May 1, 200620 yr When Jeremy Hermida returns this week we are going to see some changes in our lineup. I think what may be best for the team at this point is putting Hermida in the leadoff spot. While Hanley has been hitting a ton this season, he has also been striking out a ton. Hanley's power and speed are better suited for the second place in the order and with Hermida batting in front of him we will put him in position to drive in some runs. It seems to me that a batting order that starts off with Hermida-Hanley-Cabrera-Willingham definitely puts the Marlins in a better position to win than Hanley-Uggla-Cabrera-Willingham. While Uggla has been doing very well for us, he is better suited to bat sixth in the order (or fifth until Jacobs starts to really pick it up). The Marlins need to shake things up once Hermida returns and maybe throwing Hermida into the leadoff spot is just what we need to put an end to these one-run losses.
May 1, 200620 yr Hermida has more power than Shadez, he just hasn't had a chance to show it yet, but this might be an interesting experiment against RHP where Hanely has struggled the most (650OPS or so with 20K+).
May 1, 200620 yr Author Hermida projects to get on base more often than Hanley with his ability to draw walks and he should strike out a lot less, some things that make him more suited for the leadoff spot. Not to mention his ability to hit. He also has some speed and could steal a number of bases. I know Hermida has more power, but with the lack of a true leadoff hitter it falls on Hermida or Hanley to bat first. Things need to be shaken up in the Marlins lineup and I think this might be the move to make.
May 1, 200620 yr Author Uggla just doesn't have the contact hitting ability to hit second in the lineup. He is hitting .253 right now and has 16 strikeouts (5th most on the team). If everything goes right for Uggla over the course of the whole season, he will still finish with an average around .265 and 100+ strikeouts. Definitely not someone you want batting second all season long.
May 1, 200620 yr Hermida leading off does sound like a good experiment but I dont think that is the problem
May 1, 200620 yr 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Batting Hermida leadoff reminds me of what Washington/Montreal used to do with Brad Wilkerson; Wilkerson had the OBP to bat leadoff but would benefit from hitting lower in the lineup.
May 1, 200620 yr I don't think Uggla is going to strike out 100 times. True. He'll probably strikeout more than a hundred times if he stays healthy all year and keeps his job.
May 1, 200620 yr I don't think Uggla is going to strike out 100 times. True. He'll probably strikeout more than a hundred times if he stays healthy all year and keeps his job. :lol I think he'll strike out about 80-90 times.
May 1, 200620 yr I don't think Uggla is going to strike out 100 times. True. He'll probably strikeout more than a hundred times if he stays healthy all year and keeps his job. :lol I think he'll strike out about 80-90 times. He's on pace for 120. That's quite a variance.
May 1, 200620 yr Really? I should have checked. I guess he's been striking out left and right the last few games. I take back what I said. He'll strike out over 100 times, though I hope he can keep it at around 90.
May 1, 200620 yr Uggla had very good strikeout numbers through the start of the season. It's only these last two games whiffing 6 times where he's looked particulary bad. Hard to say which is the real Dan, I guess somewhere in between. He has hit better at #2 than down at #6 or lower in the order though, that much is certain. I have no problem leaving Hanley 1 & Uggla 2 for now, even after Hermida gets back. Bat Hermida 5th maybe. Jacobs isn't scaring anyone in the middle of the order anyway.
May 1, 200620 yr 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Id love to see that at the top of the order, but you're right we do need that Juan Pierre type of guy. Hopefully Campusano keeps doing what hes doing and we can call him up in September and have him ready to start next season. I think Hanley belongs in the number 2 spot. Its kinda like how the Yankees had Jeter batting 1st because they had no one else but he was really a number 2 guy. I think Hanley really is that number 2 guy. And Hermida fits perfectly in the 3 spot because he has power and can take a walk. Plus he'll be in front of Miguel so he'll see good pitches.
May 1, 200620 yr Uggla just doesn't have the contact hitting ability to hit second in the lineup. He is hitting .253 right now and has 16 strikeouts (5th most on the team). If everything goes right for Uggla over the course of the whole season, he will still finish with an average around .265 and 100+ strikeouts. Definitely not someone you want batting second all season long. The flaw in your logic is that you're using overall stats, not stats based on lineup position. As #6: .241/.333/.345, 3 2B, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 3 BB, 4 K, 0 SB, 1 CS (29 AB) As #2: .286/.340/.490, 1 2B, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 4 BB, 9 K, 2 SB, 0 CS (49 AB) The K/BB ratio is better as #6 than #2 and he's striking out less from that spot (110 K's projected over 600 AB in the 2 slot while 83 over 600 AB in the 6 slot), but that's where the bonuses end. His numbers across the board are higher in the two slot, including a significant boost in average, slugging, homers, RBIs, and steal percentage (remember stealing hinges on the hitter behind you). The only part of your projection that is acceptable is the strikeout numbers if he were to receive 600 at bats in the two hole at the rate he is currently hitting at. However there is no other rational basis for you to reach the conclusion you did. Until an unforeseen alteration in the statistics emerge, Uggla has proven to be the best number two hitter on this team for 2006.
May 1, 200620 yr oi, I really think we're now putting way too much emphasis on where someone hits in the lineup.
