October 13, 200520 yr If you look at the box scores from our inaugural season in 1993, you can see that we had like 35,000-45,000 people a game. Granted, it was our inaugural season so the fever of South Florida's first ever MLB team was there. But we were capable of putting those many people in the seats for every game. We even had similar results in 1994, though not as many people. This goes to show you that, if we get a new stadium, the people will eventually come. Especially if we bring out a winning team onto the field.
October 13, 200520 yr Especially if we bring out a winning team onto the field. :banghead What, 2 World Series aren't enough for you? The two most exciting young players in the game (Dontrelle and Cabrera) aren't either? Save it.
October 13, 200520 yr Yay!!! Your day on MB.com isn't complete without the daily attendance thread!!! :plain
October 13, 200520 yr I can't seem to remember what major thing in baseball had a huge impact on future attendance.
October 13, 200520 yr This goes to show you that, if we get a new stadium, the people will eventually come. Especially if we bring out a winning team onto the field. Uh, we have fielded a winning team for the past THREE YEARS.
October 13, 200520 yr Author Okay. Okay. I'm sorry for bringing out yet ANOTHER attendance thread. I just happened to look through our past games over the internet out of curiousity and when I looked at the box scores of our inaugural 1993 season, I saw that the attendance was in the 40,000s for a lot of the games. So I wanted to point it out to those who don't know and think we always only averaged 20,000 or worse per game when that's not the case. And what I meant by bringing out a winning team is that if we CONTINUE to bring out a winning team (meaning that we already had one), the people will come. And even though more people doesn't necessarily mean more wins, it just looks better.
October 13, 200520 yr Okay. Okay. I'm sorry for bringing out yet ANOTHER attendance thread. I just happened to look through our past games over the internet out of curiousity and when I looked at the box scores of our inaugural 1993 season, I saw that the attendance was in the 40,000s for a lot of the games. So I wanted to point it out to those who don't know and think we always only averaged 20,000 or worse per game when that's not the case. And what I meant by bringing out a winning team is that if we CONTINUE to bring out a winning team (meaning that we already had one), the people will come. And even though more people doesn't necessarily mean more wins, it just looks better. No, it won't. We won a World Series and people still weren't showing up. Unless the Marlins change their name to the Florida Teal Sox and trade for Manny Ramirez, our attendance isn't going to dramatically improve anytime soon regardless of what our team actually does on the field.
October 13, 200520 yr Author The attendance is going up SLOWLY every year. But if we average 30,000+ per game and go like 77-85, I won't be happy one bit. As long as we continue to field a winning team year in and year out (not very likely with our financial problems), that's all that matters.
October 13, 200520 yr What bugs me the most is we draw 1,730,384 after a WS and a firesale in 1998 and then draw 1,723,105 after a WS without a firesale in 2003. I think the firesale theory is pretty overstated.
October 13, 200520 yr There must of been a lot of Pudge fans in there after '03. I agree though doesn't make sense. They were talking when we got Delgado that the sales would get a good boost, but they didn't really at all. Sorry to add to the attendance thread.
October 14, 200520 yr People attended in the beginning despite the crappy stadium and crappy location of the stadium. A strike, a dismantling of a championship team, an owner who badmouthed the aforementioned crappy stadium, and an owner that needed to borrow money from MLB to buy the team. All of these things have made it tough to invest emotionally in this team. We all have but we are the fanatics. Average people want to know that the team they root for isn't moving away. Until the stadium deal is settled there will be a dark cloud (literally and figuratively) over the team. Nobody wants to get wet.
October 14, 200520 yr 1. The Marlins attendence doesnt correlate with their winning I was curious about that, so I calculated the correlation. The correlation of the attendance to winning is -.1977864214 for the Marlins since 1993. That means about 4% of the variation in attendance can be explained by amount of wins. Here's the shocker, according to statistics, as the Marlins get more wins, they're attendance goes down. Of course numbers don't tell the whole story. I said this before, the Marlins winning and attendance aren't really related.
October 14, 200520 yr Actually there IS a correlation between winning and attendance and Baseball Prospectus has studied this in depth. The attendence spikes come in the seasons after a playoff appearance (all thing being equal, meaning that you don't a have a PR nightmare like the dismantling of your championship team). The Marlins attendance has increased in each of the last two years after their latest WS win. Perhaps it's not as much as we would like it to be but it has increased. There's a lot of variables involved. Winning is a big one but the stadium (whether it's perception, location, weather or what have you) is another big one. And uncertainty about the team's future has to be a big one too.
