckett is being a baby, there is no need for him to pitch injured when you have a healthy Willis. (A blister is an injury)

 

He needs to stop crying and start working on taking care of his blister issue.

who says he's crying. Sounded like he was being competitive. Any pro athlete would think that. He's just honest enough to say it when asked. He was probably asked, "how do you feel about Willis pitching instead of you?" He answered by telling how he felt. I would have felt the same way. Any competitive player would say the same thing. I commend him for his honesty. It is a lost trait in today's society.

who says he's crying. Sounded like he was being competitive. Any pro athlete would think that. He's just honest enough to say it when asked. He was probably asked, "how do you feel about Willis pitching instead of you?" He answered by telling how he felt. I would have felt the same way. Any competitive player would say the same thing. I commend him for his honesty. It is a lost trait in today's society.

Who would he be competing against? Wilis? He is part of a team, and there is no I in team. He beter stop taking internal matters and disagreement swith Jack to the press. It sounds like whining.

who says he's crying. Sounded like he was being competitive. Any pro athlete would think that. He's just honest enough to say it when asked. He was probably asked, "how do you feel about Willis pitching instead of you?" He answered by telling how he felt. I would have felt the same way. Any competitive player would say the same thing. I commend him for his honesty. It is a lost trait in today's society.

Everyone is competitive... teenage guys that race each other and end up dying in a car accident are over-competitive. Although Beckett obviously is far from a life/death situation, it is still analogous to the aforementioned overcompetitive nature. I don't think he's competing with anyone on the team, though. I just think he's pushing himself because he doesn't want to be left out. He's competing against himself, in my opinion.

 

You're right - no one here knows exactly what's going on. That doesn't mean we can't have our stipulations. However, what I think seems to be the case here is that the managerial staff is playing it safe with him, so that he doesn't overwork himself. It's the same reason a manager would take a pitcher out of the game after throwing too many pitches - so as not to overwork him and/or possibly cause or make an injury worse.

 

Then again, we're all just fanatics on here - so obsessed with the team, that we think we're part of it. Is it really that big of a deal for us to act like we know the players on a personal level? :whistle

 

Things shouldn't be taken so seriously! :unsure :

no no no no. Not competing against Marlin players. He is a competitor. A competitor wants to win. He is confident that his stuff is good enough to win.

 

I'm sorry that came across that he was competing against Marlins. I am talking about, he wants to compete against the Expos. I'm sure he is anxious to get another start after that terrible outing last start.

I think Josh should take the advice of Jack and sit it out. Jeff let him play and look what happened.