February 7, 200521 yr I like how he calls out Dubbya saying he had to know the steroid abuse was going on while he owned the Rangers. 679463[/snapback] That was probably the dumbest thing he said.
February 7, 200521 yr I like how he calls out Dubbya saying he had to know the steroid abuse was going on while he owned the Rangers. 679463[/snapback] That was probably the dumbest thing he said. 679553[/snapback] Well the White House said "No comment" according to ESPN Radio. I doubt everything Canseco is saying is a lie. The question is how much is true. And why would he want to throw so many ex-teammates and the sport itself under the bus?
February 8, 200521 yr I can see Mac, Pudge, and Juan Gone doing it. But nothing about Palmeiro ever said roider. 678999[/snapback] Except the fact that's he's hit a few hundred homers by simply flicking his wrist and watching the ball sail 410 feet.... Oh, and check out the difference in Raffy's HR/AB ratio's before and then after he started playing with Canseco....
February 8, 200521 yr I can see Mac, Pudge, and Juan Gone doing it. But nothing about Palmeiro ever said roider. 678999[/snapback] steroids can cause impotence His next viagra ad: "I take batting practice. I take fielding practice. I take steroids. Because of that, I have to take Viagra."
February 8, 200521 yr I like how he calls out Dubbya saying he had to know the steroid abuse was going on while he owned the Rangers. 679463[/snapback] That was probably the dumbest thing he said. 679553[/snapback] Well the White House said "No comment" according to ESPN Radio. I doubt everything Canseco is saying is a lie. The question is how much is true. And why would he want to throw so many ex-teammates and the sport itself under the bus? 679555[/snapback] Because he is basically the joke of ex-MLB players. He needs money badly so what is going to get him green? Making huge accusations against some big name ball players and the president. If he didnt mention any of this...would anyone by that book? no. U.S. President George W. Bush was not aware of any steroid use by Texas Rangers players while he was a team executive, the White House said yesterday. In his upcoming book, Jose Canseco said he introduced Rafael Palmeiro, Ivan Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez to steroids after being traded to Texas in 1992, the New York Daily News reported. Canseco said Bush, the Rangers' managing partner at the time, must have known about the drugs. White House press secretary Scott McClellan said he spoke to Bush about alleged steroid use. "If there was, he was not aware of it at the time," McClellan said. Palmeiro, now playing for Baltimore, disputed Canseco's claim. "I categorically deny any assertion made by Jose Canseco that I used steroids," Palmeiro said in a statement. Gonzalez's agent, Alan Nero, said, "Our immediate reaction is we feel sorry for Jose, that he felt he had to do this for whatever reason. And we feel badly for everyone he implicated in this." "Juan has never used steroids and has never been in favour of their use."
February 8, 200521 yr Terry Steinback shoots back at Jose Canseco Terry Steinbach read on the Internet about the allegations made by Jose Canseco in his soon-to-be released book. His first instinct was to ignore it. He didn't want to help Canseco sell more books. The more he read, though, the more the accusations offended him on so many levels that he became too angry to remain silent. "If you look at his track record and what he has done the last five or six years, you shouldn't be surprised he'd do this type of thing," said Steinbach, who played with Canseco for eight years. "I never saw syringes," said Steinbach, one of the most respected players on the A's teams of the late 1980s and early 1990s. "I never saw guys shooting up. I was lifting like all our team was. If you assume what Jose says is true, there must have been syringes and bottles all over. I never saw it. I don't know where Jose is coming from." "Doesn't he have any respect for his teammates, for the game, respect for anybody?" Steinbach asked. "He's defaming the game. Wasn't there anybody in baseball who made a difference in his life?" [More in URL] Stars deny Canseco's steroid allegations RALEIGH, N.C. - Accusations by former baseball slugger Jose Canseco that he used steroids with several top players, including home run king Mark McGwire, are being strongly denied. McGwire