Posted September 5, 200519 yr Cabs at third, Niner in left, Easley at short. Lowell and Gonzo on the bench. :whistle
September 5, 200519 yr Good lineup. Gets Steve in there and gets the hurt Gonzo out of there. Why doesn't Steve deserve some PT? He's only hitting over .300
September 5, 200519 yr easley and niner def deserve the start over the youngns. and this is a huge improvement over lowell
September 5, 200519 yr at least Lowell's not in the lineup. With a righty on the mound though, I would've gone with Hermida.
September 5, 200519 yr at least Lowell's not in the lineup. With a righty on the mound though, I would've gone with Hermida. 930474[/snapback] True, I wouldn't argue that since a platoon idea was something I supported but it's nice to see Steve in there as a 2nd option :mischief
September 5, 200519 yr at least Lowell's not in the lineup. With a righty on the mound though, I would've gone with Hermida. 930474[/snapback] True, I wouldn't argue that since a platoon idea was something I supported but it's nice to see Steve in there as a 2nd option :mischief 930476[/snapback] also steve has excellent numbers against livan BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career) vs Livan Hernandez Player AB H HR BB SO AVG Conine 21 9 0 4 5 .429
September 5, 200519 yr Atleast Lowell is out but I thought they brought Andino up for his defense so they could keep easley at 2b.
September 5, 200519 yr Conine is the right choice today. I don't want to give a rookie his first start against Livan; Livan gives veterans fits. Besides, Conines is batting .429 against Livan.
September 5, 200519 yr Let's bring that avg vs Livan up closer to .500 Atleast Lowell is out but I thought they brought Andino up for his defense so they could keep easley at 2b. 930479[/snapback] I think he was brought up to be a pinch runner more than anything
September 5, 200519 yr good lineup ... you can't never have it all and I like our chances with conine in there although it would be nice to get Hermida a couple of ABs after that glorious moment we have other guys that have been waiting long enough to get the playing time. such as niner a possibility would have been to take Enc out and letting Hermida start in RF but I dont think you wanna take out our 3rd and only offensive threat besides the Cabs & Delgado ... even as bad as he looked yesterday
September 5, 200519 yr Maybe you can rationalize starting Conine instead of Hermida today against Livan, but you won't be able to rationalize it for very much longer. We had a struggling player in 2003 and we just up and replaced him with a rookie, why can't we do the same this year? Also, I'm really worried about Easley at SS. Hopefully they just hit everything to Luiy.
September 5, 200519 yr good lineup ... you can't never have it all and I like our chances with conine in there although it would be nice to get Hermida a couple of ABs after that glorious moment we have other guys that have been waiting long enough to get the playing time. such as niner a possibility would have been to take Enc out and letting Hermida start in RF but I dont think you wanna take out our 3rd and only offensive threat besides the Cabs & Delgado ... even as bad as he looked yesterday 930488[/snapback] actually Enc had 2 of our 4 or 5 hits.
September 5, 200519 yr actually Enc had 2 of our 4 or 5 hits. 930496[/snapback] still looked a little lost to me (but isnt something strange coming from encarnacion) and he faltered on a key opportunity
September 5, 200519 yr Maybe you can rationalize starting Conine instead of Hermida today against Livan, but you won't be able to rationalize it for very much longer. We had a struggling player in 2003 and we just up and replaced him with a rookie, why can't we do the same this year? You can't compare Hermida to Cabrera. Cabrera is one of the best young hitters of all time. He didn't break in against a tough opponent (Tampa at home). And everybody seems to forget that even Cabrera struggled some the first couple of months. He hit .158 his first month and was hitting .233 after 10 weeks, though with terrific power. If Cabrera stuggled some at first, why wouldn't you expect Hermida to also? Hermida shoulda started at least one of the games against the Mets and any other manager in baseball would've had him in there. But today is not the day. Tomorrow is better.
September 5, 200519 yr at least Lowell's not in the lineup.? With a righty on the mound though, I would've gone with Hermida. 930474[/snapback] True, I wouldn't argue that since a platoon idea was something I supported but it's nice to see Steve in there as a 2nd option :mischief 930476[/snapback] also steve has excellent numbers against livan BATTER VS. PITCHER (Career) vs Livan Hernandez Player AB H HR BB SO AVG Conine 21 9 0 4 5 .429 930478[/snapback] Livan isnt a pitcher that is easy to get used to. I bet that is why Hermida was given this Righty off. I would of put andino in instead of Easily for defensive purposes but that is just me.
