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Most Marlin fans are idiots.

What's idiotic? That Willis gives us a better chance to win the game on Sunday than Beckett? It's true that Beckett has good stuff, but you have to face reality.

Most Marlin fans are idiots.

Who are you implying? :blink:

My comments have nothing to do with Willis starting.

 

 

My comments stem from those that think Beckett needs to go to the pen.

 

 

At least in this topic.

 

 

However the most Marlin fans are idiots stretches across all areas. I don't think I need to point out each idiot to people. Its fairly easy to determine.

My comments have nothing to do with Willis starting.

 

 

My comments stem from those that think Beckett needs to go to the pen.

 

 

At least in this topic.

 

 

However the most Marlin fans are idiots stretches across all areas. I don't think I need to point out each idiot to people. Its fairly easy to determine.

Beckett in the bullpen is not going to happen, but Penny or Pavano might, to strengthen our bullpen during the run if we can't add another bullpen arm. We can move Phelps to the rotation and/or aquire another starter. Just if we want to reinforce our pitching.

However the most Marlin fans are idiots stretches across all areas. I don't think I need to point out each idiot to people. Its fairly easy to determine.

I have a good idea of who...

 

I think there's a 95% chance I'm not one of them... But everyone is an ignorant fool compared to Das...

And oh yes.

 

 

How old is Beckett?

 

 

Let's give up on him now. He has had a chance to prove himself, he hasnt been an all star he is wasted talent.

 

 

Some of you are so idiotic you will never find intelligence.

I have a good idea of who...

 

I think there's a 95% chance I'm not one of them... But everyone is an ignorant fool compared to Das...

That's not what I said is it?

Beckett in the bullpen is not going to happen, but Penny or Pavano might, to strengthen our bullpen during the run if we can't add another bullpen arm. We can move Phelps to the rotation and/or aquire another starter. Just if we want to reinforce our pitching.

Cape, you are one of the nicest, smartst, most logical guys here, but why the hell would we move either Penny or Pavano to the pen for Phelps?

That's not what I said is it?

That's what i said...

 

My personal opinion...

I say rest Beckett and let that blister go away. It isn't worth it risking him having a problem with the blister when you can have Dontrelle pitch healthy. It's not an emergency situation.

Cape, you are one of the nicest, smartst, most logical guys here, but why the hell would we move either Penny or Pavano to the pen for Phelps?

We need guys with good stuff in the bullpen. PEnny and/or Pavano can pitch a few innings, but when they go too long they can get in trouble. In the bullpen the max innings they would pitch would be 2 or 3.

 

Phelps would have to start to replace one of them. It would be to sure up the bullpen, Phelps has shown he is a good starter.

I think seeing Wilis come up to the majors and dominating have made some of YOU spoiled brats. You have to face reality, Beckett is a kid and the majority of kids go through their ups and downs. It happened with Burnett plenty of times before he finally broke out. not many come up like Willis did, or Prior, and just totally dominate at such a young age. It's unfair to Beckett to EXPECT him to pitch that way.

 

Beckett has alot of desire and just WANTS TO HELP THE TEAM WIN, He wants to pitch, and feel like he's doing his part helping the team succeed. He's had some tough luck with the injuries but over time he'll work around it. Even suggesting to demote Beckett to the bullpen because he hasn't developed into an ace at 23 years old is beyond ridiculous.

Penny would not be good out of the bullpen, because it's known that he gets his stuff going after a few innings. Pavano on the otheer hand would be a very good bullpen pitcher, because he is great very early on. BUT, you would rather get 6-7 quality innings from Pavano as a starter than 2-3 quality innings as a reliever.

I think seeing Wilis come up to the majors and dominating have made some of YOU spoiled brats. You have to face reality, Beckett is a kid and the majority of kids go through their ups and downs. It happened with Burnett plenty of times before he finally broke out. not many come up like Willis did, or Prior, and just totally dominate at such a young age. It's unfair to Beckett to EXPECT him to pitch that way.

 

Beckett has alot of desire and just WANTS TO HELP THE TEAM WIN, He wants to pitch, and feel like he's doing his part helping the team succeed. He's had some tough luck with the injuries but over time he'll work around it. Even suggesting to demote Beckett to the bullpen because he hasn't developed into an ace at 23 years old is beyond ridiculous.

Beckett pitching tomorrow, with the blister, when you have Willis who is healthy and rested is not smart. If he wants to help the team win, he should follow the directions of his manager, who has helped bring the success while he was on the DL.

 

Torborg would pitch Beckett, look what has happened in the past with that. I support Jack 100% in benching Beckett Sunday.

 

Beckett, i repeat, shouldn't and won't go in the bullpen unless we have a dire emergency with Looper, Urbina, and Pavano unable to pitch.

Penny would not be good out of the bullpen, because it's known that he gets his stuff going after a few innings. Pavano on the otheer hand would be a very good bullpen pitcher, because he is great very early on. BUT, you would rather get 6-7 quality innings from Pavano as a starter than 2-3 quality innings as a reliever.

You never know what pitching one inning a day for 6-7 days a week can do to him. He may develop a groove that lets him have the good stuff every day. It's baseball, anything can happen.

 

I'd rather see Pavano in the pen before Penny though.

I think seeing Wilis come up to the majors and dominating have made some of YOU spoiled brats. You have to face reality, Beckett is a kid and the majority of kids go through their ups and downs. It happened with Burnett plenty of times before he finally broke out. not many come up like Willis did, or Prior, and just totally dominate at such a young age. It's unfair to Beckett to EXPECT him to pitch that way.

 

Beckett has alot of desire and just WANTS TO HELP THE TEAM WIN, He wants to pitch, and feel like he's doing his part helping the team succeed. He's had some tough luck with the injuries but over time he'll work around it. Even suggesting to demote Beckett to the bullpen because he hasn't developed into an ace at 23 years old is beyond ridiculous.

Great post.

 

I honestly think Beckett IS an ace. the telling stat to his very bright future is that in his entire career in the majors, he has many more K's than IP. That's dominance.

2-3 good innings as a reliever a night can be helpful. He may pitch 6-7 good innings as a starter, but giving up a 2 run homer to Sammy in the 8th because our pen sucks puts it to waste and doesn't give us the win.

Most Marlin fans are idiots.

so true

Penny would not be good out of the bullpen, because it's known that he gets his stuff going after a few innings.

 

Is there evidence to support this?

Isn't it wonderful we can argue who is the bigger ace of our staff

but giving up a 2 run homer to Sammy in the 8th because our pen sucks puts it to waste and doesn't give us the win.

There will be no more of that now that Urbina is here, I guarentee you.

There will be no more of that now that Urbina is here, I guarentee you.

I certainly hope so. But you must plan for just in case.

Is there evidence to support this?

Yes. His fastball for about the first 2-3 innings is around 91-93, but after that starts to get up into 94-96. Also, early in his games he'll usually struggle with control of his curve, where he will gain it back in the later innings. The same thing applies to Beckett, except when Beckett can't get the curve over early in the game he has the great change to fall back on, when Peny doesn't.

Let me get the split stats on penny, brb