February 4, 200521 yr According to Miami-Dade County tax collector Ian Yorty, the county and city of Miami would take a lien on the franchise if the Marlins can't cover the overrun costs. Does this mean that miami dade is willing to give the final $30 0r $60 millions and keep the stadium in case loria sell the franchise right???? 677178[/snapback] No but its interesting you bring it up. I think the 30-60 million they want from the state is not to cover cost overrusn but rather the realization that its gonna cost 420 million and they only have like 390 million between the Marlins and local govt. I believe the city gets a lien on the team for money in addition to that-like if the stadium ends up costing $500 million. Depending on what they do end up getting from the state, the excess becomes the cost overrun. If the team doesnt cover it, I think then the city would cover it and take a lien. The team wont want a lien, trust me. Its a great disincentive for the team to just cover the cost overruns. But we definatley still need the state from what I can tell. Thats my interpretation of it. Anyone else think its something else or is that what others think it is too? 677313[/snapback] I'm pretty sure a lien means that if Marlins don't pay their end the city of Miami will become the owner of the team. This isn't some clause that we should be celebrating. Its an or else kinda thing. :thumbup
February 4, 200521 yr Florida Marlins sounds so much better than Miami Marlins! I think it is just a matter of preference. If u want it, it will sound good. If you don't, it will sound like crap. Right now we would all probably say that the Florida Dolphins sounds awful. But what if that was the fins original name? I'm sure quite a few folks would be saying now that Miami Dolphins sounds awful. They should call them the South Florida Marlins :lol Not just Miami roots for the Marlins! :thumbup They are leaving Ft. Lauderdale and Palm Beach out :crying You know, that is what I have always advocated for the Panthers. We all know these teams in South Florida are not cared very much about outside of South Florida. Most fans in central and north florida have never thought of the Marlins or Panthers as their team. So I have always said if you must have a "Florida" in the name, make sure to have a "South" in front of it. As for the Marlins, it is clear they will change to Miami Marlins if this thing gets done. You guys already know my positive opinion about this.
February 5, 200521 yr There's only one problem that I have with this stadium deal and that is the name changing part. If they change there name then there going to have to change the whole design and I like the design, its the coolest in baseball.
February 5, 200521 yr Who won control of the construction project? It better be the Marlins. These crooked politicians would milk Loria dry with bloated contracts awarded to their 'friends'.
February 5, 200521 yr Who won control of the construction project? It better be the Marlins. These crooked politicians would milk Loria dry with bloated contracts awarded to their 'friends'. 677395[/snapback] I would not worry about that at all. The Marlins have always said that they MUST control the construction so I am sure that will be part of the final deal on paper.
February 5, 200521 yr Now, there is only one thing left: SHOW US WHAT THE STADIUM LOOKS LIKE!!!! :arms :evil
February 5, 200521 yr Name change or not, this is wonderful news. All signs point towards approval by the local politicians, and then off to Tallahassee for the final piece.
February 5, 200521 yr http://capefish.blogspot.com/2005/02/tenta...-announced.html I have a video report from CBS4 and an audio report from Joe Frisaro linked up.
February 5, 200521 yr official or not, Fat Hank was furious at this news the other day, so that's good news. maybe he knows something we don't, like the stadium deal is very close to being finalized. he had that nervous defeated quiver in his voice.
February 5, 200521 yr Florida Marlins sounds so much better than Miami Marlins! They should call them the South Florida Marlins :lol Not just Miami roots for the Marlins!? :thumbup They are leaving Ft. Lauderdale and Palm Beach out :crying You know, that is what I have always advocated for the Panthers. We all know these teams in South Florida are not cared very much about outside of South Florida. Most fans in central and north florida have never thought of the Marlins or Panthers as their team. So I have always said if you must have a "Florida" in the name, make sure to have a "South" in front of it. As for the Marlins, it is clear they will change to Miami Marlins if this thing gets done. You guys already know my positive opinion about this. 677333[/snapback] Actually there are quite a few of us "Central Florida" Marlins fans up here. But I have no problem with them calling them the Miami Marlins. Im just glad they are finally getting a stadium so I can come down and watch them play.
