A couple things regarding IQ:

 

1) Yes, IQ tests are standardized such that the mean is 100. In fact, by definition, your typical IQ test should be standardized around a mean of 100 for the population it's intended to test.

 

2) It is absurdly pointless to compare the average IQ scores of different populations in different countries. IQ testing is so extraordinarily verbally-oriented and culturally-tilted that it's certifiably *impossible* to compare scores from an IQ test across populations in different countries and make any meaningful conclusion regarding intelligence. About all one can compare are the actual scores themselves, which mean nothing considering how different the populations are. I'd imagine the tests in this study are non-verbal for the most part (if they aren't, the author is a moron), but there's no such thing as an IQ test that isn't heavily culturally biased.

 

3) It is impossible for one country's average intelligence to be three standard deviations below another's, just as it's impossible for the average inhabitant of a country to be mentally retarded (something we define as IQ below 70). Again, all we're looking at are useless numbers.

 

The only thing the huge variance in those numbers tells us is how unreliable our IQ tests are for measuring the intelligence of people who are culturally different from us.

 

4) I'll give you a personal example. I was IQ tested for the gifted program when I was in the second grade. While I did well enough to pass, I remember having difficulty understanding and answering a number of the psychologist's questions. You see, as the kid of two immigrants, my English wasn't particularly good back then, and my command of everyday idioms and vocab was awful. Anyways, just a year ago I was IQ tested again, and my score had gone up 15 points (something that isn't supposed to happen even over the course of a lifetime). I'm not any smarter now; I just happen to fit the test's target population better.

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and tony's hypothesis goes down the toilet.

hypothesis goes down the toilet.

 

What hypothesis was that?

 

It would seem to me, no matter what your metric, a population with average IQ around 100 isn't terribly intelligent (flattening for cultural/language diffs, etc) - its average.

 

Then again, maybe you're comfortable with a country full of average dolts who buy SUV's, waste money on $5,000 TV's, etc.

hypothesis goes down the toilet.

 

What hypothesis was that?

 

It would seem to me, no matter what your metric, a population with average IQ around 100 isn't terribly intelligent (flattening for cultural/language diffs, etc) - its average.

 

Then again, maybe you're comfortable with a country full of average dolts who buy SUV's, waste money on $5,000 TV's, etc.

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lets see you said that people are genetically stupid.

 

 

you used a measure that is biased largely toward the 1st world nations.

 

 

and even still 100 is considered average in most worlds, the usa is at 98, meaning across the board of average intelligence.

 

still doesnt exactly answer the question to which you answered that the majority of the world is stupid due to genetics.

 

try again tony

lets see you said that people are genetically stupid.

 

True.

 

you used a measure that is biased largely toward the 1st world nations.

 

So?

 

and even still 100 is considered average in most worlds, the usa is at 98, meaning across the board of average intelligence.

 

So?

 

You seem to be arguing that average is just fine, and the 3rd world has nothing to gain by efforts to improve their intelligence.

 

I guess if that's your position, OK.

 

I don't subscribe to it though.

lets see you said that people are genetically stupid.

 

True.

 

you used a measure that is biased largely toward the 1st world nations.

 

So?

 

and even still 100 is considered average in most worlds, the usa is at 98, meaning across the board of average intelligence.

 

So?

 

You seem to be arguing that average is just fine, and the 3rd world has nothing to gain by efforts to improve their intelligence.

 

I guess if that's your position, OK.

 

I don't subscribe to it though.

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People aren't genetically stupid. People are stupid from a lack of effort, no resources to learn with, or just don't understand. That's like saying Jews aren't a real people because they don't have blond hair and blue eyes.

 

 

Maybe you are the genetically stupid one Tonyi. God knows, the only way someway can be genetically stupid is if their genes mutate in the womb causing Mental Retardation. Of course, many mentally retarded people are some of the most brilliant minds in the world. See Albert Einstein. Or my brother. Or any number of those mentally retarded.

lets see you said that people are genetically stupid.

 

True.

 

you used a measure that is biased largely toward the 1st world nations.

 

So?

 

and even still 100 is considered average in most worlds, the usa is at 98, meaning across the board of average intelligence.

 

So?

 

You seem to be arguing that average is just fine, and the 3rd world has nothing to gain by efforts to improve their intelligence.

 

I guess if that's your position, OK.

 

I don't subscribe to it though.

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People aren't genetically stupid. People are stupid from a lack of effort, no resources to learn with, or just don't understand. That's like saying Jews aren't a real people because they don't have blond hair and blue eyes.

 

 

Maybe you are the genetically stupid one Tonyi. God knows, the only way someway can be genetically stupid is if their genes mutate in the womb causing Mental Retardation. Of course, many mentally retarded people are some of the most brilliant minds in the world. See Albert Einstein. Or my brother. Or any number of those mentally retarded.

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i think most of us can agree that intelligence is derived from a combination of nature and nurture.

 

personally, i tend to think most personality traits are heavily a result of nurturing, while intellectual capacity is mostly determined at birth.

 

however, i don't think that certain nations are, in general, much smarter than others.

lets see you said that people are genetically stupid.

 

True.

 

you used a measure that is biased largely toward the 1st world nations.

 

So?

 

and even still 100 is considered average in most worlds, the usa is at 98, meaning across the board of average intelligence.

 

So?

 

You seem to be arguing that average is just fine, and the 3rd world has nothing to gain by efforts to improve their intelligence.

 

I guess if that's your position, OK.

 

I don't subscribe to it though.

