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Congratulations world! When the land of Israel plunges into civil war, remind me to hate all you politicos again and all you people who think that Israel should give up the lands because it would appese the Palestinian and Arab world. :Clap

 

 

 

 

:censored :chair :bangdesk :banghead

Did I mention that Israel is pretty damn close to a civil war? :banghead

The Israeli government shouldn't be influenced by Europeans who want to appease Arabs. :banghead

 

Soon they'll start pulling out of Israel all together and all come to Sunny South Florida. Seriously, they're putting a wall around Coral Springs because the Jewish population for some reason can't leave home on Saturday or something, and a wall would fix it. I really don't understand that.

Of course, the Palestinian Militants fire on the Jews. Whats new world? Nothing. Nothing is ever going to change these whacko militants.

 

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Jewish settlers remaining in Gaza rioted early Monday as the Israeli military began a historic withdrawal from the territory, Israeli police said.

 

In other parts of Gaza, police reported residents coming under fire from Palestinian militants.

 

There were no immediate reports of injuries from any of the incidents, which took place in the hours after Israel closed the Kissufim border crossing and 20 others that settlers used to enter Gaza.

 

Israel officially began its historic pullout from Gaza Sunday at the stroke of midnight (5 p.m. ET), coordinating with Palestinian forces to crack down on any violence.

 

Israeli officials planned to begin informing the approximately 8,500 Jewish settlers that they have 48 hours to leave Gaza or be removed by force. Some have already left.

 

Police reported rioting in Neve Dekalim, the largest of the settlements, around the time troops closed the crossings. At one point, about 300 people were involved, police said. But the situation was reported to be calm by 2:30 a.m. Monday.

 

In the southern Gaza settlement of Kfar Darom and the central settlement of Netzarim, police said Palestinian militants were shooting at settlers who remain.

 

Leaders on both sides expressed high hopes for the withdrawal. Israeli Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres told CNN Sunday, "I'm sure that history will justify our choice."

 

Palestinian Foreign Minister Nasser al-Kidwa told CNN, "What's happening is important, and it's positive."

 

But the looming possibility of violence from settlers and their ultranationalist supporters on one side, and Palestinian militant groups on the other, threatened to overshadow the optimism.

 

Many Gaza settlers are being forced to leave against their wishes after living for decades in the Israeli occupied territory.

 

Israel also is withdrawing from four Jewish settlements in the West Bank -- like Gaza, land that Israel has occupied since the 1967 Six-Day War.

 

Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz said Sunday the four West Bank settlements -- which are among 120 -- will be vacated after the completion of withdrawal from the Gaza settlements.

 

He predicted that about half the Gaza settlers will leave voluntarily. Those who don't may be removed by force as early as Wednesday.

 

Shortly before Sunday's midnight deadline, a steady stream of vehicles left the Gush Katif settlement block, heading toward Israel. Most had orange ribbons affixed to their cars, symbolizing peaceful disapproval of the pullouts.

 

Other settlers have promised to resist and have been joined in Gaza in recent days by thousands of anti-withdrawal activists. About 5,000 Israeli youths who are not settlers are inside Gaza, Halutz said.

 

"We're going to have to tell the government, 'No you cannot take us out of Gush Katif,' " settler Rachel Saperstein said. "We are going to stay here as long as possible, as long as our food supply holds out, our water supply and beyond that."

 

Israeli Defense Minister Shaoul Mofaz has predicted that all settlers will be out of Gaza within a month of disengagement.

 

Israel also plans to withdraw its troops from Gaza by the Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah, in the beginning of October.

 

While many settlers express religious fervor and a belief that Gaza is part of the historic Jewish homeland, some secular Israelis expressing nationalist sentiment have come to fight the pullout.

 

One of their chief arguments: That leaving Gaza after years of terrorist attacks by Palestinian militant groups will only reward terrorism and lead to similar tactics by groups wanting to destroy Israel.

 

Last week, Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu resigned as finance minister, warning Gaza will "become an Islamic terrorist base," endangering "not only Israel but many others in the world."

 

Meanwhile, about 20,000 Palestinian police and security forces were expected to play a role in the pullout -- 7,500 of them were deployed Sunday near Jewish settlements in southern Gaza, Palestinian security sources said.

 

They will focus largely on preventing attacks from militants and working to ensure that Palestinians who may move into evacuated areas are safe.