said in a statement to the Daily News on Monday: ?I have always told the truth and I am saddened that I continue to face this line of questioning. ?With regard to this book, I am reserving comment until I have the chance to review its contents myself.? Palmeiro also denied that he used steroids. "I categorically deny any assertion made by Jose Canseco that I used steroids," Palmeiro said in a statement. "At no point in my career have I ever used steroids, let alone any substance banned by Major League Baseball. As I have never had a personal relationship with Canseco, any suggestion that he taught me anything, about steroid use or otherwise, is ludicrous." ?I am in shock. Surprised. He is saying things that are not true, and it pains me much that he says such things because I have always had much respect for him, and moreover, I helped him many times when things weren't going well for him?, Rodriguez said in the Puerto Rican newspaper El Nuevo Dia. ?I have never needed any of that. I am not a home run hitter. Why would I use that? To continue hitting doubles?? added Rodriguez, a 14-year veteran of the major leagues and MVP of the American League in 1999. Tony La Russa, who coached McGwire and Canseco at Oakland in the 1980s, denied the accusations. ?I am absolutely certain that Mark earned his size and strength from hard work and a disciplined lifestyle,? La Russa, now manager of the St. Louis Cardinals, told The New York Times. [More in URL] Bush says unaware of Rangers' Roid use WASHINGTON - President Bush was not aware of any steroid use by Texas Rangers players while he was a team executive, the White House said Monday. White House press secretary Scott McClellan said he spoke to Bush about alleged steroid use. ?If there was, he was not aware of it at the time,? McClellan said. ?He has recognized, for some time now, that steroids is a growing problem in professional sports, particularly Major League Baseball,? he said. ?That?s why the president has made addressing the issue a priority in his administration.? [More in URL] So everyone that's been around Jose is denying this? Interesting..
February 8, 200521 yr Canseco doesn't exactly have much credibility...he's been in almost as much trouble with the law the last few years as Darryl Strawberry has. Plus, he's already an admitted steroid user, much like Ken Caminiti. I know that McGwire used andro, and we already know about Giambi's problems, but I don't see any clear evidence that Pudge and Juan Gonzalez used roids.
February 8, 200521 yr So everyone that's been around Jose is denying this? Interesting.. 680203[/snapback] What do you want them to say? "Basball is just a sham"? Anyway Dave Stewart came out and basically said he can't confirm or deny what Jose has said, or Josie as he calls him, but added Jose is not a liar.
February 8, 200521 yr Former Oakland pitcher Dave Stewart admitted mixed feelings about the book. "I could never say `Josie' is a liar," Stewart told the San Franciso Chronicle. "I don't like his work ethic, and I don't like him as a teammate. But one thing I can't say about him is he's a liar. "As far as what Josie's saying, I can't deny it or verify it. I'm not going to pretend it didn't happen because I don't know. We weren't in the same circles, but I'd have to say he definitely knows what's going on in his circle. "Nobody I associated with on the team was a steroid user," Stewart said, specifically mentioning Carney Lansford, Rickey Henderson, Dave Henderson and Dennis Eckersley. "If this is all made up, he'll suffer some serious damages," Stewart said. "But if you're an admitted steroid user, believe me, you'd know who uses them." article
February 8, 200521 yr Mike Greenberg on ESPN Radio said this morning that he has seen names in the book that haven't come out and one name that will come out "will shock us". He said it's one of the baseball's super stars.
February 8, 200521 yr Mike Greenberg on ESPN Radio said this morning that he has seen names in the book that haven't come out and one name that will come out "will shock us". He said it's one of the baseball's super stars. 680247[/snapback] Junior? I can't think of who it could be that would shock us that is up there. Bonds wouldn't be a shock. Neither would Sosa. Maybe Helton? Dunn? Pujols? I am trying to think of "superstars" who haven't ever been accused of such things or you don't think of them when you think steriods.
