November 10, 200520 yr Also, even if a minor leaguer is called up, arent they guranteed MLB league minimum money even if they are demoted? I might be wrong. Just like marlins161 is wrong about Olsen not showing anything, except that he pitched really well until he got to Philadelphia. anyone on the 40 will be making the minimum at least.
November 10, 200520 yr I realize newbies always think they can't be wrong but there were numerous published stories, quoting Jack and others, that Olsen couldn't be used ot of the pen. They asked him to go to the pen to make room for Valdez and he declined, leaving the Marlins with the only option left to them, which was to option him to Carolina. If Olsen was so LIGHTS OUT as Spike claims, then why would one poor start in Philly cost him his spot in the rotation to Valdez. We're talking Izzy Valdez not Roger Clemens. You guys want to insist that Olsen is a stud, go ahead. You want to insist that Olsen said I want to go to the minors because I can't relieve, go ahead. As it turned out, Vargas immidately went into the rotation. ONCE AGAIN, because you guys seem to have a comprehnsion problem, why didn't Olsen reclaim a rotation spot over Vargas when Vargas immediately went into the rotation? 2003, aren't you the one who said NO WAY Delgado was even going to be shopped. That it was all made up by the media. Guess you were right on that too buddy FYI, Olsen got crushed by the Phils on July 16. Vargas was in the rotation, starting July 18. Olsen in the meantime never pitched again after July 16. Somehow he got hurt. Did he punch a wall in Carolina when he was demoted? Um Olsen had one bad start. Besides that, he was excellent. More K than IP, and a low ERA. You've been shown stats that show he was very good except one start, and told that he was sent down because of inability to pitch out of the pen. Yet you continue to argue, once again showing your a troll.
November 10, 200520 yr I want Spike to tell me we're not sellers this offseason after all these articles.... It's just your usage of the word "sellers"...you consider losing free agents that we are better off not keeping(Encarnacion, Burnett), makes us sellers...when it doesn't.
November 11, 200520 yr I want Spike to tell me we're not sellers this offseason after all these articles.... It's just your usage of the word "sellers"...you consider losing free agents that we are better off not keeping(Encarnacion, Burnett), makes us sellers...when it doesn't. Getting Rid of Delgado for no reason makes us Sellers!!!!!!
November 11, 200520 yr Also, even if a minor leaguer is called up, arent they guranteed MLB league minimum money even if they are demoted? I might be wrong. Just like marlins161 is wrong about Olsen not showing anything, except that he pitched really well until he got to Philadelphia. anyone on the 40 will be making the minimum at least. I don't think that's correct Das, but I could be wrong. I know from talking to Mike Figga back in his Clipper days, he talked about how his September call-up "paid for his house" as in he was making way more in the month he was up there. He had already been called up the year before and was on the 40-man, so if they all make the minimum he would have been making it all year in the minors. Like I said, it could have changed since then or I could be wrong, but I thought it was kind of like the hockey "2-way" contracts where if you're in the NHL you make this much and if you go down you make that much.
November 11, 200520 yr I want Spike to tell me we're not sellers this offseason after all these articles.... It's just your usage of the word "sellers"...you consider losing free agents that we are better off not keeping(Encarnacion, Burnett), makes us sellers...when it doesn't. Getting Rid of Delgado for no reason makes us Sellers!!!!!! Umm Delgado has not been dealt. Go back to reading about your precious Phillies, we all know your the biggest Phillie homer on this board.
November 11, 200520 yr Delmon Young was complaining about how the DRays were just being cheap for not calling him up this September and he's on their 40 man roster.
