Scotty Pippen was asked yesterday who he rather play with in there primes, Jordan Or LeBron and the idiot says on live t.v. that he rather play with James. I mean how could he say something like that, Jordan got him 6 rings and a place on the 50 greatest players list. IMO i thought that was a slap in the face to M.J. cause without Jordan there would have never been a Scottie Pippen and i dont think anyone would disagree with me cause we all saw a JordanLess Pippen and he wasnt the same....

 

I mean dont get me wrong LeBron is an awesome player but he hasnt done anything yet to me mentioned with the likes of M.J. He has shown in short time that he will be one of the greatest but if i were in Pippens shoes i would have never made a comment like that.....

 

What do you guys think of Pippens statements.....

he just got caught up in the moment.. he can't really believe that.

 

 

You really don't know what you're talking about with Scottie though.. you couldn't be farther away. Scottie Pippen is one of the best players of all time.. and because of a lot of you uneducated people out there who just say Scottie can't be good because MJ was on his team.. is just stupid and that is what makes him one of the most underrated players ever. He was a physical specimen and arguably the best defender of all time. MJ didn't get a ring without Scottie and Scottie came damn close to getting one without MJ.

 

 

Anyway, i agree with you that he was wrong in what he said.. but you are just in a long line of clueless people when it comes to his game. He was awesome.

Yeah....Pippen couldn't play with out Jordan yet he averaged career highs in points, rebounds, and steals in '94.

 

Together they were awesome, but it is not like Pippen fell apart without MJ. He was asked to be the man for the Bulls that year, and he did every bit of that.

I don't care what Pippen was with or without MJ...At this point, it's absolutely ridiculous to say he'd rather play with LeBron, after just three years (only one of which involved playoffs).

I guess he said that because LeBron loves to pass a lot more than Jordan.

I don't care what Pippen was with or without MJ...At this point, it's absolutely ridiculous to say he'd rather play with LeBron, after just three years (only one of which involved playoffs).

 

LeBron is the greatest 21 year old NBA player of all time.

I don't care what Pippen was with or without MJ...At this point, it's absolutely ridiculous to say he'd rather play with LeBron, after just three years (only one of which involved playoffs).

 

LeBron is the greatest 21 year old NBA player of all time.

 

 

Exactly. The greatest 21-year-old NBA player ever. And let me point out something else guys, JRLexus skewed the question and answer posed to Pippen.

 

The REAL question was, who would you rather have on your team: LBJ in year 3 (right now), or MJ in his third year, not his prime.

 

Pippen said he would rather have LBJ because although MJ averaged more ppg, LBJ in year 3 had a better overall understanding of the game than MJ at that point and does not need to dominate the ball to score and help teammates as much as MJ year 3.

 

Scottie's answer is perfectly logical and was not by any means a slap in MJs face. Don't think for a second Pippen would have hesistated to say he would take a prime MJ over LBJ year 3. Let's not skew the facts of what was asked and said.

Ok if we're comparing first three years, ok. That's fine.

 

 

But let's just be in agreement that if we're talking overall, MJ is still the best.

Ok if we're comparing first three years, ok. That's fine.

 

 

But let's just be in agreement that if we're talking overall, MJ is still the best.

 

You can't compare overall when one player has had his career, and the other has had only 3 years of it. You can only compare what they both have had, and Lebron is better 3 years in to his career.

Ok if we're comparing first three years, ok. That's fine.

 

 

But let's just be in agreement that if we're talking overall, MJ is still the best.

 

You can't compare overall when one player has had his career, and the other has had only 3 years of it. You can only compare what they both have had, and Lebron is better 3 years in to his career.

That's pretty much what I said

 

I'm just saying that MJ is the greatest of all time. LBJ has yet to achieve that greatness.

 

Yes, he 'COULD' eventually...

It's hard to imagine Lebron topping MJ. The Bulls were pretty much unbeatable when MJ was in his prime. As for the Pippen arguement, I fully believe Pippen is one of the top 50 players in the league. He may be the most versatile player ever. But he owes a ton and a half to Jordan.

It's hard to imagine Lebron topping MJ. The Bulls were pretty much unbeatable when MJ was in his prime. As for the Pippen arguement, I fully believe Pippen is one of the top 50 players in the league. He may be the most versatile player ever. But he owes a ton and a half to Jordan.

 

 

 

Why are we so quick to discount Pippen's ability to do well on his own? Is it merely based on the fact that Jordan was a better player than he was?

 

As Passion, pointed out, in '94 without Jordan he posted career highs in points, rebounds and steals while leading the Bulls to a 55 win season and a 3rd seed in the NBA playoffs. Does he owe that to Jordan too?

 

Look, the fact is that while Jordan was great, Pippen was also great in his own right and without him there are no championships either. As of May 19, 2006, they are still the best 1-2 duo in NBA history and both were vital cogs to the cause.

