Posted July 21, 200321 yr Some of you guys disagree that Marlins needed to acquire another bat that the Fish will be fine but it is obvious this team need some more lumber.The question is will the Marlins make a move or ride it out with what they have now?I believe if they don't make a move soon than we can all kiss goodbye to any wild card hopes.
July 21, 200321 yr Some of you guys disagree that Marlins needed to acquire another bat that the Fish will be fine but it is obvious this team need some more lumber.The question is will the Marlins make a move or ride it out with what they have now?I believe if they don't make a move soon than we can all kiss goodbye to any wild card hopes. i agree with u
July 22, 200321 yr Author I don't care how much Dereck Lee fans will jum on me for saying this but  BRING ON MR.MARLINS
July 22, 200321 yr Author I think the marlins should get Conine or someone else, but they should keep Lee. Why? other than his defense his bat won't be miss.I say trade for Conine and Dereck Lee straight up plyus cash.I also would love to acquire Guillen on a seperate deal to reds.
July 22, 200321 yr Please, stop trying to trade DLee. Why would you want to trade him for Conine? What we need is a LF with power, preferably a lefty. I am sorry to say this, but Cabrera is not doing the job. You cannot count on Cabrera to give you the push you need to win the wild card, he is too young and inexperienced. I like his bat and he should go to the bench. I would like Guillen, is he a lefty? We need a LF with experience, somebody like Garret Anderson would be nice... :thumbup
July 22, 200321 yr no bat what we need is some these damn Moderators to chill out...... akaDAS TEXAN..... team will be fine.......  lol Bash D.lee only Giambi, Gado,Viagra Man,Thome, Sexton have more Hr's than he does...... but i wouldnt mind to see lee hitting 8th, id rather take my chances with A gon batting 6th...
July 22, 200321 yr nah, id rather see DLee over Alex in the 6th hole and Guillen is not a lefty, not many lefty's, if any, available
July 22, 200321 yr Author Please, stop trying to trade DLee. Why would you want to trade him for Conine? What we need is a LF with power, preferably a lefty. I am sorry to say this, but Cabrera is not doing the job. You cannot count on Cabrera to give you the push you need to win the wild card, he is too young and inexperienced. I like his bat and he should go to the bench. I would like Guillen, is he a lefty? We need a LF with experience, somebody like Garret Anderson would be nice... :thumbup umm that why Jose Guillen will be excellent choice.Why make the trade for Conine? Runners on scoring position and that all I need to look at plus Dereck Lee continues prove how bad he when the game is on the line.Conine also brings leadership and a veteran presence to the club house that Marlins don't have.He has been to world series and knows what it takes to win it all.I could care less how good Dereck Lee defense is because you need some one to produce out 1b as well as LF.
July 22, 200321 yr Author no bat what we need is some these damn Moderators to chill out...... akaDAS TEXAN..... team will be fine.......  lol Bash D.lee only Giambi, Gado,Viagra Man,Thome, Sexton have more Hr's than he does...... but i wouldnt mind to see lee hitting 8th, id rather take my chances with A gon batting 6th... Is not about HR'S if that the case than bring up the guy in triple A with power but makes no contact.
July 22, 200321 yr do you though?  Scott Spezio wasnt that good for the Angels JT Snow wasnt that good with the Giants i dont want to see DLee traded..... make a trade for someone in LF, and ill be happy
July 22, 200321 yr hey who doesnt want a 1b who can hit 300 and 30 jacks we all want that, but we should be more thankful with what we got.... Â ya really begin to think bout Rayn Kelesko even thou he is having bad year and is due to 16.5 mil after 04 season in a 2year perioid i wouldnt mind having him..... he has shown in the past he is capicable of hitting between 280-300 and bomb 25-30 jacks a year...
July 22, 200321 yr Author do you though?  Scott Spezio wasnt that good for the Angels JT Snow wasnt that good with the Giants i dont want to see DLee traded..... make a trade for someone in LF, and ill be happy THe Marlins have a chance to upgrade the offense with Conine and a cheap replacement for upcoming year.There more positives for Conine trade than negative.You just have to take off your teal color glasses.I'm tire of watching Lee struggle to drive runs when it matters.