May 1, 200620 yr oi, I really think we're now putting way too much emphasis on where someone hits in the lineup. No sir :thumbup
May 1, 200620 yr oi, I really think we're now putting way too much emphasis on where someone hits in the lineup. No sir :thumbup :lol OK!
May 1, 200620 yr Id still like Uggla in the 2 hole.. move Hermida down, take some pressure off him i agree. hermida shouldn't lead off -he has too much power for that spot. it would be like having cabrera lead off (though not as drastic). i think we'll still have hanram lead off and uggla would have to drop down to 5th or 6th. hermy hasn't done so well so far and he's just coming back from an injury so he isn't likely to get off to a hot start.
May 1, 200620 yr Author Uggla just doesn't have the contact hitting ability to hit second in the lineup. He is hitting .253 right now and has 16 strikeouts (5th most on the team). If everything goes right for Uggla over the course of the whole season, he will still finish with an average around .265 and 100+ strikeouts. Definitely not someone you want batting second all season long. The flaw in your logic is that you're using overall stats, not stats based on lineup position. As #6: .241/.333/.345, 3 2B, 0 HR, 1 RBI, 3 BB, 4 K, 0 SB, 1 CS (29 AB) As #2: .286/.340/.490, 1 2B, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 4 BB, 9 K, 2 SB, 0 CS (49 AB) The K/BB ratio is better as #6 than #2 and he's striking out less from that spot (110 K's projected over 600 AB in the 2 slot while 83 over 600 AB in the 6 slot), but that's where the bonuses end. His numbers across the board are higher in the two slot, including a significant boost in average, slugging, homers, RBIs, and steal percentage (remember stealing hinges on the hitter behind you). The only part of your projection that is acceptable is the strikeout numbers if he were to receive 600 at bats in the two hole at the rate he is currently hitting at. However there is no other rational basis for you to reach the conclusion you did. Until an unforeseen alteration in the statistics emerge, Uggla has proven to be the best number two hitter on this team for 2006. We'll see if you are singing the same tune once Uggla reaches around 150-200 ABs. By then pitchers will have a much better scouting report on Uggla and he will be hitting around the rate I predict, if not worse. If that .286/.340/.490 line still holds or is better by that time I will eat my hat. Note that this is not to say he is terrible. I think our cost-cutting FO made a great move picking up Uggla for the price they were willing to spend. I just don't think he is suited for the two slot.
May 1, 200620 yr 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Batting Hermida leadoff reminds me of what Washington/Montreal used to do with Brad Wilkerson; Wilkerson had the OBP to bat leadoff but would benefit from hitting lower in the lineup. lets see who on this team is always on base and has the best strkeout/onbase/up at the plate/steals . for that number 1 spot ..lets see, someone with alot of ability to find a way on base, w/ speed and talent thats sorta like Juan?? :whistle mmmm? oh yea do your research I DARE YA
May 1, 200620 yr How 'bout we put Miggy at the leadoff spot so the opposite team can always walk him.
May 1, 200620 yr oi, I really think we're now putting way too much emphasis on where someone hits in the lineup. No sir :thumbup :lol OK! hmmm protection from Cabs and Hammer or "protection" from Kool Aid and Olivo 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Batting Hermida leadoff reminds me of what Washington/Montreal used to do with Brad Wilkerson; Wilkerson had the OBP to bat leadoff but would benefit from hitting lower in the lineup. lets see who on this team is always on base and has the best strkeout/onbase/up at the plate/steals . for that number 1 spot ..lets see, someone with alot of ability to find a way on base, w/ speed and talent thats sorta like Juan?? :whistle mmmm? oh yea do your research I DARE YA dude, your boy stinks.
May 1, 200620 yr oi, I really think we're now putting way too much emphasis on where someone hits in the lineup. No sir :thumbup :lol OK! hmmm protection from Cabs and Hammer or "protection" from Kool Aid and Olivo 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Batting Hermida leadoff reminds me of what Washington/Montreal used to do with Brad Wilkerson; Wilkerson had the OBP to bat leadoff but would benefit from hitting lower in the lineup. lets see who on this team is always on base and has the best strkeout/onbase/up at the plate/steals . for that number 1 spot ..lets see, someone with alot of ability to find a way on base, w/ speed and talent thats sorta like Juan?? :whistle mmmm? oh yea do your research I DARE YA dude, your boy stinks. WoW some ReaL SOLID RESEARCH your laughable
May 1, 200620 yr 1. Someone 2. Hanley 3. Hermida 4. Cabs That would be ideal, but since we don't have a stereotypical leadoff guy (read: Juan Pierre), that wont be happening. Batting Hermida leadoff reminds me of what Washington/Montreal used to do with Brad Wilkerson; Wilkerson had the OBP to bat leadoff but would benefit from hitting lower in the lineup. lets see who on this team is always on base and has the best strkeout/onbase/up at the plate/steals . for that number 1 spot ..lets see, someone with alot of ability to find a way on base, w/ speed and talent thats sorta like Juan?? :whistle mmmm? oh yea do your research I DARE YA If he's "always on base," it's because all he's good for is pinch-running.
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