February 6, 200521 yr I live in Southwest Florida (Lee County) and the team is big here. Orlando is often forgotten by South Floridians, but the O-Towners want good baseball. The Devil Rays are not thier team, the Marlins are.
February 6, 200521 yr I live in Southwest Florida (Lee County) and the team is big here. Orlando is often forgotten by South Floridians, but the O-Towners want good baseball. The Devil Rays are not thier team, the Marlins are. 678293[/snapback] Really?
February 7, 200521 yr Author official or not, Fat Hank was furious at this news the other day, so that's good news. maybe he knows something we don't, like the stadium deal is very close to being finalized. he had that nervous defeated quiver in his voice. 678076[/snapback] Fat Hank is the worst.
February 7, 200521 yr official or not, Fat Hank was furious at this news the other day, so that's good news. maybe he knows something we don't, like the stadium deal is very close to being finalized.? he had that nervous defeated quiver in his voice. 678076[/snapback] Fat Hank is the worst. 679049[/snapback] May he drown in his own sweat. :thumbdown
February 8, 200521 yr I live in Southwest Florida (Lee County) and the team is big here. Orlando is often forgotten by South Floridians, but the O-Towners want good baseball. The Devil Rays are not thier team, the Marlins are. 678293[/snapback] This is absolutely true. We used to get Dolphin games up here before the Jags came along. Then suddenly the media tried to make us Jag fans. BS I say. I hate that they try to shove teams down our throat. The same goes with the D-Rays. I could only get D-Ray games if it were not for satellite. The Marlins are first and forever my team. Even though I don't live down there. So call them what you want. And if you can't get that stadium, send them up here..LOL, Im am sure we can find the $$$$ to build it for them.. heh heh.
February 8, 200521 yr And if you can't get that stadium, send them up here..LOL, Im am sure we can find the $$$$ to build it for them.. heh heh. Dont tell that to the Magic.
February 8, 200521 yr I live in Orlando and I LOVE THE FISH! Can't watch the games on tv here with satellite because all the games are blacked out... and for some reason FSN broadcast fish games in the south, and in gainesville... they just skipped over orlando... WHY?!?! NOBODY LIKES THE DEVIL RAYS!
February 8, 200521 yr I live in Orlando and I LOVE THE FISH! Can't watch the games on tv here with satellite because all the games are blacked out... and for some reason FSN broadcast fish games in the south, and in gainesville... they just skipped over orlando... WHY?!?! NOBODY LIKES THE DEVIL RAYS! 680384[/snapback] How is your satellite provider? FSN Florida's telecasts of the Marlins are available statewide without blackout.
February 9, 200521 yr I live in Orlando and I LOVE THE FISH! Can't watch the games on tv here with satellite because all the games are blacked out... and for some reason FSN broadcast fish games in the south, and in gainesville... they just skipped over orlando... WHY?!?! NOBODY LIKES THE DEVIL RAYS! 680384[/snapback] How is your satellite provider? FSN Florida's telecasts of the Marlins are available statewide without blackout. 680399[/snapback] yea... my mistake... i dont have a satellite. My complex doesnt allow them. I thought about getting MLB extra innings package... but a friend of mine said the fish games would be blacked out. so, i took his word... and am gonna be suffering through 162 of horne
February 9, 200521 yr yea... my mistake... i dont have a satellite. My complex doesnt allow them. I thought about getting MLB extra innings package... but a friend of mine said the fish games would be blacked out. so, i took his word... and am gonna be suffering through 162 of horne 680870[/snapback] DVH isn't bad, he is better than 95% of radio announcers for the other teams.
