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  1. i thought this was an Onion article when i first read it.
  2. that would be a really good trade for the marlins. plus players at shortstop and center field. marisnick sucks. cishek is solid but a shortstop and centerfielder are way more valuable than a reliever. only real gamble is nicolino, and nobody rates him as an A+ prospect anyway. but it won't happen.
  3. Sounds like you won't have any issues with sample bias! lol.
  4. I think its going to be bad. Very bad. Watching a few guys develop is great on a team that is OK. But we are going to get s*** on all the time. Loss after loss. So seeing eovaldi move to the pen, hechevarria make some defensive plays, all of the singles this team will hit and Anderson Perez getting knocked around isn't going to be exciting. Its going to suck. Its going to be like watching a dog turd turn white in the sun. eovaldi managed to stay in the rotation, but otherwise, pretty spot on.
  5. I just believe that if you tend to be more aggressive at the plate, you're going to put the ball IN PLAY more often. based on this sentence, i don't think you know what LD% is (even though it's already been defined in this thread).
  6. At this point, a Marlin fan has to root for historic failure. Ownership cannot justify a fire sale (especially one that doesn't generate the best prospects in baseball in return) by claiming that there is no difference between finishing last with a league-average payroll and finishing last with a league-lowest payroll. A '62 Mets-like season will bring out some sort of real reaction (ranging from the firing of Beinfest and Hill to potential intervention by Selig or the players union). these echo my sentiments, though i would add that the fundamental problem is loria himself; removing beinfest and hill would be to treat the symptoms and not the disease. but i agree that the best hope for marlin fans is a year (or two) of historically poor on-field performance coupled with a year (or two) of abysmally low attendance, to serve as the impetus for loria's removal. of course, even that's no guarantee that he can be forced/cajoled/coaxed/persuaded to leave. but the fact remains, this team cannot succeed with him steering the ship. he has poisoned his relationship with fans and players (and managers), and you simply cannot produce a successful product when that relationship is severed. that the remaining fans engage in earnest discussion about the haul the marlins could receive for stanton--a 23-year-old phenom who hasn't even hit his arbitration years--is as telltale a sign as any that this team has no future. the thread on when we're going to be competitive again is amusing. "2015. no, 2016." this year will mark the tenth year in a row the marlins will miss the postseason, and still the true believers think playoff contention is just around the corner. the foundation is rotted. you need to knock it down and start from scratch (and by that i don't mean another firesale).
  7. 1.66 runs per game--our current average--would actually be the worst in baseball history.
  8. worried about what? the marlins postseason hopes?
  9. so you legitimately believe the marlins will finish ahead of the braves? i will give you 10 to 1 odds. if braves finish with a better record than the marlins, you pay me $100. if marlins finish with a better record than the braves, i'll pay you $1,000. since you're dead serious, this should be a no-brainer for you. let me know if you're interested. Unlike others I'll put my money where my mouth is. So I'm going to have a nice steak dinner instead. Bragging rights, fine. But I don't bet money anymore. Bad habit. At the beginning of the year I believed the braves didn't have the hitting or the pitching, they've proven me wrong but let's see after the Dorset two months where they are. I saw the marlins pitching keeping them ahead of the braves. The braves hitting I feel will be too much all or nothing for my tastes w the uptons and Uggla. If your adamant well do a $20 and $200 bet, and Admin holds the money starting today.lame.
  10. Braves did what they're supposed to do which is take care of a much weaker team. But Piazza31 told me that the Marlins will finish ahead of the Braves this season.I still think they will, and I also said the pitching wasnt as bad as you thought. Give me credit where it's due, the starting pitching has been good, if not great. Better by leaps and bounds then last year at this point.You can't be serious. They've played a week's worth of games. That sampling size is so minuscule that it can be no means considered an indicator of how well the pitching will perform over the long run--good or bad.Dead. Serious. Cue "The Who" Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh so you legitimately believe the marlins will finish ahead of the braves? i will give you 10 to 1 odds. if braves finish with a better record than the marlins, you pay me $100. if marlins finish with a better record than the braves, i'll pay you $1,000. since you're dead serious, this should be a no-brainer for you. let me know if you're interested.
  11. penguino and spike, i give credit to you guys; you've been very level-headed and logical in explaining in detail why this team is not at all reminiscent of the 2006 team. but the homers on this board are True Believers. let the season play out. six months from now, it'll be clear who was correct.
  12. Here, in 2013, Chris Coghlan is left-handed, and a center fielder. Those are some of the best things you can say about him. He's not a center-fielder. He has no position. But he is left handed. He never got to play his natural position and think that hurt him some, you can add lomo to that list as well. the funny part is that there's no reason why they can't platoon him at his natural position right now. instead they play him at a position that he can't play so he can share at-bats with a guy who's better than him both defensively and offensively--even against righties.
  13. it's the front page story on Yahoo. headline: Surprising roster move reeks of desperation yahoo is stealing my stuff.
