This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.?

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

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It's clearly a witch hunt tactic, but hey if he was doping, everybody, including the people going against him in that Tour de France, has a right to know. I'd rather it be found out now, rather than him get away with it looking like a saint.

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

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It's clearly a witch hunt tactic, but hey if he was doping, everybody, including the people going against him in that Tour de France, has a right to know. I'd rather it be found out now, rather than him get away with it looking like a saint.

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hmm, and how is this going to be proven? this is a B sample and he is going to deny it. their word against Lance's word. too late to bring this crap now.

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.?

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

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It's clearly a witch hunt tactic, but hey if he was doping, everybody, including the people going against him in that Tour de France, has a right to know. I'd rather it be found out now, rather than him get away with it looking like a saint.

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hmm, and how is this going to be proven? this is a B sample and he is going to deny it. their word against Lance's word. too late to bring this crap now.

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Yeah, I know he's going to deny it, and the blind believers of the great Lance will say he's innocent. I'm just tired of him getting a free pass for things anybody else would be killed in the media for.

 

The guy is very admirable for the life he's built and for surviving cancer in general, but he shouldn't be treated any differently because of it. If this guy was some baseball player, any word of him ever testing positive for anything would lead to his crucifiction in the media, but since he's a cyclist that survived cancer, he will take hardly any heat, and that's simply not fair.

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

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It's clearly a witch hunt tactic, but hey if he was doping, everybody, including the people going against him in that Tour de France, has a right to know. I'd rather it be found out now, rather than him get away with it looking like a saint.

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hmm, and how is this going to be proven? this is a B sample and he is going to deny it. their word against Lance's word. too late to bring this crap now.

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Yeah, I know he's going to deny it, and the blind believers of the great Lance will say he's innocent. I'm just tired of him getting a free pass for things anybody else would be killed in the media for.

 

The guy is very admirable for the life he's built and for surviving cancer in general, but he shouldn't be treated any differently because of it. If this guy was some baseball player, any word of him ever testing positive for anything would lead to his crucifiction in the media, but since he's a cyclist that survived cancer, he will take hardly any heat, and that's simply not fair.

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It has not been proven that this is his urine. Like a previous poster siad an A sample can be negative but a B could be positive. It is an inexact method they are using.

 

Dont throw someone under the bus when nothing has been proven.

 

The man is tested all the time in his home, on the road for his foundation, daily during the tour and this 6 year old sample of urine JUST becomes a positive and this is just being found out now? This doesnt seem suspicious to you?

This doesn't change the fact that Armstrong is quite the athlete for coming back from cancer to do what he did winning 7 in a row, and it doesn't change the fact he's a role model to a lot of people who have or are attempting to survive cancer.

 

Also, it is fair to say that EVERYBODY in the sport of cycling cheats, so this isn't AS BAD as the MLB cheaters like Bonds in terms of him getting a competitive advantage, but this is still quite wrong morally, very dissapointing news, and he's still very wrong for doping, even if the French are just on "a witch hunt".

 

Sad, sad news.

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please Craig, the fact that he is hated over there for owning them in one of their favorite pasttimes doesn't bother you? Testing 6 year's old urine?

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It's clearly a witch hunt tactic, but hey if he was doping, everybody, including the people going against him in that Tour de France, has a right to know. I'd rather it be found out now, rather than him get away with it looking like a saint.

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hmm, and how is this going to be proven? this is a B sample and he is going to deny it. their word against Lance's word. too late to bring this crap now.

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Yeah, I know he's going to deny it, and the blind believers of the great Lance will say he's innocent. I'm just tired of him getting a free pass for things anybody else would be killed in the media for.

 

The guy is very admirable for the life he's built and for surviving cancer in general, but he shouldn't be treated any differently because of it. If this guy was some baseball player, any word of him ever testing positive for anything would lead to his crucifiction in the media, but since he's a cyclist that survived cancer, he will take hardly any heat, and that's simply not fair.

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he is being treated (and has) like crap in Europe, and his reputation is probably in the crapers and all of his records will now be put into question in the part of the world where his sport is the most popular. Do you think that's fair?

 

This is not like baseball, where Athletes weren't tested at all and their testing is a joke.

Hugg, Im not anti-Bonds like alot of people on here...so your point isnt swaying me.913686[/snapback]

 

I'm not anti-Bonds either, and I like Lance.

 

It was just an opportunity to throw it out there. :mischief

If I recall correctly, the French spit on Lance many a time because he was winning "thier race."

 

 

And this isn't true. The test has no credibility without the A sample. And a lot can happen to a urine sample in 6 years.

It has not been proven that this is his urine. Like a previous poster siad an A sample can be negative but a B could be positive. It is an inexact method they are using.

 

Dont throw someone under the bus when nothing has been proven.

 

The man is tested all the time in his home, on the road for his foundation, daily during the tour and this 6 year old sample of urine JUST becomes a positive and this is just being found out now? This doesnt seem suspicious to you?

 

Oh come on Passion.

 

Are you really going to say it has not been proven it is in fact Lance's urine?

 

If you don't believe he tested guilty that is one thing, but to throw out the "not proven that it is his urine" is a little over the edge.

 

I would assume, all things fair, this is very safe to say. I highly doubt the info is announced about Lance if they could not infact prove it is his urine and I have not seen any denial by him besides the one stating that he never doped. I have never heard him claim that this is imposter urine.

People get too worked up over this stuff anyways.

 

If he did, so what? If he didn't, it's a frame; that sucks.

 

It's the same on a larger/lesser level with anyone who's been accused of using. It's a price to pay for fame and greatness. I don't personally care, they should all use.

Something I don't understand is how someone undergoing treatment for cancer could 'roid up, because wouldn't steroids promote tumor growth? That's why I don't think Lance 'roided or even Lowell 'roided.

Isn't EPO just a hormone that improves the ammount of oxygen capacity of blood?

 

And wouldnt Lance have had EPO in his system from his chemotherapy?

Isn't EPO just a hormone that improves the ammount of oxygen capacity of blood?

 

And wouldnt Lance have had EPO in his system from his chemotherapy?

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EPO is a hormone-like substance produced naturally by the body. It spurs the body to produce more red blood cells (whose purpose is to distribute oxygen throughout the body). Chemotherapy kills lots of cells, including red blood cells and EPO is frequently prescribed to help the body boost production to compensate.

 

From what I recall, the urine tests precede Lance's diagnosis so it wouldn't be a result of his chemo treatment. Also, I'm pretty sure that there hasn't been any documented evidence that EPO provides any real or demonstrable advantage. That having been said, cheating is cheating.

1999 would have been 2 or 3 years since diagnosis.