February 8, 200521 yr Mike Greenberg on ESPN Radio said this morning that he has seen names in the book that haven't come out and one name that will come out "will shock us". He said it's one of the baseball's super stars. 680247[/snapback] Junior? I can't think of who it could be that would shock us that is up there. Bonds wouldn't be a shock. Neither would Sosa. Maybe Helton? Dunn? Pujols? I am trying to think of "superstars" who haven't ever been accused of such things or you don't think of them when you think steriods. 680249[/snapback] He said a McGwiresk type star. Helton is not a McGwiresk type star. A Rod maybe?
February 8, 200521 yr We would have to think of someone that played at the sametime as Canseco.... You guys are gonna throw it out because its coming from me...but If you want to think of superstars, then you should look at his brief stint with the Yankees....Jeter, Williams, Clemens, Pettite, and Soriano were all on that team....
February 8, 200521 yr Mike Greenberg on ESPN Radio said this morning that he has seen names in the book that haven't come out and one name that will come out "will shock us". He said it's one of the baseball's super stars. 680247[/snapback] nice! looking on baseball reference, other high-profile guys he has played with: rickey henderson don sutton dennis eckersley kevin brown roger clemens nolan ryan nomar tejada carlos delgado :plain wade boggs posada jeter soriano mariano pettitte el duque (well, one would suspect him b/c of the dropoff) crime dog magglio keith foulke
February 8, 200521 yr i'd guess roger is the guy...looking at canseco's career, it looks like he has followed him everywhere. texas, boston, toronto, new york....
February 8, 200521 yr Like ive posted before....ive known Canseco since i was 8 years old and he use to take me to spring training with him till i was about 15-16....i personally saw Jose give Giambi and McGuire steroids...i know that Pudge did take them as well as Gonzalez...I can say though that i personally never saw or heard of Palmero taking anything but Viagra... Jose is a good guy,he's just mad at the world cause he thinks baseball Black Balled him and in a way they did but trust me i personally told him this book is not a good idea that its just gonna bring more hate to him and he's never gonna be able to show his face again around baseball people... 679316[/snapback] You should write a book :thumbup
February 9, 200521 yr Like ive posted before....ive known Canseco since i was 8 years old and he use to take me to spring training with him till i was about 15-16....i personally saw Jose give Giambi and McGuire steroids...i know that Pudge did take them as well as Gonzalez...I can say though that i personally never saw or heard of Palmero taking anything but Viagra... Jose is a good guy,he's just mad at the world cause he thinks baseball Black Balled him and in a way they did but trust me i personally told him this book is not a good idea that its just gonna bring more hate to him and he's never gonna be able to show his face again around baseball people... 679316[/snapback] You should write a book :thumbup 680499[/snapback] I wonder why this guy continues to try to "prove" himself on a message board by posting lies. What a clown.
February 9, 200521 yr Walt Weiss takes issue with Canseco's charges Walt Weiss, a former Oakland Athletics teammate of Jose Canseco and Mark Mc- Gwire, said Tuesday he does not believe Canseco's claim that he injected McGwire with steroids. "I'd like to vouch for 'Big Mac,' " Weiss, a Colorado Rockies coach, said from Hawaii, where he is vacationing. "I spent a lot of time with Mac in the weight room in spring training, on the road during the season, and in the off-season, we lived near each other and worked out. So I saw firsthand the time that (McGwire) put in both on the field and in the weight room. "He was a tireless worker and a great teammate, so I certainly have no problem vouching for 'Big Mac' and the work that he put into his craft." Weiss said Canseco tended to move in his own orbit with the A's and spent little time with McGwire. "It's hard to even (recall) seeing those two guys together outside of the clubhouse," said Weiss, who played for the Rockies from 1994-97. "I'm not saying they never were (together), but it's hard for me to remember that in my mind's eye. They just didn't spend much time together." St. Louis manager Tony La Russa, who managed the A's with Canseco and McGwire, told reporters Canseco was envious and jealous McGwire went on to have a career that likely will result in his election to the Hall of Fame when he becomes eligible in 2007. La Russa also said when Canseco and McGwire were breaking in, Canseco was more talented and had more potential. Weiss agreed with La Russa on both counts and said Canseco, who was very good to Weiss and his family when Weiss made it to the majors, was as gifted as any player he had seen. Conditioning regimens were such in the late 1980s, Weiss said, that "lifting weights was a taboo. To get big and bulky was a no-no. To take it to another level, if steroids were being used back then, it was very hush-hush because there were many (general managers) around the game, if they saw one of their players in the weight room, they weren't very happy. "Of course, all that has changed, but back then, it was a little bit different. Some guys had to sneak into the weight room, so it's not like guys were sitting around talking about steroids." (Another Ex-teammate.. Same ol story!!!)