  14. The Standard Operating Procedure from day 1 with this FO has been to wait on starting the clock. Now suddenly that is not an issue apparently. This is just another example of a FO that is desperate and changing course once again. It seems as if there is very little direction, just reactions and no set plan. this. reeks of desperation. but it all logically follows from their off-season rhetoric. loria's message to the fans all off-season has been, "listen, you idiots, we needed to make these trades to get better." and then you have samson spouting off "you may not know the players but you'll know the wins", guaranteeing they'd finish better than last season's team, and saying "yeah, we didn't make great decisions in the past, but trust us to make the right decisions now." then two-fifths of the rotation goes down, and lomo is out until june. they are panicking and trying to save face. they desperately want to finish better than last season's team because they spouted off a whole lot of bs about how they had to make trades and this'll be better for the team and we'll be better than last year blah blah blah, and they know if they finish worse than last year they'll look like (even bigger) morons. this move was made in the hopes that they'll win 70 games as opposed to 67. because of their defiant we-know-best-and-you-fans-would-see-that-if-you-weren't-such-idiots attitude, the marlins put themselves in an awkward spot where they are paradoxically in both rebuilding mode and win-now mode. "very little direction" is accurate.
  15. that is the worst rotation in the majors.
  16. Here's my facts- James Shields- Big Game James Over the last three years- 226 Average Innings pitched 33 Games a Year 3rd in Cy Young Voting, 16th in MVP Voting in 2011 11 Complete Games in 2011, 3 in 2012 3.66 ERA Average including his 5.18 ERA in 2010. 2.82 ERA in 2011, 3.52 in 2012 Owed 9 mill in 2013 and 12 million option in 2014 http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shielja02.shtml R.A. Dickey- Raw Dickey Over the last three years- 31 games a year 2.95 ERA Average 205 innings pitched average 2.84, 3.28 and 2.78 each year. 20 game winner on a shitty team last year 2012 reigning cy young winner 174, 208, and 233 innings the last three years Owed 5 Mil in 2013, 13Mil in both 2014, 2015 http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/shielja02.shtml Josh Johnson- JJ 2.58 ERA last three years (only started 9 games in 2011) Last 3 Full Seasons, 3.11 (2009,2010,2012) 145 innings 3 year average, 183 in 2010, and 191 last year. 2010, 5th in CY young, 25th in MVP One Complete game in last three years, 4 for his career. Owed 13.75 Million in the final year of his contract. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsjo09.shtml Mark Buerhle- 205 inning pitched average last three years 3.87 ERA average the last three years 32 games a year average 3 Complete games in 2010, 1 in 2012 Three Gold Gloves, no votes for Cy Young, MVP or ASG appearances the last three years. Owed 11 Million in 2013, 18 Million in 2014, and 19 Million in 2015 http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/buehrma01.shtml Now, HOW THE HELL ARE JOSH JOHNSON AND MARK BUERHLE AS GOOD AS JAMES SHIELDS AND RA DICKEY? Dickey and Shields are once again, better, cheaper and signed for better contract than JJ or Buerhle. Theres your facts, ****face, eh? didn't realize i was talking to a 12-year-old kid. this will be my last post in this thread. here's the part that you can't seem to grasp. your individual comparisons are meaningless. the marlins did not give up johnson, buerhle, and reyes in separate trades. all three went to toronto. last year, these three players combined for 9.1 WAR (i'll take it as a given you know what WAR is on account of your dizzying baseball intellect). that is a ton of wins to be sent over in one trade; in fact, you'd be hard pressed to find any trade in recent history where one team received so many wins (and gave up so few). as good as dickey was last year, he had only 5.4 WAR on his own. shields and wade davis combined had 3.6 WAR (fyi, jj was almost 1 full WAR better than shields last season alone). interestingly enough, add up the WARs of dickey, shields, and davis, and you get 9.0. so the marlins gave up the equivalent of dickey, shields, and davis in terms of wins to one team in a single trade, and did not receive a single prospect as good as what the mets received for just dickey or what the rays received for just shields and davis. that's embarrassing, and that's why the marlins got fleeced.
  17. It's obvious you don't know a thing about baseball- durability and performance are the two most important things for a SP. Shields is better. Not only that many GM's have said D'Arnaud wasn't available because he wasn't. Once the Jays shifted from a develop mentality to a all in mentality with the Marlins trade they still wanted to keep D'Arnaud. When they re-evaluated and say a reigning cheap Cy Young winner was available they decided to give him up. And what would the Marlins have done with D'Arnaud and Brantly playing the same position- why even attempt to make him the key to negotiations? It's obvious you have no baseball intellect. Just because you have an Ax to grind doesn't mean you can ignore facts. An expiring contract and a bloated one aren't worth D'Arnaud or Myers. They are worth Nicolino and Marinsek. i guess if you keep saying how "obvious" it is, eventually you'll convince yourself it's true. ignore facts? what facts have you presented? you just keep stating how "obvious" everything is. JJ has been more dominant when healthy. shields has been more durable. but there's no guarantee that he'll be as durable going forward. in fact, he's logged a ton of innings and he just hit age 30. look at the history of pitchers who've logged 1400 innings before age 30, and what they do after age 30 (since you 'obviously' have lots of baseball intellect, i can assume you've already done this, right?). but again, all that is beside the point because the marlins didn't just give up johnson, they gave up buerhle and reyes as well. so d'arnaud wasn't available, until he was available. got it. the blue jays just had to 're-evaluate' things. right. oh my god, what would we do with arguably the best catching prospect in baseball...and rob brantly!? they're worth nicolino and marinsek, huh? well, that's certainly what the marlins got for them. if you believe that 'what the marlins got' = 'what they are worth', then i could see where you're coming from. but i have this crazy notion that the marlins front office isn't particularly adept at getting equal value in trades when other teams know that their #1 priority is to shed payroll at all costs. crazy, i know.