 

I always find it ridiculous how easily Pippen is cast aside in the shadows because of Michael Jordan, fair or not.

Not to mention in '94, Scottie didn't have a "Scottie Pippen" playing next to him.

Awesome point Iowa along with The Fan's.

 

I do believe, and I like Jordan alot, that when Kobe Bryant and LeBron James' careers are over, there will be a very strong debate on who was the greatest player of all time.

Awesome point Iowa along with The Fan's.

 

I do believe, and I like Jordan alot, that when Kobe Bryant and LeBron James' careers are over, there will be a very strong debate on who was the greatest player of all time.

I agree and what a fun debate its going to be

It's hard to imagine Lebron topping MJ. The Bulls were pretty much unbeatable when MJ was in his prime. As for the Pippen arguement, I fully believe Pippen is one of the top 50 players in the league. He may be the most versatile player ever. But he owes a ton and a half to Jordan.

 

 

 

Why are we so quick to discount Pippen's ability to do well on his own? Is it merely based on the fact that Jordan was a better player than he was?

 

As Passion, pointed out, in '94 without Jordan he posted career highs in points, rebounds and steals while leading the Bulls to a 55 win season and a 3rd seed in the NBA playoffs. Does he owe that to Jordan too?

 

Look, the fact is that while Jordan was great, Pippen was also great in his own right and without him there are no championships either. As of May 19, 2006, they are still the best 1-2 duo in NBA history and both were vital cogs to the cause.

 

I always find it ridiculous how easily Pippen is cast aside in the shadows because of Michael Jordan, fair or not.

 

He owes his 6 rings to Jordan. I happen to agree with everything you say...I think, to some extent, you just said the same thing I said, but in a different way. But Pippen would be Patrick Ewing or something like that without Jordan.

 

I also think that Jordan and the Bulls could have dominated the league if you replaced Pippen with any other multiple All-Star. I don't think you could say the same thing of Pippen if you were to replace Jordan. Feel free to disagree on that point.

 

I'm not discounting Pippen for one second. I said he's a top 50 player. I said he may be the most versatile player ever. But there's no question he owes a lot of his fame, success, endorsement money, etc. to Jordan. And, certainly, Jordan owes quite a bit to Pippen, but it's not nearly to the same level. Jordan was the engine on that team. For all of Pippen's success in 1994, his defining moment in that season was undoubtedly when he benched himself because the coach called Toni Kukoc's number.

 

And I don't believe Kobe will ever so outstrip Jordan as to leave MJ out of the debate for greatest player ever. I don't even believe he will pass him at all, but certainly not so far as to leave Jordan out of the debate. We'll see what Lebron's capable of, though...too soon to call.

I didn't say Jordan would be out of the argument, but the argument would consist of Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron.

OK, I just misunderstood.

Exactly. The greatest 21-year-old NBA player ever. And let me point out something else guys, JRLexus skewed the question and answer posed to Pippen.

 

The REAL question was, who would you rather have on your team: LBJ in year 3 (right now), or MJ in his third year, not his prime.

 

Pippen said he would rather have LBJ because although MJ averaged more ppg, LBJ in year 3 had a better overall understanding of the game than MJ at that point and does not need to dominate the ball to score and help teammates as much as MJ year 3.

 

Scottie's answer is perfectly logical and was not by any means a slap in MJs face. Don't think for a second Pippen would have hesistated to say he would take a prime MJ over LBJ year 3. Let's not skew the facts of what was asked and said.

 

 

Thank you for clarifying Fan, that makes complete sense then.

I don't think Kobe ever has or ever will approach MJ's greatness since he's not as good of a shooter as MJ was, but it's certainly possible for LeBron to end his career better than MJ.

I don't think Kobe ever has or ever will approach MJ's greatness since he's not as good of a shooter as MJ was, but it's certainly possible for LeBron to end his career better than MJ.

 

 

what? kobe's a f***ing machine, he can hit a shot from anywhere on the floor. :blink: also kobe's a much better shooter than Lebron yet Lebron can be better than Michael but Kobe cant?

Kobe will have better total career numbers then Jordan as well.

Kobe will have better total career numbers then Jordan as well.

 

 

You mean in terms of totals? Like points scored over the course of his career and stuff like that? Cause I don't think he's gonna have him beat on averages. Jordan has him beat right now on just about every category. Kobe's hitting the same age now that Jordan was at when his numbers started to fall off just a little. Kobe's at his prime. Within the next couple of years, I would predict a slight falloff in his production.

Scottie Pippen is on crack.

 

LeBron has won 1 playoff series, Jordan has 6 rings.

 

 

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btw I would take Kobe over LeBron much less Jordan.

The reason Kobe will have better stats is because he got an early start to his career.