Look, you don't like the Marlins. Fine. Just be up front about it. Your loser Dolphins haven't even sniffed a championship in your lifetime, yet you support them over a team that has done nothing but win in their short history here? Please.

 

 

You are a joke, do you go around asking people for handouts as well. Joe Robbie built HIS stadium. At least the FIns did it the right way. I like the Marlins, I admit I am not a bit baseball fan in general, but I am speaking objectively, forget about state and county funds, they want a stadium let them build it themselves. You dont know me from Adam so what right do you have to attack me.

I listened to Dan's show today and someone called in with something I didn't know but so true and it isn't talked about. Did you know that cities and states give away millions of tax dollars to corporations to relocate or stay to there city or state. There millionaires no billionaires why do they need cities and states to give them millions of tax dollars. Do they effect you directly? but again they aren't made public and of course we know why

we have yet another winner. many of you really have no clue how 'it' works with corporate america and cities throughout America regarding what they will do to either a) lure th em b) keep em.

 

go attend a city council meeting.

How many jobs will the Marlins new stadium bring in addition to what they are providing now? It is usually the local governments that give consessions to corpoations to come to that county, I think that is what Miami-Dade did. It is not commmon for state governments to do so, and it shouldnt happen with the Marlins. You guys are just poor losers. I want the Marlins to stay as bad as the next guy, but not at my expense, and obviously the majority of the population thinks that way as the Marlins could not get a sales tax increase to pay for the stadium. Say bye bye to the Marlins because Loria is too cheap.

 

PS - the money Loria was putting up was in the form of guaranteed rents, wouldnt the Marlins have to pay rent anyway for the stadium on county land? Loria was not coming out of pocket one single dollar.

KEEP VOTING FOR BUSH

 

 

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I'm a huge marlins fan and I think the state should not have to fund this stadium. It's idiotic that people here are makign baseless claims about our state government, only b/c they ddint use tax money to fund a private stadium for a private business. Sorry but corporate welfare isn't the way to go no matter how much i love the marlins. Peronally i wanted the stadium funded so the marlins can stay. Furthermore Jeb isnt a lame duck governor, lame duck means the new governor has already been elected and the sittign governor has a few more months before the new one steps into office.

 

 

By that logic, the State of Florida should NEVER promise tax breaks and other inducements to any private company who's looking to stay in Florida or move to Florida. That's not reality. If Florida had any Fortune 50 businesses who threatened to leave and move to another state, you can bet that Florida would manage to offer up some orporate "welfare" to induce them to stay.

 

Actually when talking about a stadium, economic models are not very clear on what beenfits it may bring t othe local community. Although most people think new stadiums are a boost to local economies, most economists disagree. So again i ask why should the state government put money into the marlins new stadium?

I'm a huge marlins fan and I think the state should not have to fund this stadium. It's idiotic that people here are makign baseless claims about our state government, only b/c they ddint use tax money to fund a private stadium for a private business. Sorry but corporate welfare isn't the way to go no matter how much i love the marlins. Peronally i wanted the stadium funded so the marlins can stay. Furthermore Jeb isnt a lame duck governor, lame duck means the new governor has already been elected and the sittign governor has a few more months before the new one steps into office.

 

 

By that logic, the State of Florida should NEVER promise tax breaks and other inducements to any private company who's looking to stay in Florida or move to Florida. That's not reality. If Florida had any Fortune 50 businesses who threatened to leave and move to another state, you can bet that Florida would manage to offer up some orporate "welfare" to induce them to stay.

 

Actually when talking about a stadium, economic models are not very clear on what beenfits it may bring t othe local community. Although most people think new stadiums are a boost to local economies, most economists disagree. So again i ask why should the state government put money into the marlins new stadium?

 

I'm not arguing that the stadium will pump money into the economy. But I know that the Marlins will pump money into the economy by their very presence. If they don't get a new stadium, they're leaving for another city. Which means the positive impact the Marlins make on the economy will disappear.

 

Yes, it's very nice to say that taxpayers shouldn't subsidize millionaires. Beautiful sentiment. Only it's not at all how the real world works.

I'm a huge marlins fan and I think the state should not have to fund this stadium. It's idiotic that people here are makign baseless claims about our state government, only b/c they ddint use tax money to fund a private stadium for a private business. Sorry but corporate welfare isn't the way to go no matter how much i love the marlins. Peronally i wanted the stadium funded so the marlins can stay. Furthermore Jeb isnt a lame duck governor, lame duck means the new governor has already been elected and the sittign governor has a few more months before the new one steps into office.

 

 

By that logic, the State of Florida should NEVER promise tax breaks and other inducements to any private company who's looking to stay in Florida or move to Florida. That's not reality. If Florida had any Fortune 50 businesses who threatened to leave and move to another state, you can bet that Florida would manage to offer up some orporate "welfare" to induce them to stay.