 

Israeli troops, larger in number and with much more training, are focusing largely on preventing violence from settlers and protecting them from militants.

 

Israeli government officials have said they hope the withdrawal will change the political landscape of the Middle East, opening the way for resumption of peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.

 

Palestinian security on alert

Despite complaints about a lack of equipment, Palestinian Authority security forces Saturday were on high alert, stationed outside settlements across Gaza to prevent violence in preparation for the withdrawal of Israeli troops and thousands of Jewish settlers.

 

Most of the settlers are to be evacuated from Gaza, where Israel has been closely coordinating with Palestinian security forces. A joint information and coordination center has been established at Erez Crossing along the northern Gaza-Israel border.

 

However, a senior Palestinian minister told CNN's Ben Wedeman that Palestinian security forces in Gaza have been forced to buy bullets on the black market for about $8 each because Israel's military is not providing any ammunition for the ill-equipped forces.

 

The atmosphere among many Palestinians is jubilant, seeing the pullout of Jewish settlers as a victory. At Gaza City's fishermen's harbor Friday, a crowd waved Palestinian flags in an official celebration of the withdrawal. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas addressed the crowd and was given a hero's welcome.

 

Hamas leaders have quietly told the Palestinian Authority they will not disrupt the withdrawal process, but not everyone trusts that pledge.

 

In a news conference Saturday, senior Hamas member Ismail Haniyye called the withdrawal a "retreat" and said it was "a result of resistance and our people's sacrifice."

 

"It is evidence that resistance is able to achieve our national goals," he said.

 

He also vowed that the armed struggle against the Jewish state would continue, despite the pullout.

 

"Hamas confirms its adherence to resistance as a strategic option until the occupation retreats from our lands and holy places," senior Hamas member Ismail Haniyye said. "Our movement reaffirms that it will protect its military apparatus and Al Qassam Brigades and its weapons and keep them for defending our land."

 

Hamas, a Palestinian Islamic fundamentalist organization, has been labeled by the U.S. State Department as a terrorist organization. The group's military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, has admitted responsibility for terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians as well as attacks against the Israeli military.

 

Peres warns troops of violence

Peres met with troops Sunday at the Kissufim border crossing in Gaza, warning that they may face violence from settlers or ultranationalist supporters.

 

"You are saving the state of Israel," Peres said. "Israel has dangers from the outside, and [israel Defense Forces] face them all. And now, we have a danger from the inside, and now the IDF has to deal with that as well."

 

"There is no sense whatsoever to remain here," he added. "The settlers do not have a future in the Gaza Strip, because they cannot live as an isolated group of people 8,000-strong among a million-and-a-half Palestinians who live in poverty and protest and unemployment."

 

Possible turning point

Sharon, who has invested much of his political future in the pullout's success, has said it may jump-start peace efforts between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Although Palestinian leaders criticized Sharon for making the plan unilaterally -- rather than as part of brokered talks -- they also have expressed hope that, after 38 years in Gaza, Israel's evacuation may create a turning point.

 

The Bush administration supports the plan. In an interview last week with Israel's Channel 1 TV, Bush called the decision "bold."

 

"The disengagement is, I think, a part of making Israel more secure and peaceful, and I agree with the prime minister," Bush said. "I can understand why people think this decision is one that will create a vacuum into which terrorism will flow. I happen to disagree. I think this will create an opportunity for democracy to emerge. And democracies are peaceful."

I feel bad for the Jewish settlers who are being told to leave and all, but they really got to get going. If there's a civil war, it's going to be in large part because of these dopes. Besides, if they didn't think there was a chance that something like this could happen one day, they were fooling themselves.

 

Obviously, the Palestinian militants are tards too, but that pretty much goes without saying.

I agree with Mabdul for the most part, the palestinians are certainly not the innocents many want to paint them out as but The Israel government hasn't exactly been the picture of an angel. Ultimately, I feel bad for the innocent civilians on both sides who are both being punished because of idiots who represent them.

Don't feel sorry for the Palestinians; they're getting everything they want!

Give it time, things will die down now that Arifat, one of the most worthless pieces of crap in human history, is gone. Things won't change over night. Arabs in general are very nice people who are very supportive of the US. Too bad you only hear about the ones who hate America, which are the minority.