October 15, 200520 yr I think that even more than winning, the factor slowing attendance is that South Florida is an area with a lot of transplants and we just haven't been around long enough to establish a fanbase large enough to get a consistent 30,000+ attendance--beyond the first couple seasons when the novelty factor was in play. But this group seems to be both committed to winning and to keeping the team in South Florida, so hopefully the slow upward creep in attendance will continue to build.
October 15, 200520 yr Attendance has improved over the last several seasons and only a major firesale or a bad season will change that. I don't expect this team to draw 30,000 every night, but small improvements every season should be the goal. I think some of you forget that this team was drawing 10-16,000 a night just a few years ago.
October 16, 200520 yr Author Yeah, I remember the days when we drew as low as 4,000 people...and that is just the paid attendance so even less people came. When you go from that to what we have now, it's an improvement.
October 16, 200520 yr Bottom line is that a new stadium has to be part of the equation in order to have big attendance increases. I am a highly motivated Marlins fans with full season, season tix, but even I often fall into the temptation of just going home and watching the game on my couch in air conditioned comfort instead of driving an hour from my south beach place of employment sweating my ass off and then driving home an hour to west kendall to get home at 11:00 PM when I have to get up and do it all again the next day. For everyone that thinks our attendance sucks and that the Yankees are the gold standard should note that the 92 yankees drew less fans than the 2005 marlins. While it was 13 years ago it illustrates that even a team with 22 world championships at the time had trouble breaking the 2 million mark even in a market that is 5 times as large as ours. The 95 Yankees also drew less than the 2005 Marlins but that was the season after the strike so I don't consider that a fair comparison.
October 16, 200520 yr I understand, thats why we need a roof, A FIXED ROOF!, why would we ever want it open in the summer. Not so much the rain, but the temps in the summer. You dont need that thing open when its 92 deg outside.
October 16, 200520 yr Re: The 1992 Yankees The 1992 Yankees were never in the race and it was like the 3rd year in a row the Yankees finished at or near the cellar of the AL East some 20+ games out of first, before the teams current rebirth. Yes, even New York teams have crappy attendance when the team stinks. 1994 (114 games) and 1995 (144 games) were strike seasons so any comparison of stats and numbers to full seasons is not really meaninglful.
October 17, 200520 yr Yay!!! Your day on MB.com isn't complete without the daily attendance thread!!! :plain Dude - People like you need to relax... Not everyone is on this site daily, meaning we may miss a thread here or there.... Forgive those who may have missed some and post something that has already been discussed.... As for attendance, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.... I have faith in the people of South Florida to support a team with a new stadium. If fans down here can have a guarantee that a game will be played (aka - give us a damn roof), attendance will be fine.. of course, assuming the team is competitive. South Florida fair weather fans won't come out to see a losing time, unless it comes with a free back massage.
October 17, 200520 yr Yay!!! Your day on MB.com isn't complete without the daily attendance thread!!! :plain Dude - People like you need to relax... Not everyone is on this site daily, meaning we may miss a thread here or there.... Forgive those who may have missed some and post something that has already been discussed.... As for attendance, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.... I have faith in the people of South Florida to support a team with a new stadium. If fans down here can have a guarantee that a game will be played (aka - give us a damn roof), attendance will be fine.. of course, assuming the team is competitive. South Florida fair weather fans won't come out to see a losing time, unless it comes with a free back massage. They are pretty hard to miss. There is one on every page of the Florida Marlins forum. :plain
October 17, 200520 yr Like I said, I didn't include the 95 yankees. Yes, the 92 Yankees never contended but the point is that every team has front running fans and that winning consistently over an extended period of time increases attendance. Like I said NY is 5 times the market of Miami-Ft.L. And the Yankees have a tradition that's something like 100 yrs old. You can say the Marlins have put a winner out there each of the last 3 seasons. Before that there was only one winning season (97). Hardly a history of winning but even so, attendance is creeping up. As far as the roof goes, I think it should be retractable and not fixed. You can keep it open during the day and on off days and then shut it during the games. There's no replacement for natural grass. I would be great if the roof had some sort of glass or plexiglass (even if it's just in select places) that would give you the outdoor feeling even when it's closed.
October 18, 200520 yr The only way to make a fair comparison of the marlins attendance would be to equate weather, history, and stadium location and compare it with the attendance of teams that have the most similar situation. I for one dont have the time todo such a thing
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