February 9, 200521 yr They said last night on espn, that before the excerpts from the book were released, Conseco's book ranked 100,000 in orders at amozon.com for monday. The day after they were release it jumped to 27
February 9, 200521 yr Mike Greenberg on ESPN Radio said this morning that he has seen names in the book that haven't come out and one name that will come out "will shock us". He said it's one of the baseball's super stars. 680247[/snapback] It'd be one of these people: Jeter Nomar Soriano Clemens Pettite Rivera He was on the Sox when Nomar joined. He was on the 2000 Yank team...but Jeter was already a star by then and the only way he is a roid freak is if he started out his career with roids but he has been so healthy it's hard to believe that. Clemens of course is a possibility, he seems like someone that could have used the stuff to revitalize his career shortly before he came to the Yanks. Soriano another because he came to the Yanks when Canseco did, but he's still too lanky and hasn't been hurt regularly. I don't think Pettite is really a super star, and Rivera he's about as consistent as they come and as lanky as well. I think it'd be Clemens or Nomar, but the whole 'it will shock you' thing has me thinking that maybe those two choices are two obvious and maybe it's Jeter? Doubt it.
February 9, 200521 yr Like ive posted before....ive known Canseco since i was 8 years old and he use to take me to spring training with him till i was about 15-16....i personally saw Jose give Giambi and McGuire steroids...i know that Pudge did take them as well as Gonzalez...I can say though that i personally never saw or heard of Palmero taking anything but Viagra... Jose is a good guy,he's just mad at the world cause he thinks baseball Black Balled him and in a way they did but trust me i personally told him this book is not a good idea that its just gonna bring more hate to him and he's never gonna be able to show his face again around baseball people... 679316[/snapback] You should write a book :thumbup 680499[/snapback] I wonder why this guy continues to try to "prove" himself on a message board by posting lies. What a clown. 680578[/snapback] It's not far-fetched what he's saying, plus he hasn't been wrong while posting on the Florida board.
February 9, 200521 yr Here's the way I look at it: you go down the list of the best players Canseco played with: 1. Rickey Henderson- i highly doubt it 2. Roger Clemens- possible 3. Ivan Rodriguez- already named 4. Dennis Eckersley- unlikely 5. Wade Boggs- unlikely 6. Mark McGwire- already named 7. Fred McGriff- possible 8. Rafael Palmeiro- already named 9. Derek Jeter- unlikely 10. Frank Thomas- possible, but only had a brief time playing with him and THomas was on the DL for almost the entire time So from that list, my guess would be Roger Clemens.
February 9, 200521 yr Here's the way I look at it: you go down the list of the best players Canseco played with: 1. Rickey Henderson- i highly doubt it 2. Roger Clemens- possible 3. Ivan Rodriguez- already named 4. Dennis Eckersley- unlikely 5. Wade Boggs- unlikely 6. Mark McGwire- already named 7. Fred McGriff- possible 8. Rafael Palmeiro- already named 9. Derek Jeter- unlikely 10. Frank Thomas- only had a brief time playing with him and THomas was on the DL for almost the entire time So from that list, my guess would be Roger Clemens. 681325[/snapback] I agree.
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