D-Train35 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Associated Press Posted August 5 2005, 1:31 PM EDT INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA banned the use of American Indian mascots by sports teams during its postseason tournaments, but will not prohibit them otherwise. The NCAA's executive committee decided this week the organization did not have the authority to bar Indian mascots by individual schools, committee chairman Walter Harrison said Friday. Nicknames or mascots deemed ``hostile or abusive'' would not be allowed by teams on their uniforms or other clothing beginning with any NCAA tournament after Feb. 1, said Harrison, the University of Hartford's president. ``What each institution decides to do is really its own business'' outside NCAA championship events, he said. At least 18 schools have mascots the NCAA would deem ``hostile or abusive,'' including Florida State's Seminole and Illinois' Illini. The full list of schools was not immediately released. Not all schools with Indian-related nicknames would be on that list. NCAA officials said some schools using the Warrior nickname do not use Indian symbols and would not be affected. Vernon Bellecourt, president of the National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media, was pleased with the postseason ban but wanted even stronger action by the NCAA. ``We would have hoped the NCAA would have provided the moral leadership on this issue, but obviously they've chosen to only go halfway,'' said Bellecourt, a member of the Anishinabe-Ojibwe Nation in Minnesota. The NCAA two years ago recommended that schools determine for themselves whether the Indian depictions were offensive. Among the schools to change nicknames in recent years over such concerns were St. John's (from Redmen to Red Storm) and Marquette (from Warriors to Golden Eagles). The NCAA plans to ban schools using Indian nicknames from hosting postseason events. Harrison said schools with such mascots that have already been selected as tournament sites would be asked to cover any offensive logos. Such logos also would be prohibited at postseason games on cheerleader and band uniforms starting in 2008. Ban them for the postseason but it's fine the rest of the year? Where is the logic in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 There isn't any. They're trying to make BOTH sides happy. Which is impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakercolonelreb Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 So no Chief Osceola? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Makes no sense. What if the tribe signs off on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I'm conflicted. While I don't care at all about schools using Indian names and whatnot... I just don't like the idea of the indian mascot. That just seems wrong to me to make a "mascot" for a group. I personally think the Indian side would do themselves a hell of a favor by getting the Chief Wahoo logo changed. THAT'S racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeFish Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 FSU has Chief Osceola and Renegade. Osceola is a person very key to Floridian history and even the Seminole Tribe of Florida recognizes and approves of FSU's use. It is the damn Oklahoma Seminoles that keep causing the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Political correctness at its worse. I got four words for all of those people who think its harmful. STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaq-Man Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 whoa. the florida state....cornholes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fritz Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 How anyone finds the FSU Seminoles remotely offensive is beyond me. It's not like they mock Indians in any way and it certainly doesn't cheapen the people. Frickin' PC morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaq-Man Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 How anyone finds the FSU Seminoles remotely offensive is beyond me. It's not like they mock Indians in any way and it certainly doesn't cheapen the people. Frickin' PC morons. 890119[/snapback] yup. if i were a red injun, i'd probably find "redskins" offensive. if i were a seminole, i'd see the seminoles mascot as badass...i'd probably be proud of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fritz Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I can see someone complaining about the Cleveland Indians logo or the name Washington Redskins, but the Seminoles thing is really cool and IMO very respectful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 So what will they call teams like FSU and Illinois,do they just have no mascot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TarHeel324 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I can see someone complaining about the Cleveland Indians logo or the name Washington Redskins, but the Seminoles thing is really cool and IMO very respectful. 890122[/snapback] idk Fritz, the chop is pretty disrespectful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 A great victory for all the politically correct idiots out there. This is really far beyond pathetic. To name your freaking team after somebody is more a sign of respect than a diss I always thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TariAJ Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 This is stupid on so many levels. What's the point of having it apply to the post-season only? And FSU isn't disrespectful at all. They have permission from the Seminoles to use the nickname. Now the Redskins and Chief Wahoo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 This is stupid on so many levels. What's the point of having it apply to the post-season only? And FSU isn't disrespectful at all. They have permission from the Seminoles to use the nickname. Now the Redskins and Chief Wahoo... 890226[/snapback] I agree. The Redskins and Chief Wahoo are not cool at all. And I believe the Fighting Illini also have permission for using the nickname from the few remaining members of the Illini tribe as well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishfan79 Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 What is next Norte Dame cant have Catholics go to the games? Give me a F break STFU people grrrr god PC jerks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fritz Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 I can see someone complaining about the Cleveland Indians logo or the name Washington Redskins, but the Seminoles thing is really cool and IMO very respectful. 890122[/snapback] idk Fritz, the chop is pretty disrespectful 890127[/snapback] Are you kidding me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakercolonelreb Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 I'm glad they're making a stand on disrespectful American Indian names. It's been hilarious how unfair it is to continue to call a team the "Redskins". It's the equivalent to having the Birmingham Darkies. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakercolonelreb Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Osceola was never a chief I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Well, what if there was a team called "the Blacks" and had a white cheerleading dude running around in full sambo makeup doing jigs. People would have a problem with that. do it with any group but Native Americans and you have a problem. That being said, The Fighting Whites are tight as hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 Osceola was never a chief I believe. 890784[/snapback] He was the leader of the Seminoles. Technically their chief. Probably the most important person in native american history in Florida. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakercolonelreb Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 He was half white, half American Indian correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 He was half white, half American Indian correct? 890851[/snapback] Half Irish, half American Indian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted August 6, 2005 Share Posted August 6, 2005 If its respectful, like the Noles, no big deal. Especially when their is permission from the trible. But Cleveland is pretty bad with their mascot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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