February 11, 200521 yr Click to read the article from the Sun-Sentinel Miami-Dade unveils financing plan for new Marlins stadium Fate of deal still unclear By Sarah Talalay Staff Writer Posted February 10 2005 MIAMI -- Miami-Dade County officials unveiled Wednesday a financing plan for a $420 million ballpark and parking garage for the Florida Marlins east of the Orange Bowl that roughly splits financing costs between the team and the public and protects taxpayers from cost overruns. Officials from the county, Miami and the Marlins are finalizing the non-binding agreement, which requires city and county approval, expected in the next three weeks. However, the deal could still run into trouble if the state Legislature fails to grant the team a $60 million state sales tax rebate, or if $28 million set aside for acquiring needed land does not cover those costs. But Marlins executives, county and city officials told the County Commission's Intergovernmental, Recreation and Cultural Affairs Committee on Wednesday they are closer than ever to completing a deal that will bind the Marlins to a new, retractable roof ballpark in Miami for 40 years. If that happens, the team will be renamed the Miami Marlins. County Manager George Burgess said the proposal represents a balanced and creative way to finance a stadium and keep the Marlins in South Florida. Miami City Manager Joe Arriola and Marlins President David Samson said if the two commissions approve the proposal, local and team officials will take it to Tallahassee next month, where they will lobby state legislators for the sales tax rebate, needed to fill a $30 million gap in the plan. The Marlins repeatedly have failed to gain state financing, in part because they lacked a detailed local plan. Gov. Jeb Bush and legislative leaders have said they are willing to listen to the team this year. "I really believe this structure will allow us to go to Tallahassee and get a yay or a nay from them," Arriola said. Said Samson: "We go to Tallahassee with a completed deal. That's never been done before." The deal envisions a ballpark nestled next to the Orange Bowl in Little Havana. It would open in April 2008 with 38,000 seats, including 62 suites, 3,000 club seats and 4,000 lower-cost seats. Under the deal, the Marlins would commit $192 million -- $30 million for design development and construction expenses and $162 million in rent payments. Samson said the team's contribution represents the fourth largest in Major League Baseball. The county has pledged $138 million in hotel bed taxes and sports facilities taxes. The city would provide $28 million in tourist development taxes so Miami-Dade officials could acquire the land, most of which is rental property, from 50 private owners. If the acquisition costs exceed $28 million, the deal will not go forward. The city will also help oversee development of a $32 million, 2,800-space parking garage expected to pay for itself through parking fees. The parties hope state legislators will grant $2 million in annual rebates for 30 years, which would provide $30 million in today's dollars to cover the financing gap. Without the state help, the deal will collapse. Under the financing plan, the county and city would sell bonds to cover most of the project's costs. The team would pay off that debt through rent payments backed by its annual guaranteed revenue derived from television and radio broadcasting contracts. The Marlins have promised to cover cost overruns, and are advertising for a construction project manager. The team has agreed to a lien on the franchise and to cost analyses during construction. If any overruns occur, the team will spell out how it will cover the additional costs, through cash, a letter of credit or other guaranteed team revenue. The team also has promised to ask Major League Baseball to guarantee $10 million in cost overruns, something league executives have never granted. Miami city commissioners are scheduled to vote on the deal Feb. 24, with county commissioners voting on March 1. The three parties will then lobby state legislators, who begin their annual session March 8, for the state sales tax rebate. If city and county commissioners approve the proposal, their administrators and Marlins executives will spell out the development contract, lease and operational agreements. Although county commissioners expressed support for the plan, some had reservations. Commissioner Carlos Gimenez questioned the stadium's $360 million cost, particularly since two other ballparks with roofs cost more. The Seattle Mariners' Safeco Field, which opened in 1999, cost $517 million, and the Arizona Diamondbacks' Bank One Ballpark, finished in 1998, cost $414 million. Samson said it's difficult to compare other stadiums when labor, land and other costs vary. He said the Marlins' proposed stadium, at 900,000-square feet, is far smaller than those other stadiums. Commissioner Barbara Jordan requested a traffic analysis, which Burgess promised would be done. Burgess also said the deal ensures Marlins games will not conflict with University of Miami Hurricanes games or soccer matches at the Orange Bowl. Sarah Talalay can be reached at stalalay@sun-sentinel.com or 954-356-4173.
February 11, 200521 yr The city would provide $28 million in tourist development taxes so Miami-Dade officials could acquire the land, most of which is rental property, from 50 private owners. If the acquisition costs exceed $28 million, the deal will not go forward. I don't think it would be such a big problem, since I doubt that any rental property down in Little Havana is worth anywhere close to $560,000. We're not talking beachfront property.
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