Brewers manager Ned Yost confirmed after Friday's game that Derrick Turnbow would be taken out of the closer's role for now.

 

Yost didn't name a replacement. He might go with a committee involving Matt Wise, Brian Shouse and Jose Capellan. Dan Kolb has pitched better of late, but he's mostly been doing it in blowouts. Wise is the best pickup of the group in fantasy leagues. Turnbow, who has blown four saves and taken four losses this month, should get a chance to reclaim his job as soon as he strings some good outings togteher. Jul. 22 - 2:40 am et

Why do so many teams have such trouble finding that lockdown guy in the 9th then? I'd say only about a 3rd of the league is completely satisfied with their closer.

 

Because they really aren't good pitchers. The lights-out closers in the league could probably be more effective for the team in other roles.

 

LMAO....you really can't believe that....Your saying that Mariano Rivera would be more effective elsewhere???? Umm....Eric Gagne blew as a starter but was lights-out as a closer in a shorter stint......John Smoltz was a good starter and an awesome closer....Your way off on this point.

well you certainly have the right to your opinion but cant say I agree with it (seems to be a running trend lol)

well why couldn't Vladimir Nunez or Alfonseca do it for the Marlins if it's so easy?

I think he's awesome.. he can bring it.

 

Good call moron

 

 

 

 

damn it

I don't like loading all star teams with closers to begin with. It's such an overrated role in baseball.

Then why is it so difficult to win without a shutdown closer?

I don't like loading all star teams with closers to begin with. It's such an overrated role in baseball.

Then why is it so difficult to win without a shutdown closer?

It's not.

so overrated that starters can't close???? That's why there are closers are in the league...certain people don't have the mental makeup to go one inning with the game on the line.

 

Starters can't close because they can't go that many innings. I don't see your point.

 

I happen to think that pitching in the 9th inning is the EASIEST of all innings. Your time is likely already ahead, the opposing offense has the mental disadvantage of only having three outs left, and you don't have to deal with inherited runners on base.

 

I personally think that middle relief pitchers have the tougher job. They often have to come into games with RISP. The game is much more on the line in those cases rather than a situation with a lead and the bases empty.

 

So just because it's 1 inning it's the EASIEST thing in the world?! What makes the closers role so important is because he not only takes on the same challenges as a MR but more. He comes into the game at a point where the game is ON THE LINE. The closer's mentality has to be deep, you need a pitcher with a LOT of focus along with the ability to stay calm no matter the situation. You think the closer is never put into the game with RISP? That happens to be one of the rules to be credited with a save. To be a succesful closer, you need to be consistant which is why it's such a difficult role.

 

 

I don't like loading all star teams with closers to begin with. It's such an overrated role in baseball.

Then why is it so difficult to win without a shutdown closer?

Examples?

The closer this thread is about is an example

The closer this thread is about is an example

If being 6 games under .500 and 3rd in the division is your goal then sure, you can live with a bad closer.

According to BBTN tonight, Turnbow is no longer the Brewers closer (at least temporarily). Quite a turn for him, from All-Star to out of a job in the same season.

According to BBTN tonight, Turnbow is no longer the Brewers closer (at least temporarily). Quite a turn for him, from All-Star to out of a job in the same season.

 

lol within 2 weeks

so overrated that starters can't close???? That's why there are closers are in the league...certain people don't have the mental makeup to go one inning with the game on the line.

 

Starters can't close because they can't go that many innings. I don't see your point.

 

I happen to think that pitching in the 9th inning is the EASIEST of all innings. Your time is likely already ahead, the opposing offense has the mental disadvantage of only having three outs left, and you don't have to deal with inherited runners on base.

 

I personally think that middle relief pitchers have the tougher job. They often have to come into games with RISP. The game is much more on the line in those cases rather than a situation with a lead and the bases empty.

 

So just because it's 1 inning it's the EASIEST thing in the world?! What makes the closers role so important is because he not only takes on the same challenges as a MR but more. He comes into the game at a point where the game is ON THE LINE. The closer's mentality has to be deep, you need a pitcher with a LOT of focus along with the ability to stay calm no matter the situation. You think the closer is never put into the game with RISP? That happens to be one of the rules to be credited with a save. To be a succesful closer, you need to be consistant which is why it's such a difficult role.

 

 

I don't like loading all star teams with closers to begin with. It's such an overrated role in baseball.

Then why is it so difficult to win without a shutdown closer?

Examples?

The closer this thread is about is an example

 

One inning at the end of the game when you have the lead, bases empty (yes, most closers only pitch when the benches are empty), and only three outs to achieve, IS the easiest leg of a major league baseball game to pitch. The game is just as "on the line" when a middle reliever inherits two runners in scoring position. I would think you would need deeper mentality when you are thrown into a shitstorm instead of a bases empty situation. That is when you need to be calm because one BASE HIT can lose it for you. In the 9th (barring a home run of course), the opposing team needs a lot of things to work for them.

 

Yes, there are other rules for the save but the vast majority are awarded in standard fashion.

 

Also, I think every pitcher in baseball needs to be pretty consistent.

 

 

And the closer this thread is about is equivalent to the examples FishFanInPA provided. He just isn't a very good pitcher in general.

A MR comes in between the 5th-7th inning, where even thosugh go ahead runs are possible, your offense still has the chance to get another lead. Once the closer gives up the go ahead runs, especially if it's a closer on the road, the game is OVER, not mentally like a MR would put it but in general. If you want to name the role ridiculous because it's just the guy going into the 9th, it's understandable, but to call the concept of it stupid, absolutley NOT.

 

Examples: http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp...p&team=away

 

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/n...sp&c_id=mlb

 

I think one of the best examples would be how we got our WS 97' ring. Game 7 and Mesa

But why do teams have such a hard time of finding that guy who can consistently get those 3 outs in the 9th? There are few elite closers in the league and many teams struggle every year trying to find a guy who can pitch a 9th without giving up the lead.

 

The stat of the save is overrated for sure, but having that one hammer in your pen that you can count on 9/10 times is huge.

wonder if he is out as closer if they will make a run for borowski

Wouldn't you want your best reliever to handle the ball in that 9th?

 

Again, you haven't explained why only a handful can do what you have determined to be the easiest 3 outs in the game.

Again....

 

How come so few players can get those easy outs in the 9th?

 

How come there are so many blown saves?

 

Why use your best reliever in a situation in the 5th or 6th like you say, to get out of a jam, when things can get stickier later in games?

Wouldn't you want your best reliever to handle the ball in that 9th?

 

Again, you haven't explained why only a handful can do what you have determined to be the easiest 3 outs in the game.

 

I would never reserve my best reliever for the ninth inning when I know that my starter can run into trouble and I would need someone good to get out of a jam with runners on.

 

 

You always say this but the starter is not the only pitcher that gets into jams. You have never seen a releif pitcher go into the 8th or 9th and all of a sudden load the bases with no outs?

 

A good closer does not have to be perfect, aslong as he has a great mentallity and has great out pitches.