Give it time, things will die down now that Arifat, one of the most worthless pieces of crap in human history, is gone. Things won't change over night. Arabs in general are very nice people who are very supportive of the US. Too bad you only hear about the ones who hate America, which are the minority.

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Very true and a very good point.

Don't feel sorry for the Palestinians; they're getting everything they want!

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No they aren't. Israel still exists.

They arent just doing it to give in, its a matter of safety. Why waste troops to defend 8,500 settlers when you can use them to defend everyone?

I hope this is a firm step forward toward peast in the middle east. The first time there was about to be a definitive move in the right direction, the president of Egypt was assasinated. I am growing tired of all the death and destruction in that area of the world, the mindless slaughter of so many innocent people.

 

I was in Iraq in 2003 when Israel decided to flex their muscle and bomb terrorist camps in Syria. I was personally worried, not just about the fact Israel was foolish enough to, in a moment of wrecklessness, commit to what very easily could of caused World War III, but also about the uproar it could of caused in Iraq.

 

I know no one on here gives a damn about what I post or even respects me for that matter, but you should all be as relieved at what could turn into peace as I am, not condem Israel for giving in.

 

Everyone should want to live in a better world than we live in today, and should embrace any thing that moves the world in a better direction.

 

Israel has brought several of these problems on themselves, I am not saying that they have deserved the atrocities that have been bestowed upon them, but they they should also not overstep their bounds.

 

I respect Ariel Sharon, and the efforts he has made to bring the Jewish and Muslim worlds together, and hope now that the tyrant Arafat is gone, that he will be met in his efforts with an even greater sense of urgency from the Palistinian people.

 

This is a small world with a big population, we all have to live here and we all need to get along. We as Americans are no saints either, we have made several mistakes in our short existance. The amount of people we have helped does not change that fact, you cant make up for a crime with a act of good will.

 

We need to break away from our "lead them by the hand like a mother would her child" mentality that has shaped our culture. The situation between Palastine and Israel would only be worsened by our intervention, as would our excursions into Afghanistan and Iraq if we had accepted Israel's aid.

 

The Palastinians have as much right to that land as the Israel settlers do, and hopefully one day, as you and I do. And hopefully, one day, these baby steps that are being taken now will turn into thunderstomps, and the land will be inhabited equally, and peacefully, by many different people.

Bull and Mark, these people on here are nuts. They don't have any idea sometimes, what its like to have family out there in Israel. People like Hot Rod who love talking about how he knows it from the military, are dopes when it comes to this. The Arabs won't rest till Israel is gone. Its in their blood, mind, and soul. The death of Israel is the ultimate salvation of their religion. You tools don't have any idea, especially you hot rod. There is a reason that the repeated attempts at peace have failed, because the only peace for Arabs, is the knowledge that Jews aren't living in Israel or on their land.

 

 

Peace will not happen till either the Muslim religion goes under a magic reformation movement, or either of the sides are dead. And at the rate its going, the world is going to have the blood of Jews again, forever haunting them. You know how bad it is for the settlers? They have to exhume their dead so the Arab Palestinians won't desecrate them in their rejoicing.

 

 

Now onto your post, JetsMania. The settlements were to protect Israel from the terrorists. They are very key in keeping the terrorists from getting in close without suicide bombs. The troops there were to keep the terrorists from flooding into Israel. I will never understand why the world sees that Israel must make the concessions, essentially, rewarding the terrorists' cause.

 

 

Now for your agreement FishFan79 with Hot Rod's bonehead statement. Do you realize that the leader of the Palestinians right now, Mahmoud Abbas, is responsible for many of the terrorist bombings and was a significant leader in the PLO's military incursions in the 70s and 80s from Lebanon? He is no different than Yasser other than he didn't start and sponser terrorist organizations.

 

And to Mabdul and Rune's points. Not all Palestinians are terrorists but everyone of them hates Israel. They are taught from the beginning that Jews are evil. They are taught how to assemble a AK-47 blindfolded. And the reason that the settlers were there because it was encouraged by the government. Obviously, you miss that point entirely. Sharon is doing tihs because otherwise, the world is going to stop helping the Israelis (Like they were, ever). Europe is the worst offender and the US is really doping itself into thinking that this will help the peace process. And the Israeli government hasn't been killing innocent civilians for no reason, like the terrorists. The terrorists are using the women and children as human shields. Does anyone condemn the destruction of possible terrorists hideouts throughout the world? No, but if its Israel, its those evil, horrible, huge-nosed, penny pinching, Jews destroying the peaceful lives of the ever so oppresed Palestinians.