 

Actually when talking about a stadium, economic models are not very clear on what beenfits it may bring t othe local community. Although most people think new stadiums are a boost to local economies, most economists disagree. So again i ask why should the state government put money into the marlins new stadium?

 

I'm not arguing that the stadium will pump money into the economy. But I know that the Marlins will pump money into the economy by their very presence. If they don't get a new stadium, they're leaving for another city. Which means the positive impact the Marlins make on the economy will disappear.

 

Yes, it's very nice to say that taxpayers shouldn't subsidize millionaires. Beautiful sentiment. Only it's not at all how the real world works.

 

Unfortunately you're letting your love of the marlins cloud your common sense. If the state legislature actually felt that the economic benefit of having the marlins in miami was greater than what the state had to give up to do so, they wouldve allowed the tax break. However, that isnt how it works, the state legislature KNOWS that putting down money to help the marlins build the new stadium will not benefit the STATE (notice i said the state and not the city) in a substantial enough way for it to be worth giving up the money they would otherwise be making. Furthermore, the state cannot give this break to the marlins without shortcomings occuring in other sectors, i've been to lazy to read any committee notes or floor discussion transcripts of the state senate, so unless you have done so and can assure me that nothing more economically beneficial from the state wouldnt be turned down, my argument continues to stand as valid. I know you want the team to stay, and so do I, but you need to reopen your economics 101 book before you start crisizing the state.

Studies have been done and they have found that the benefit of a new stadium is practically nothing....if you think about it , it makes sense the jobs to build the stadium are temporary , the jobs in the stadium are low paying part time jobs . The main problem with the Marlins stadium is the owner , whether anyone cares to admit it or not Loria is not a "bright" owner instead losing all this money on payroll(which i dont believe he has) why not bridge the gap in funding ??? Is any of the huge payroll cuts this year going to the stadium???? The Marlins like everyother mlb team get a big check from Fox , they all share mlb merchandise, the marlins have a tv contract , radio, even if there attendance is not so good what was in 05??? 1.8 million tix sold?? ...1.8 million times 25 bucks for an average ticket , Loria is claims he is losing so much money why not open the books ??? The guy is trying to gut another franchise

legacy, I think your problem here is that you're dealing in theory and not in practice (as we poli sci majors tend to be guilty of). Say what you want about not giving money to the Marlins for a stadium and the state having other responsibilities, but why wasn't that the case when the Devil Rays, Magic, and Wayne Huizenga all needed/wanted money? They got theres, why can't South Florida get ours? That simple.

legacy, I think your problem here is that you're dealing in theory and not in practice (as we poli sci majors tend to be guilty of). Say what you want about not giving money to the Marlins for a stadium and the state having other responsibilities, but why wasn't that the case when the Devil Rays, Magic, and Wayne Huizenga all needed/wanted money? They got theres, why can't South Florida get ours? That simple.

 

 

I defintely get your point, and as a fan I want the marlins to ge ttheir stadium. But the truth is a 30-45 million funding gap is small enough to be covered in other ways. Which is why i agree with Irish's post. What is our payroll going to be this year? 35-40 million? Thats 25 million saved from last year give or take.

 

legacy, I think your problem here is that you're dealing in theory and not in practice (as we poli sci majors tend to be guilty of). Say what you want about not giving money to the Marlins for a stadium and the state having other responsibilities, but why wasn't that the case when the Devil Rays, Magic, and Wayne Huizenga all needed/wanted money? They got theres, why can't South Florida get ours? That simple.

 

 

I defintely get your point, and as a fan I want the marlins to ge ttheir stadium. But the truth is a 30-45 million funding gap is small enough to be covered in other ways. Which is why i agree with Irish's post. What is our payroll going to be this year? 35-40 million? Thats 25 million saved from last year give or take.

 

 

I also think its bull that every other team has gotten their funding but the marlins havent

I also think its bull that every other team has gotten their funding but the marlins havent

 

You can blame that on Mr. Wayne Huzienga.

 

He got (and continues to get) the funding for the Marlins, even though he hasn't owned them in 6 years.

 

Oh, yes, and there's this observation in Rob Neyer's column today...

 

Privately financed? Pac Bell Park cost $343 million (in 2001 dollars), and the actual public cost was $142 million. In other words, a stadium that supposedly was 95 percent team-financed was actually 59 percent team-financed.

 

Okay, so this explodes the myth that the owners in San Francisco built their own stadium. If we assume that the actual cost of building a new stadium for the Marlins is 450M (a much more realistic figure than the 380M the Marlins are floating aroud), then the team's planned contribution, 212M is approximately 47 percent of the total cost. In other words, not far off the Giants' contribution.