July 22, 200321 yr Derek does everything you want in a 1b in only problem is his avg, and his strikeouts.
July 22, 200321 yr Author Derek does everything you want in a 1b in only problem is his avg, and his strikeouts. Once again that a weak argument:Â There probably some scrub in minor league club who plays great defense and offensively about as good as LEE maybe without power.Point is that it will be cheaper to pay that scrub who is capable of playing same type of D than to pay to Anti Clutch.
July 22, 200321 yr Like i said Lee always does better after the break. So right now he's about get hot.
July 22, 200321 yr Author Like i said Lee always does better after the break. So right now he's about get hot. Question is if he will produce when it counts or games that are out out rach for either side.
July 22, 200321 yr do you though?  Scott Spezio wasnt that good for the Angels JT Snow wasnt that good with the Giants i dont want to see DLee traded..... make a trade for someone in LF, and ill be happy THe Marlins have a chance to upgrade the offense with Conine and a cheap replacement for upcoming year.There more positives for Conine trade than negative.You just have to take off your teal color glasses.I'm tire of watching Lee struggle to drive runs when it matters. you're talking to someone who has bashed him the whole year..... its not that big of an upgrade to get Conine, and the O's arent interested in trading Conine anymore ive been getting into sabermetrics and stuff..... Derrek Lee's secondary avg is .420, while Jeff Conine's is .291 **SEC--Secondary average. The stat measures those offensive components that are not measured in batting average. The formula is (TB-H+BB+SB-CS)/AB** secondary average correlates very well to runs scored on a team level, therefore, it is a good indicator of the relative value a player brings to a team. it incorporates hitting, patience and running the bases, it is easy to calculate, its baseline is the same as batting average. Derrek is rated as having 16th best sec avg in baseball I have come to my senses and i would like Derrek to stay... i want a new LF though(not bashing Cabs but Guillen would be better at this point)
July 22, 200321 yr Question is if he will produce when it counts or games that are out out rach for either side. i left the house right after the 1st inning when i thought we could bust it open   bottom the 1st, with 1 out, bases are loaded and D.lee is up 5 seconds later INNING OVA D.lee gets into a Double play...
July 22, 200321 yr Author do you though?  Scott Spezio wasnt that good for the Angels JT Snow wasnt that good with the Giants i dont want to see DLee traded..... make a trade for someone in LF, and ill be happy THe Marlins have a chance to upgrade the offense with Conine and a cheap replacement for upcoming year.There more positives for Conine trade than negative.You just have to take off your teal color glasses.I'm tire of watching Lee struggle to drive runs when it matters. you're talking to someone who has bashed him the whole year..... its not that big of an upgrade to get Conine, and the O's arent interested in trading Conine anymore ive been getting into sabermetrics and stuff..... Derrek Lee's secondary avg is .420, while Jeff Conine's is .291 **SEC--Secondary average. The stat measures those offensive components that are not measured in batting average. The formula is (TB-H+BB+SB-CS)/AB** secondary average correlates very well to runs scored on a team level, therefore, it is a good indicator of the relative value a player brings to a team. it incorporates hitting, patience and running the bases, it is easy to calculate, its baseline is the same as batting average. Derrek is rated as having 16th best sec avg in baseball I have come to my senses and i would like Derrek to stay... i want a new LF though(not bashing Cabs but Guillen would be better at this point) Very miss leading stats.I know your not a fan of D.Lee either but I still think your argument is weak on how much Dereck Lee means to this team.
July 22, 200321 yr I don't care how much Dereck Lee fans will jum on me for saying this but  BRING ON MR.MARLINS Your so hard headed minus, Conine does nothing to improve this team. Your like the Japanese soldier thats still defending his position on a Pacific island. Ramp just laid the facts down quite clearly...sabermetrics isnt mumbo jumbo for the most part...I mean you dont even believe in OPS.....sigh :plain
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