 

 

Give me a f***ing break.

 

 

And the civil war would happen because most every other Jew knows that this is the wrong thing to do. Maybe if you had loved ones in Israel, you would care more than its a world news thing. And hot rod, you have no right to talk about this. Even considering the KKK makes you unworthy to speak of this topic because that is one of the biggest hate organizations in America against Jews and Israel.

 

 

/endrant

Beinfest, I'm well aware of the history of the settlements, and that the Jewish settlers were asked to move there by their government. And now they're being asked to leave. Why obey the government once and not the second time? Is it really up to the settlers to decide Israel's foreign policy? God, I hope not. Some of those people--to read certain quotes of theirs--are as whackified as the terrorists. The people who settled in those territories couldn't possibly have felt 100% certain that the territories would remain permanently in Israel's possession. They moved there anyway, knowing full well that this could happen. And now it has, and, in my very strong opinion, it's time for them to pack up and leave.

 

Also, I hardly consider myself an expert in Arab and Israeli affairs. I mean I took a class at Duke on the History of the Middle East, and I went to Israel for 8 weeks...but I recognize that I don't know s***. Nonetheless, I fully disagree with your depiction of the Palestinian Arabs as essentially unbending and almost evil people, who won't be satisfied until Israel is gone. I feel very certain that a very large percentage of that population--if not a majority--understand that Israel is going nowhere, and would be satisfied with a solution that included the continuance of the Israeli state. Now, whether Palestine can ever get their ish together and fight off those who refuse to entertain the idea of a peaceful compromise is something we will find out over time. Fighting these terrorists off, however, is something that Israel will never be able to accomplish without the help of Palestine, so, to me, making moves in good faith towards a compromise solution is a step in the right direction.

Fellas, fellas, let's calm down for a sec.

 

The real one we should be ganging up on is Marlins. BTW, where is he, and will he EVER get married so that he can FINALLY change his sig?

Beinfest, I'm well aware of the history of the settlements, and that the Jewish settlers were asked to move their by the governments. And now they're being asked to leave. Why obey the government once and not the second time? Is it really up to the settlers to decide Israel's foreign policy? God, I hope not. Some of those people--to read certain quotes of theirs--are as whackified as the terrorists. The people who settled in those territories couldn't possibly have felt 100% certain that the territories would remain permanently in Israel's possession. They moved there anyway, knowing full well that this could happen. And now it has, and, in my very strong opinion, it's time for them to pack up and leave.

 

Also, I hardly consider myself an expert in Arab and Israeli affairs. I mean I took a class at Duke on the History of the Middle East, and I went to Israel for 8 weeks...but I recognize that I don't know s***. Nonetheless, I fully disagree with your depiction of the Palestinian Arabs as essentially unbending and almost evil people, who won't be satisfied until Israel is gone. I feel very certain that a very large percentage of that population--if not a majority--understand that Israel is going nowhere, and would be satisfied with a solution that included the continuance of the Israeli state. Now, whether Palestine can ever get their ish together and fight off those who refuse to entertain the idea of a peaceful compromise is something we will find out over time. Fighting these terrorists off, however, is something that Israel will never be able to accomplish without the help of Palestine, so, to me, making moves in good faith towards a compromise solution is a step in the right direction.

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Youre good point cannot hold because to disagree with some people on this board is to become a antisemitic terrorist loving baby eater. You see, scientists have actually isolated the gene in Palestinians to make them want to eat babies. Ive resorted to just not having the discussion anymore.

 

 

 

And Hot_Rod_Todd is in no way boneheaded. I am saying this despite his having blasted liberal presidents in another thread.

Bull and Mark, these people on here are nuts. They don't have any idea sometimes, what its like to have family out there in Israel. People like Hot Rod who love talking about how he knows it from the military, are dopes when it comes to this. The Arabs won't rest till Israel is gone. Its in their blood, mind, and soul. The death of Israel is the ultimate salvation of their religion. You tools don't have any idea, especially you hot rod. There is a reason that the repeated attempts at peace have failed, because the only peace for Arabs, is the knowledge that Jews aren't living in Israel or on their land.