  18. If you want to have a blind hatred for Loria and company, that is your prerogative but you have to play fair. Comparing our players with Shields or Dickey is comparing apples and oranges. VERY different situations. Also the notion that Loria doesn't care about winning is becoming ridiculous the more it is stated. He wants to win. c'mon Admin. "blind" hatred? like loria and company haven't given south florida baseball fans reasons to hate them? seriously? i believe loria likes winning, but i believe he likes making money even more. and when choosing between the two, he'll pick money every time.
  19. they got fleeced. the mets just acquired d'arnard. so clearly he was available. what you meant to say is that the blue jays weren't going to give him to the marlins because they knew the marlins would cave in and dump salary ASAP. which is exactly what happened. syndergaard was rated higher than nicolino on every prospect list i've seen published. but that's really beside the point; assuming syndergaard and nicolino are roughly equal prospects, the mets still got him and d'arnard, the blue jays highest rated prospect. yes, i hate the marlins front office. me and 90% of south florida baseball fans. you act like that's an odd position to hold. i definitely will root for the jays, as JJ, reyes, and buerhle are very easy guys to root for. disagree that shields is a better player than johnson. he's definitely been more durable, but when healthy, johnson has been more dominant. but again, that is beside the point because the marlins gave up johnson and buerhle and reyes, not just johnson. saying wade davis is better than johnson and buerhle is laughable. so now "the prospects are expendable". you said at the beginning of the post that "d'arnard wasn't available." so he just went from unavailable to expendable. make up your mind. just look at the articles that came out in the wake of the trades. after the shields trade: "dayton moore defends trade" "did dayton moore panic?" etc etc. and now we are seeing articles saying the blue jays might have overpaid for dickey. find me any article that says the blue jays gave up too much for johnson, buerhle, and reyes. 'canard' is a word. you know there's a book that contains words and the definitions of those words, right? The marlins didnt get fleeced and d'arnard wasn't available. Nicolino matches with Snydergard, marinek is a top prospect. If you hate the marlins from office so much feel free to root for the jays. Shields is a better pitcher than Johnson and Buerhle. Shields and Davis are both better and cheaper then both Johnson and Buerhle. Dickey is a Reigning Cy Young winner signed for 5 million today and 25 for two years after that. He is worth D'Arnard and Snydergard because he's cheap, he's great and the prospects are expendable. Buerhle at one year is close to what Dickey will make in the next two years. Get your facts straight- And what the heck is a canard?
  20. the return the mets got for dickey along with tampa's return for shields and davis really highlights how inept the marlins front office is. johnson/buehrle/reyes is a better haul then either of the packages above, yet the mets got not one but two prospects who are better than any prospect the marlins received. embarrassing. for those who want to harp on "but the jays took on more salary blah blah blah", check the going rate for starting pitchers in the league today. look at what anibal sanchez just signed for in detroit; career ERA of 3.75 and he's getting 16 million per. that's what quality starters (not even elite starters, just quality ones) cost these days. buehrle's deal is about what it costs for a sub-4.00 ERA starting pitcher, and johnson is an absolute steal. the only horrible contract was buck, which, ironically, they've already dumped. so let's stop with the "jays took on more money" canard and just admit the marlins got fleeced because the owner's number one priority is shedding salary, not improving the team.
  21. I stopped reading when you called Nicolino an outfielder. :| Obviously a mistype. I meant Jake M, you can see that from my prior email. Have to get used to the new kids on the block It's gets tiring to read all the emails on this board that seem to drip with smart ass mockery and sarcasm The behaviorial trends you see on this board are troubling, too much disrespect being shown. It's sad, really. agree with this 100%. it is sad, and it is what keeps me from posting more often. michael is one of the biggest culprits, and it is disappointing that he is apparently a mod here.
  22. Odorizzi was ranked the 30th best prospect in baseball before this season, Myers 3rd. Yeah...that's more than the Marlins got for Johnson/Reyes/Buerhle this. i can't believe how much more the rays got for giving up less talent than the marlins. marlins are just an inept organization from top to bottom.
  23. beinfest would love to find a powerful bat, eh? maybe should've thought of that before you traded the entire roster. no quality player in their right mind would sign a deal with the marlins. the only players who'll sign here are ones who can't start on any other team, like juan pierre.
  24. The difference is ... Morrison has had injuries and played out of position. Hermida didn't really have that issue. hermida had lots of injury issues. in fact, the number of games played the first two full seasons of each player's career is eerily similar: 216 for morrison, 222 for hermida.
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