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People aren't genetically stupid. People are stupid from a lack of effort, no resources to learn with, or just don't understand. That's like saying Jews aren't a real people because they don't have blond hair and blue eyes.

 

 

Maybe you are the genetically stupid one Tonyi. God knows, the only way someway can be genetically stupid is if their genes mutate in the womb causing Mental Retardation. Of course, many mentally retarded people are some of the most brilliant minds in the world. See Albert Einstein. Or my brother. Or any number of those mentally retarded.

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i think most of us can agree that intelligence is derived from a combination of nature and nurture.

 

personally, i tend to think most personality traits are heavily a result of nurturing, while intellectual capacity is mostly determined at birth.

 

however, i don't think that certain nations are, in general, much smarter than others.

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It is true though, that because of a greater education system, Japan has become a "smarter nation" than us because they just have learned a whole lot more.

People aren't genetically stupid. People are stupid from a lack of effort, no resources to learn with, or just don't understand. That's like saying Jews aren't a real people because they don't have blond hair and blue eyes.

 

Maybe you are the genetically stupid one Tonyi.

 

Firstly, I don't know why some a**holes insist on calling me tonyi - I'm not. I've mostly ignored this, but its growing tedious so I felt I had to mention it.

 

Secondly, people are genetically average - mediocre.

 

I suppose mediocrity needs someone to champion it. It looks like you will be one of those "champions of mediocrity" who think we can't do any better.

 

OTOH, I prefer to believe humanity could and should do better.

Why is your location coincidentally G'Ville Rock City like your arch nemesis PP?

I feel bad for you Tony, I really do. Looking around the net all day, posting bias bulls*** ON A MARLINS WEBSITE Alone, miserable, it must be a sad feeling. All thats left for you is to fight a college student online about political issues.

Seriously, your middle aged and your fighting with a college student? Shouldnt you be married? attending your wife? spending time with your family?(if you have one)

 

Lastly, you do a HORRIBLE job at hiding yourself. One tonyi leaves, getfuzzy shows up, then after he leaves, toadlicker shows up. Your language, expressions, emoticons, and pitiful attempt at humor is all the same. You also basically only post in the bullpen.

Seriously dude, get a f***ing life!

Lastly, you do a HORRIBLE job at hiding yourself.

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That couldn't have been said any better.

Why is your location coincidentally G'Ville Rock City like your arch nemesis PP?

 

He jerked my chain first, I retaliated. Life is like that.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Do unto me unprovoked, I'm going to do unto you.

 

Maybe this GetFuzzy person you mention was somehow banned - that would have to be a question you ask the moderators though.

 

Until this point FIUMarlinfan had done nothing to provoke me. But now you fired the first shot, so retaliation can/should be expected. Life is like that.

Oh no, someone on the internet is going to hurt me. Sorry grandpa, I have better things to do than fight with you or "worry."

Why is your location coincidentally G'Ville Rock City like your arch nemesis PP?

 

He jerked my chain first, I retaliated. Life is like that.

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Yeah I am hurt, it worked. *tear*

 

He has the same location as me... WHHHHY?! WHYYYYYYY?!

Why is your location coincidentally G'Ville Rock City like your arch nemesis PP?

 

He jerked my chain first, I retaliated. Life is like that.

 

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Do unto me unprovoked, I'm going to do unto you.

 

Maybe this GetFuzzy person you mention was somehow banned - that would have to be a question you ask the moderators though.

 

Until this point FIUMarlinfan had done nothing to provoke me. But now you fired the first shot, so retaliation can/should be expected. Life is like that.

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tonyi, your sig is giving me naseau.

Oh no, someone on the internet is going to hurt me. Sorry grandpa, I have better things to do than fight with you or "worry."

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For the record, I have no plans to hurt you or anyone.

 

Retaliation takes many forms.

PhishPhan, I just dont think I could sleep at night,...knowing...knowing the next time i sign onto MB i could have threatening PM's from someone!

 

 

The horror.......

I think every list of the world's greatest problems must include threads that turn into mindless insulting of unknown persons.

tonyi, your sig is giving me naseau.

 

Now you see what I mean about retaliation taking many forms :lol

tonyi, your sig is giving me naseau.?

 

Now you see what I mean about retaliation taking many forms :lol

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Well, at least it's non-violent! :thumbup

PhishPhan, I just dont think I could sleep at night,...knowing...knowing the next time i sign onto MB i could have threatening PM's from someone!

 

 

The horror.......

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No he doesn't PM me. Instead he retaliates against me, since I attacked him first somehow. I am not sure how, I thought in America we are free to disagree with people, but be that as it may.

 

I think god would be on the top of my list to retaliate against though in his case, because he gave him his "genetics" and well, if you have trouble remembering who you are, I don't think you can be high on the IQ scale.

My IQ is somewhere between 135 and 145 depending on who's tests you use.

 

What's yours?

My IQ is somewhere between 135 and 145 depending on who's tests you use.

 

What's yours?

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Oh oh... let me pick a random number too! Mmmmm... 155, I like the sound of that.

Who cares?

Such a promising thread down the toilet....

 

*tisk tisk tisk*

Firstly, I don't know why some a**holes insist on calling me tonyi - I'm not.

 

Remember writing this??

 

 

It was reported on with lots of commentary on Kos. Nobody commenting there seems to be subscribing to your view of this.

 

Knowing your political leanings, and referencing of Kos in the past, I figured you might want to naturally jump in over there and "correct" their take on this too

 

 

Youve barely talked to me toadlicker. Youve only been here for a few weeks. How do you know all those things about me?

 

God youre so obvious. So much for that high IQ.