 

 

Peace will not happen till either the Muslim religion goes under a magic reformation movement, or either of the sides are dead. And at the rate its going, the world is going to have the blood of Jews again, forever haunting them. You know how bad it is for the settlers? They have to exhume their dead so the Arab Palestinians won't desecrate them in their rejoicing.

 

 

Now onto your post, JetsMania. The settlements were to protect Israel from the terrorists. They are very key in keeping the terrorists from getting in close without suicide bombs. The troops there were to keep the terrorists from flooding into Israel. I will never understand why the world sees that Israel must make the concessions, essentially, rewarding the terrorists' cause.

 

 

Now for your agreement FishFan79 with Hot Rod's bonehead statement. Do you realize that the leader of the Palestinians right now, Mahmoud Abbas, is responsible for many of the terrorist bombings and was a significant leader in the PLO's military incursions in the 70s and 80s from Lebanon? He is no different than Yasser other than he didn't start and sponser terrorist organizations.

 

And to Mabdul and Rune's points. Not all Palestinians are terrorists but everyone of them hates Israel. They are taught from the beginning that Jews are evil. They are taught how to assemble a AK-47 blindfolded. And the reason that the settlers were there because it was encouraged by the government. Obviously, you miss that point entirely. Sharon is doing tihs because otherwise, the world is going to stop helping the Israelis (Like they were, ever). Europe is the worst offender and the US is really doping itself into thinking that this will help the peace process. And the Israeli government hasn't been killing innocent civilians for no reason, like the terrorists. The terrorists are using the women and children as human shields. Does anyone condemn the destruction of possible terrorists hideouts throughout the world? No, but if its Israel, its those evil, horrible, huge-nosed, penny pinching, Jews destroying the peaceful lives of the ever so oppresed Palestinians.

 

 

Give me a f***ing break.

 

 

And the civil war would happen because most every other Jew knows that this is the wrong thing to do. Maybe if you had loved ones in Israel, you would care more than its a world news thing. And hot rod, you have no right to talk about this. Even considering the KKK makes you unworthy to speak of this topic because that is one of the biggest hate organizations in America against Jews and Israel.

 

 

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First of all if you want to be taken seriously, stop treating everyone as an idiot child who somehow doesn't see that the arabs are the devil and israeli's are entirely innocent.

 

"And to Mabdul and Rune's points. Not all Palestinians are terrorists but everyone of them hates Israel. They are taught from the beginning that Jews are evil. They are taught how to assemble a AK-47 blindfolded. And the reason that the settlers were there because it was encouraged by the government."

 

I want proof from you that all palestinian's hate terrorists, saying well it's just common knowledge is complete bulls***. You're rhetoric is appalling. If I went out and said "All blacks are a bunch of dumb idiots, who are gentically inferior. They don't want to help themselves and are all street trash", I would be bashed as a racist yet you just demonized an entire people because you don't like them. You are so narrow minded, you refuse to look outside the box.

 

"Obviously, you miss that point entirely. Sharon is doing tihs because otherwise, the world is going to stop helping the Israelis (Like they were, ever). Europe is the worst offender and the US is really doping itself into thinking that this will help the peace process."

 

But I assume you're ideas are the real way to peace, you know the idea's that basically outline the palestinian's as devils who all hate you and all want to see you dead. I guess if an arab came on here and based his opinion on all jews based on sentiment, he'd get a pretty narrow minded and wrong view but you have no problem doing that to them basically branding them all as a bunch of scounderels.

 

"And the Israeli government hasn't been killing innocent civilians for no reason, like the terrorists."

 

Actually, one of the very reasons I'm bitter at The Israel government is because of the innocent soilders of the liberty.

Beinfest4Prez...you are 15. Never call me boneheaded again. But hey, good luck with your "kill em all" approach to the Palistinians. And, as I have said, Israel has brought all of this grief on themselves. In 1949 they took alot of land in the midde east, surrounded by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc. etc. and then they seized a large portion of West Bank. Trying to wedge themselves into a part of the world that had not dealt with their large scale presence in years, what did they think was going to happen? But of course, I am boneheaded for wanting a better world environment for me and my future children, shame on me for not wanting them to see nothing but death and destruction in the middle east whenever they turn the TV on. Have you ever even met a muslim arab? You know not all arabs are Muslims right? Quite a few are christians. And the muslims ones are not the devils your making them out to be, most have enough of their own problems(poverty, famine, tyrannical regimes) to even give two thoughts about Israel. Your basing an entire race and religious base on the fannatical doings of the few.

