August 27, 200619 yr The MLB fix would be removing Loria if he won't agree to an MLB deal. An MLB-negotiated deal is NOT a fix. That sounds like a fix to me.
August 27, 200619 yr At the end of the day MLB will step in to resolve the gap issue as long as there has been a legitimite effort to solve the matter otherwise...I still believe Loria should sell majority stock to someone else but I believe it very possible that maybe another partner maybe brought into the picture one with deeper pockets Another partner? Sale of majority ownership? No Samson? Sprinkle me with pixie dust-we can only hope it would happen, Eddie.
August 27, 200619 yr There was a meeting on thursday in NY. nobody was invited from Hialeah. thats because the meeting with hialeah officials is scheduled for august 30 or 31st. it was in the sentinel a week ago.
August 27, 200619 yr In a way, it is a good thing that this deal is dead before MLB sits with Hialeah next week.
August 28, 200619 yr Can someone please summarize what is going on (few sentences)? I really dont want to read 4 pages of arguing.
August 28, 200619 yr so everything was offered to Loria, except the all-important "retractable roof" and Loria balked? So what is Loria thinking? Possibilities: a. optimistic about Hialeah's chances of getting the retractable roof, along with the funding b. refuses, absolutely without exception, to accept anything less than perfect scenario c. he privately wants to wait for debt repayment deadline to pass what are opinions as to what Loria's reasons for rejecting this proposal are? Pretty easy to balk when a key demand has not been agreed to. Anyways, payroll is low, the team improving, revenues likely to grow. Loria has time to hold out for more if he believes he can get it. At the end of the day MLB will step in to resolve the gap issue as long as there has been a legitimite effort to solve the matter otherwise...I still believe Loria should sell majority stock to someone else but I believe it very possible that maybe another partner maybe brought into the picture one with deeper pockets We've gone over how incredibly unlikely these scenarios are. MLB's not in the position of caving to save a substandard stadium plan in this or any other market. Loria has some disgruntled partners from his transition from appointed scapegoat to majority owner with the Expos, and also took on some partners from John Henry. They will have to be appeased before Loria can sell some of his shares.
August 28, 200619 yr Author Quad, "thats because the meeting with hialeah officials is scheduled for august 30 or 31st. it was in the sentinel a week ago." I think it was supposed to be the 28th and/or 29th and are you sure there is a second meeting with MLB? My impression was that things were not left so good between Loria and MLB last week. Plus MLB does not like the Hialeah site from what I hear. It may very well happen, I am just not so sure.......
August 28, 200619 yr Quad, "thats because the meeting with hialeah officials is scheduled for august 30 or 31st. it was in the sentinel a week ago." I think it was supposed to be the 28th and/or 29th and are you sure there is a second meeting with MLB? My impression was that things were not left so good between Loria and MLB last week. Plus MLB does not like the Hialeah site from what I hear. It may very well happen, I am just not so sure....... the sun sentinel reported miami-dade, hialeah and marlins officials will make a trip to nyc to later this week. robaina confirmed it last week. the first meeting could have very well been the miami faction and mlb presenting their plan to loria. not it's hialeah's turn to show off their plan.
August 28, 200619 yr Quad, "thats because the meeting with hialeah officials is scheduled for august 30 or 31st. it was in the sentinel a week ago." I think it was supposed to be the 28th and/or 29th and are you sure there is a second meeting with MLB? My impression was that things were not left so good between Loria and MLB last week. Plus MLB does not like the Hialeah site from what I hear. It may very well happen, I am just not so sure....... the sun sentinel reported miami-dade, hialeah and marlins officials will make a trip to nyc to later this week. robaina confirmed it last week. the first meeting could have very well been the miami faction and mlb presenting their plan to loria. not it's hialeah's turn to show off their plan. That's what I've seen reported by Robaina. Key meeting next week (30 and 31) with all key parties (MLB, Hialeah, Marlins, Miami Dade County)
August 28, 200619 yr the meeting between hialeah (robaina), miami-dade (burgess and diaz), marlins (samson) and mlb (dupuy) in new york is scheduled for Wednesday the 30th of August.
August 28, 200619 yr Author "the meeting between hialeah (robaina), miami-dade (burgess and diaz), marlins (samson) and mlb (dupuy) in new york is scheduled for Wednesday the 30th of August." That looks like confrimation to me. i hope it goes well.
August 28, 200619 yr the meeting between hialeah (robaina), miami-dade (burgess and diaz), marlins (samson) and mlb (dupuy) in new york is scheduled for Wednesday the 30th of August. I heard this is a two day event? Wednesday and Thursday?
August 28, 200619 yr haven't heard that...when the originally came out it was an either or.....now we just need to hope that this pending storm doesn't change things....which right now it looks like it might...so don't be surprised if this meeting gets postponed a week or so....due to the pending thread of Hurricane/Tropical Storm Ernesto
August 28, 200619 yr mlb has a lot of nerve dictating where the Marlins stadium should be built considering they have done just about everything through action and inaction to kill the Marlins . Screw MLB build the stadium in Hialeah . It is laughable the way mlb runs its league considering the Marlins (ignoring the fact we have an owner who never should been allowed to own a franchise (again)) decided not to step in and get the stadium done when all it would have taken was 30 million dollars a figure they have more than paid out to the Marlins in revenue sharing I doubt seriously the NFL wouldn't have coughed up 30 million dollars one time and saved it self 30 million dollars every freaking year !