September 5, 200519 yr It is painfully clear Jack does not trust young players. He'll stick with the veterans to a fault. :thumbdown
September 5, 200519 yr Maybe you can rationalize starting Conine instead of Hermida today against Livan, but you won't be able to rationalize it for very much longer. We had a struggling player in 2003 and we just up and replaced him with a rookie, why can't we do the same this year? You can't compare Hermida to Cabrera. Cabrera is one of the best young hitters of all time. He didn't break in against a tough opponent (Tampa at home). And everybody seems to forget that even Cabrera struggled some the first couple of months. He hit .158 his first month and was hitting .233 after 10 weeks, though with terrific power. If Cabrera stuggled some at first, why wouldn't you expect Hermida to also? Hermida shoulda started at least one of the games against the Mets and any other manager in baseball would've had him in there. But today is not the day. Tomorrow is better.Well, besides the glowing contradiction that you agree with me by saying he should be starting but then not starting him now, your premise has one major flaw: you are looking at Cabrera under today's eyes, not under June 2003's. When Miguel came up, not only was he not "one of the best young hitters of all time," he was "bench him and let's trade for Rondell White." We could stomach it, however, because Miguel only had to top the relative production (or rather, the lack thereof) in left field from Todd Hollandsworth. Now Jeremy Hermida has to replace the gap in the order left by one Mike Lowell, as Cabrera would be staying in the lineup but switching positions. One thing that Hermida has going for him over Cabrera is he is significantly more patient at the plate than Miguel is, so he will have a much bigger edge in transitioning from AA pitching to Major League pitching. So, in layman's terms..... Why not?
September 5, 200519 yr Maybe you can rationalize starting Conine instead of Hermida today against Livan, but you won't be able to rationalize it for very much longer. We had a struggling player in 2003 and we just up and replaced him with a rookie, why can't we do the same this year? You can't compare Hermida to Cabrera. Cabrera is one of the best young hitters of all time. He didn't break in against a tough opponent (Tampa at home). And everybody seems to forget that even Cabrera struggled some the first couple of months. He hit .158 his first month and was hitting .233 after 10 weeks, though with terrific power. If Cabrera stuggled some at first, why wouldn't you expect Hermida to also? Hermida shoulda started at least one of the games against the Mets and any other manager in baseball would've had him in there. But today is not the day. Tomorrow is better.Well, besides the glowing contradiction that you agree with me by saying he should be starting but then not starting him now, your premise has one major flaw: you are looking at Cabrera under today's eyes, not under June 2003's. When Miguel came up, not only was he not "one of the best young hitters of all time," he was "bench him and let's trade for Rondell White." We could stomach it, however, because Miguel only had to top the relative production (or rather, the lack thereof) in left field from Todd Hollandsworth. Now Jeremy Hermida has to replace the gap in the order left by one Mike Lowell, as Cabrera would be staying in the lineup but switching positions. One thing that Hermida has going for him over Cabrera is he is significantly more patient at the plate than Miguel is, so he will have a much bigger edge in transitioning from AA pitching to Major League pitching. So, in layman's terms..... Why not? Um ... where did I even hint that Hermida was replacing Cabrera? Of course Cabrera is staying in the lineup. We're replacing Lowell, who is just about as useless as Hollandsworth was in 2003. You're right that Cabrera only had to be better than the guys he replaced - the platoon of Hollandsworth and Banks because we had no other options. Hermida needs to be better than not only Lowell but also our other option (Conine). What should've happened is Jack should've made this move a month ago with Conine and if that didn't didn't work then we could've gone to Hermida. My point is talentwise, Cabrera is one of the best young hitters of all time, probably top 10. And that much talent struggled some in his first 10 weeks. I don't think anybody believes Hermida is one of the 10 top talented young hitters of all time. If somebody with as much hitting talent as Cabrera could struggle, so could Hermida. My point was that Livan is not the guy to give a rookie his first major league start against, especially at the expense of Conine who hits Livan well. There will be a lot of pitches from Livan that are on the corner or maybe just off the corner. You think a rookie is going to get those calls? Jack should've started Hermida against the Mets. Anybody else would've but Jack manages by superstition and won't change lineups after a win, even if certain guys in that lineup aren't hitting. Going forward, Jack should go with a modified platoon - Conine against lefties and some of the tougher righties (like Livan) and Hermida the rest of the time. I don't think that's a "glowing contradiction." Hermida should get some starts, maybe 2/3 of the time. Just not today. Though with the way this game is going, it couldn't hurt. Maybe Hermida would flourish - guys with less talent than either Cabrera or Hermida have come up and lit it up, like Shane Spencer and Jeff Francoeur. Against Livan, I'm going to err on the side of caution and start the guy hitting .429 against him. Though as long as Lowell isn't in the lineup, I'm happy. Jack should've made this move a month ago. Now with our schedule compared to Houston's, I hope it's not too late.
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