Beinfest4Prez...you are 15. Never call me boneheaded again. But hey, good luck with your "kill em all" approach to the Palistinians. And, as I have said, Israel has brought all of this grief on themselves. In 1949 they took alot of land in the midde east, surrounded by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc. etc. and then they seized a large portion of West Bank. Trying to wedge themselves into a part of the world that had not dealt with their large scale presence in years, what did they think was going to happen? But of course, I am boneheaded for wanting a better world environment for me and my future children, shame on me for not wanting them to see nothing but death and destruction in the middle east whenever they turn the TV on. Have you ever even met a muslim arab? You know not all arabs are Muslims right? Quite a few are christians. And the muslims ones are not the devils your making them out to be, most have enough of their own problems(poverty, famine, tyrannical regimes) to even give two thoughts about Israel. Your basing an entire race and religious base on the fannatical doings of the few.

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Beinfest4Prez...you are 15. Never call me boneheaded again. But hey, good luck with your "kill em all" approach to the Palistinians. And, as I have said, Israel has brought all of this grief on themselves. In 1949 they took alot of land in the midde east, surrounded by Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc. etc. and then they seized a large portion of West Bank. Trying to wedge themselves into a part of the world that had not dealt with their large scale presence in years, what did they think was going to happen? But of course, I am boneheaded for wanting a better world environment for me and my future children, shame on me for not wanting them to see nothing but death and destruction in the middle east whenever they turn the TV on. Have you ever even met a muslim arab? You know not all arabs are Muslims right? Quite a few are christians. And the muslims ones are not the devils your making them out to be, most have enough of their own problems(poverty, famine, tyrannical regimes) to even give two thoughts about Israel. Your basing an entire race and religious base on the fannatical doings of the few.

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Read em and weep boys.

 

 

 

 

HATRED IS NOT INBORN, BUT LEARNED. Because the architects of the Oslo peace accord understood this plain truth, they determined it essential for Jewish and Palestinian schools alike to teach their students, from an early age, values promoting mutual acceptance and respect. As an interim agreement between the two sides stated, "Israel and [the Palestinians] will ensure that their respective educational systems contribute to the peace . . . and will refrain from the introduction of any motifs that could adversely affect the process of reconciliation." Tragically, only the Israelis have abided by that agreement.

 

Since Oslo, Israeli schools have implemented a comprehensive "peace education" program that utilizes books encouraging students to accept and respect Arabs. Through stories and anecdotes, these books deplore prejudice. They present Arab traditions as admirable, and Arab people as good human beings whose hopes and dreams are very similar to those of their Jewish counterparts.

 

By contrast, Palestinian schools teach a form of anti-Jewish hatred and intolerance not unlike what was taught to German children during the Nazi era. For instance, ninth-grade Palestinian students study from official textbooks that assert, "Treachery and disloyalty are character traits of the Jews, and therefore one should beware of them." These books depict Jews as satanic, violent, "thieving conquerors" who have stolen Arab land and must be slaughtered.

 

Further, Palestinian textbooks glorify jihad and martyrdom as the only legitimate means to liberating "Palestine." Even children's poems are laced with calls to war. Fifth-graders memorize such lines as, "I shall take my soul in my hand and hurl it into the abyss of death." Sixth-graders read a story glorifying a young boy who is raised with "the love of jihad flowing through his veins and filling every fiber of his being"; a boy who experiences his greatest "joy" when he sees "the enemy lying dead" or "fleeing for their lives." An eighth-grade literary text denies any Jewish connection to the Western Wall, and teaches children to identify Muslim and Christian holy sites but completely omits any reference to Jewish sites.

 

The propaganda campaign is relentless. A fourth-grade religion book reads, "The Jews are enemies to the prophets and believers." According to an eighth-grade text, "Mankind has suffered from the yoke of racism at all times, because Satan has made their evil deeds seem beautiful...Such people are the Jews." In a book used by sixteen-year-olds, the Nazi Holocaust is depicted as a response to the Jewish people?s "greed and religious fanaticism." Still another volume suggests, "Perhaps Allah brought the Jews to our land, so their death would take place here, as it did in their wars with the Romans." These can hardly be mistaken for the words of a "peace curriculum."