August 28, 200619 yr Author "mlb has a lot of nerve dictating where the Marlins stadium should be built " I am not sure this is the way things went down. MLB knew Loria was having trouble getting it done and they still have a financial gap. MLB put forward a solution. You and Loria may not like it but it is difficult to fault MLB for trying. Their concerns with the location in Hialeah are legitimate but it is still unknown if they would try and stop a stadium there if all the pieces were in place. i doubt it.
August 28, 200619 yr "mlb has a lot of nerve dictating where the Marlins stadium should be built " I am not sure this is the way things went down. MLB knew Loria was having trouble getting it done and they still have a financial gap. MLB put forward a solution. You and Loria may not like it but it is difficult to fault MLB for trying. Their concerns with the location in Hialeah are legitimate but it is still unknown if they would try and stop a stadium there if all the pieces were in place. i doubt it. you miss my main point if mlb knew loria was having trouble getting this done why didnt they step in when the funding gap was 30-50 million in 04. a legit league would have recognized that by paying a bit more in the short term they would save in the long term . Instead of writing a mlb welfare check every year to the Marlins for 30 million we should have been preparing to open the new Marlins stadium in 07 which would have increased the Marlins revenue enough so they would not have to get mlb welfare. Additionally i dont think it would be accurate to characterize me as a "loria-guy" i dont think he ever should have been allowed to buy the Marlins he didnt have the money then and doesnt have the money now , initially i was extremely anti- Loria but now i recognize like it or not the future of the Marlins rest with him which scares the hell out of me but I hope the guy gets the stadium done and after a few years decides to sell the team to a local owner with a load of money and a committment to wiining every year
August 28, 200619 yr Author i'm with ya Irish. Problem is there is no precedent for mlb putting money up. Also the last two legit attempts at a stadium were shot down by the state which caused the shortfall. It all comes down to if Hialeah and Loria have solved the funding gap. I do not think The other mlb owners are going to pay for Loria's stadium when they all had to fight for themselves.
August 28, 200619 yr Author Is this a coincidence? I found this on accuweather's website: "Bush canceled a trip to New York scheduled for today, choosing to stay in Tallahassee to monitor storm developments. " Tells you what the chances of the meeting happening are now. Another delay.
August 28, 200619 yr Is this a coincidence? I found this on accuweather's website: "Bush canceled a trip to New York scheduled for today, choosing to stay in Tallahassee to monitor storm developments. " Tells you what the chances of the meeting happening are now. Another delay. why would Bush be a part of this meeting? strange
August 28, 200619 yr I don't think the funding gap was ever REALLY down to $30 million. At least, not at the time that it was being reported. No way.
August 28, 200619 yr Author My information is that the current funding gap for Hialeah is much greater.
August 28, 200619 yr Is this a coincidence? I found this on accuweather's website: "Bush canceled a trip to New York scheduled for today, choosing to stay in Tallahassee to monitor storm developments. " Tells you what the chances of the meeting happening are now. Another delay. why would Bush be a part of this meeting? strange He's the Governor of Florida.
August 28, 200619 yr Can someone please summarize what is going on (few sentences)? I really dont want to read 4 pages of arguing. Miami plan to have a stadium across from AAA was apparently rejected by the Marlins. It was mainly, according to gobucks, the product of MLB and City of Miami officials negotiating a plan and then bringing that proposal to the Marlins. The downtown site would have required certain compromises to be made by Loria (No roof, some issue over the parking revenue, etc.) Some people are questioning Loria's reason for rejecting the issue. Some believe he was in the right to reject a proposal that offered no roof and left the issue of parking revenue unresolved. Others believe that no plan is ever going to be perfect and that he hurt his best chance at getting as good an offer as me may get from Miami and is relying too much on Hialeah. Some have also questioned whether the rejection may have to do with the loan relief Loria will get if a stadium isn't built before the loan MLB gives him expires. I'd assume, if all of this information is true, that Hialeah now remains as the only viable proposal in S. Florida. (Assuming that the Downtown site was ever a viable proposal)
August 28, 200619 yr Is this a coincidence? I found this on accuweather's website: "Bush canceled a trip to New York scheduled for today, choosing to stay in Tallahassee to monitor storm developments. " Tells you what the chances of the meeting happening are now. Another delay. why would Bush be a part of this meeting? strange He's the Governor of Florida. who hasn't done anything for us, and can't committ state money
August 28, 200619 yr My information is that the current funding gap for Hialeah is much greater. Tell that to Marlins2003... I thought he was ready to go postal on me the other day for even questioning whether they can raise $100 million in TIF revenue at the Hialeah site.
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