November 11, 200520 yr Also, even if a minor leaguer is called up, arent they guranteed MLB league minimum money even if they are demoted? I might be wrong. Just like marlins161 is wrong about Olsen not showing anything, except that he pitched really well until he got to Philadelphia. anyone on the 40 will be making the minimum at least. Untrue. The active 25 man roster makes MLB money. Not everyone on the 40 man. So my point, which is absolutely correct, that Olsen wouldn't volunteer to be demoted to the minors to be a starter. Guys like Riedling, who had a big league contract, still made his big league money even though he was sent to the minors. But guys like Olsen, who didn't have a big league contract when the season started, made big league money when he was called up. Like I said Olsen would never say send me down so I can start and turn away a daily breakdown of the MLB minimum of $316,000. That didn't happen. I am 1-zillon percent right about this I realize newbies always think they can't be wrong but there were numerous published stories, quoting Jack and others, that Olsen couldn't be used ot of the pen. They asked him to go to the pen to make room for Valdez and he declined, leaving the Marlins with the only option left to them, which was to option him to Carolina. If Olsen was so LIGHTS OUT as Spike claims, then why would one poor start in Philly cost him his spot in the rotation to Valdez. We're talking Izzy Valdez not Roger Clemens. You guys want to insist that Olsen is a stud, go ahead. You want to insist that Olsen said I want to go to the minors because I can't relieve, go ahead. As it turned out, Vargas immidately went into the rotation. ONCE AGAIN, because you guys seem to have a comprehnsion problem, why didn't Olsen reclaim a rotation spot over Vargas when Vargas immediately went into the rotation? 2003, aren't you the one who said NO WAY Delgado was even going to be shopped. That it was all made up by the media. Guess you were right on that too buddy FYI, Olsen got crushed by the Phils on July 16. Vargas was in the rotation, starting July 18. Olsen in the meantime never pitched again after July 16. Somehow he got hurt. Did he punch a wall in Carolina when he was demoted? Um Olsen had one bad start. Besides that, he was excellent. More K than IP, and a low ERA. You've been shown stats that show he was very good except one start, and told that he was sent down because of inability to pitch out of the pen. Yet you continue to argue, once again showing your a troll. Olsen wasn't excellent. That's the bottom line. He was OK. Was lit up like a X Mas tree in Philly and was demoted because Vargas was better. Olsen didn't say he didn't want to relieve. The club may have felt he was a better starter and not a reliever, so he should be sent down, but that wasn't Olsen saying it. Bottom line Olsen wasn't better than Valdez or Vargas and he some how hurt his elbow. Now he is a medical risk and he remains a good prospect not a great one. Vargas is better, more durable, better worker and clearly the guy the Marlins liked. Otherwise, Olsen would have stayed. It's that simple
November 11, 200520 yr Also, even if a minor leaguer is called up, arent they guranteed MLB league minimum money even if they are demoted? I might be wrong. Just like marlins161 is wrong about Olsen not showing anything, except that he pitched really well until he got to Philadelphia. anyone on the 40 will be making the minimum at least. Untrue. The active 25 man roster makes MLB money. Not everyone on the 40 man. So my point, which is absolutely correct, that Olsen wouldn't volunteer to be demoted to the minors to be a starter. Guys like Riedling, who had a big league contract, still made his big league money even though he was sent to the minors. But guys like Olsen, who didn't have a big league contract when the season started, made big league money when he was called up. Like I said Olsen would never say send me down so I can start and turn away a daily breakdown of the MLB minimum of $316,000. That didn't happen. I am 1-zillon percent right about this I realize newbies always think they can't be wrong but there were numerous published stories, quoting Jack and others, that Olsen couldn't be used ot of the pen. They asked him to go to the pen to make room for Valdez and he declined, leaving the Marlins with the only option left to them, which was to option him to Carolina. If Olsen was so LIGHTS OUT as Spike claims, then why would one poor start in Philly cost him his spot in the rotation to Valdez. We're talking Izzy Valdez not Roger Clemens. You guys want to insist that Olsen is a stud, go ahead. You want to insist that Olsen said I want to go to the minors because I can't relieve, go ahead. As it turned out, Vargas immidately went into the rotation. ONCE AGAIN, because you guys seem to have a comprehnsion problem, why didn't Olsen reclaim a rotation spot over Vargas when Vargas immediately went into the rotation? 2003, aren't you the one who said NO WAY Delgado was even going to be shopped. That it was all made up by the media. Guess you were right on that too buddy FYI, Olsen got crushed by the Phils on July 16. Vargas was in the rotation, starting July 18. Olsen in the meantime never pitched again after July 16. Somehow he got hurt. Did he punch a wall in Carolina when he was demoted? Um Olsen had one bad start. Besides that, he was excellent. More K than IP, and a low ERA. You've been shown stats that show he was very good except one start, and told that he was sent down because of inability to pitch out of the pen. Yet you continue to argue, once again showing your a troll. Olsen wasn't excellent. That's the bottom line. He was OK. Was lit up like a X Mas tree in Philly and was demoted because Vargas was better. Olsen didn't say he didn't want to relieve. The club may have felt he was a better starter and not a reliever, so he should be sent down, but that wasn't Olsen saying it. Bottom line Olsen wasn't better than Valdez or Vargas and he some how hurt his elbow. Now he is a medical risk and he remains a good prospect not a great one. Vargas is better, more durable, better worker and clearly the guy the Marlins liked. Otherwise, Olsen would have stayed. It's that simple Um Olsen was excellent besides that game in Philly, espicially for a 21 year old. And he did say he didnt want to relieve, Vargas was willing to, that is why Olsen was demoted. You must have a malfunction or something. And 100% right? I cant see you being 100% about anything.
November 11, 200520 yr One thing you can say about newbie, he (or she) never let's facts stand in the way when it comes to being assinine.
November 11, 200520 yr I want Spike to tell me we're not sellers this offseason after all these articles.... It's just your usage of the word "sellers"...you consider losing free agents that we are better off not keeping(Encarnacion, Burnett), makes us sellers...when it doesn't. Getting Rid of Delgado for no reason makes us Sellers!!!!!! Umm Delgado has not been dealt. Go back to reading about your precious Phillies, we all know your the biggest Phillie homer on this board. This Marlins are sellers. Shopping Delgado and Lowell is proof positive.
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.