 

Palestinian schoolbooks make no mention of the concept of peace with Israel, nor of the peace process initiated at Oslo. Indeed the Jerusalem Post reported in November 2001 that the word "peace" has entirely disappeared from these books. Moreover, the maps contained therein do not even acknowledge Israel?s existence, instead depicting "Palestine" as an Arab land stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The Palestinian "problem," students learn, is not Israel? s control over the West Bank and Gaza, but Israel?s very existence. They are further taught that Jews are not only enemies of Islam, but constitute an illegitimate, foreign presence in the region. From the earliest age, children learn of their religious obligation to help drive out the infidels and reclaim "every centimeter" of "Palestine," the "stolen" land.

 

These anti-Jewish attitudes filter down from the very highest level of the Palestinian Authority. During a recent visit to a school for Palestinian girls, Yasser Arafat himself told the students of the glorious exploits of two female terrorists, Abir Wahidi and Dalal Magrabi; the latter not only participated in a deadly bus attack against Israelis, but further distinguished herself by snatching a Jewish baby from its mother and hurling it into the already burning bus.

 

It should also be noted that the lessons in hate extend beyond the classroom walls. Youth groups and summer camps run by the Palestinian Authority reinforce the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the schools. For instance, among the songs children learn at these camps are such classics as, "We?ll Throw Them into the Sea," "Revolution Until Victory," and "My Children in the Suicide Squads." Boys and girls as young as age six are trained in weapons handling and hand-to-hand combat. One videotaped camp activity aired on Palestinian television shows a group of youngsters joining with soldiers to sing the Palestinian national anthem. In the background is a huge mural of the Temple Mount, where Arab warriors on horseback prance proudly over a battlefield soaked in Jewish blood and strewn with Jewish skulls. Another video clip of camp life glorifies children who yell "commando" and then jump through a ring of fire.

 

Young Palestinian children are commonly used in demonstrations to address crowds with such rhetoric as "Death to the Jews" and "I will eat the flesh of the conquered." Palestinian schools often send their students on "field trips" where they participate in angry demonstrations against Israel, and the Palestinian Authority uses children?s television programs to disseminate fierce rhetorical calls to jihad against Jews.

 

All in all, Palestinian leadership has done a remarkably thorough job of violating its pledge to promote tolerance and respect. Thus it is no surprise that a seemingly endless parade of young people can hardly wait for the day when they, too, can walk into a crowded Jewish shop or caf? and blow themselves to smithereens

 

 

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1314

 

 

Before you open your mouth again, Hot Rod, I suggest you do some research.

Congratulations on finding the most right-wing page on the internet. You can find all kinds of biased, vitriolic pieces on the net to support either side of the arguement. You're only 15? You're way too young to be filling your mind with this crap. I can't imagine what would have become of me if I actually read every piece of Jewish propaganda that fell into my e-mail box over the years.

 

I hope over the years you develop the intelligence to see past this crap, but if you don't, here's hoping you find comfort in your "RAH! RAH! Our people are better than yours!" approach to world events.

You're a clever one, you quote an article from a far-right op-ed columnist as if it's undisputable fact.

 

What's next Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter?

You're a clever one, you quote an article from a far-right op-ed columnist as if it's undisputable fact.

 

What's next Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter?

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Want me to find another? Cause here they are:

 

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/1/toc.htm

 

 

Thats a pretty liberal site to my knowledge.

 

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/9/toc.htm

 

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/2/toc.htm

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/7/toc.htm

 

 

And oh yeah, here is the analysis of Israeli textbooks

 

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/8/toc.htm

 

http://www.edume.org/reports/5/toc.htm

Before you open your mouth again, Hot Rod, I suggest you do some research.

 

 

You never did answer my question kid. My guess is no, considering how you consider Muslims and Arabs as one in the same. But I guess it is possible you know more about it than me, I just lived in Iraq for a year(and Kuwait for a month). It's completely possible you know more, except for the part about it being anywhere near remotely possible.

I think it is funny how proof, as the term is used in this forum, always refers to linking to articles from the media or otherwise very biased websites. When was the last time anyone used a source from somewhere other than the internet on here to back their arguments?