September 26, 200619 yr More hits than anyone in the National League. Fifth overall in baseball. Strikes out less than any of the top five in hits by a factor of two. Sixty stolen bases is an achievement no matter how you cut it. Yeah. Wow. Just wow. A person you respect but do not admire once said that players who excell in few things are routinely noticed while those who are adequate at a large number of things are not. Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo. Endy Chavez (and Byrd, Watson, Godwin, Escobar, etc.) and Ryan Church. Jay Buhner and Edgar Martinez.
September 26, 200619 yr More hits than anyone in the National League. Fifth overall in baseball. Strikes out less than any of the top five in hits by a factor of two. Sixty stolen bases is an achievement no matter how you cut it. Yeah. Wow. Just wow. A person you respect but do not admire once said that players who excell in few things are routinely noticed while those who are adequate at a large number of things are not. Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo. Endy Chavez (and Byrd, Watson, Godwin, Escobar, etc.) and Ryan Church. Jay Buhner and Edgar Martinez. I'm not exactly sure where you're going there...
September 26, 200619 yr DO NOT TRIVIALIZE 200 HITS! If we were to resign Pierre he would lead off make no mistake about it! I don't advocate it but you would just have to, Shadez strikes out a little too much but Hanley has potential to be one of the best lead-off batters in the majors in the Johnny Damon mode. 200 hits has allure. Few of our greatest stars have done it. It's a nice round number to admire. But 200 hits has already been trivialized. By the number of games now played. And the greater offensive era that not only increases a batter's average to rise but his opportunities per game as well. 50 or 60 HRs has also been trivialized. Meanwhile 20-win seasons have become even more impressive with the advent of 5-man rotations, pitch counts and relief pitching. It would only take 4.57 AB per game to hit the league average {note: all of these MLB league averages} and still get 200 hits. The average batter gets 3.82 at bats per game {team AB / team Games / 9 batting positions}. So for the average batter, it's a hard task. They're going to either find a way to increase their at bats (perhaps at expense of events that count as plate appearances, such as the valuable walk or slightly less valuable sacrifice) or hit much better. Meanwhile the average leadoff batter {team AB while batting #1 / team Games} gets 4.2 at bats a game. Pierre has 4.29 AB per game this year, suggesting either he's getting more opportunities (doubtful with the weakness of Cubs' lineup) or reducing his non-AB plate appearances. Either way, this causes him to hit only moderately better than league average to get 200 hits. divide hits by plate appearances and then come back to me eddie... Pierre does lead the majors in at bat, but Dude, he is also hitting .291 that shouldn't be minimized. There are only 4 players with more hits than Pierre in MLB Yet 62 qualified with 3.9 PA per team game that have equal or better batting averages. More hits than anyone in the National League. Fifth overall in baseball. Strikes out less than any of the top five in hits by a factor of two. Sixty stolen bases is an achievement no matter how you cut it. Yeah. Wow. Just wow. A person you respect but do not admire once said that players who excell in few things are routinely noticed while those who are adequate at a large number of things are not. Juan Pierre and Luis Castillo. Endy Chavez (and Byrd, Watson, Godwin, Escobar, etc.) and Ryan Church. Jay Buhner and Edgar Martinez. I'm not exactly sure where you're going there... That there's more to a player than his standings in 3 categories
September 26, 200619 yr Let me make this simple: JP is a better CF than anyone on our roster right now. Doesn't say much, but it is true. Getting someone like Torii Hunter or Vernon Wells is unrealistic. JP might be too, but if he were to decide he wanted to play here and work it out, it would still be an improvement over 3/300 vs LHP Amezaga, Reggie, and the rest of our back up corner OF squad.
September 26, 200619 yr I'm not obsessed with or really care one way or the other, but Hanley and JP, or JP and Hanley, hitting in front of Miggy wouldn't be the worst way to score runs. Clearly JP has his shortcomings and since he's going to test the free agent market the question is probably pretty much moot. And more importantly, alot depends on what kind of ball a new manager wants to play and JP conceivably might not fit in with his approach.
September 26, 200619 yr a platoon of Amezega/Ross is better and cheaper than Juan Pierre. if we're arnt getting someone young/cheap, we shouldnt get anyone. check up on cody's stats vs LHP Fritz so you are clarifying my point...? BTW Pierre OBP stands at this moment at .330 He has only scored 83 runs We know he has had a nightmare of a season but he puts the ball in play. It isn't a matter that his bat has slowed down he has had atrocious luck through the first half of the season who cares that he puts the damn ball in play so much if it doesnt result in production. In fact it's case in point that he puts the ball in play so much for so little gain. Plus the fact that you trot out runs scored as some important stat for him shows our debate is fruitless here.
September 26, 200619 yr DCW3 _ Posted: September 26, 2006 at 03:37 PM (#2188363) Pierre's got a good chance to end the season with the second-lowest OPS ever in a 200-hit season. Right now he's got 196 hits and a .720 OPS. In 1970 Matty Alou had 201 hits and a .685 OPS, but the second-lowest OPS in such a season belongs to Maury Wills, who had 208 hits and a .720 OPS in 1962. Found this and thought it was pretty interesting. Talk about an empty 200 hits... :lol He's also on pace for an OPS+ of 82, which ranks him very near the bottom of OFers and 2nd to last among CFers.
September 26, 200619 yr Let me make this simple: JP is a better CF than anyone on our roster right now. Doesn't say much, but it is true. Getting someone like Torii Hunter or Vernon Wells is unrealistic. JP might be too, but if he were to decide he wanted to play here and work it out, it would still be an improvement over 3/300 vs LHP Amezaga, Reggie, and the rest of our back up corner OF squad. The current platoon is better than Pierre. Not at all...our CF platoon is the worse offensively. Look up the numbers in any category
September 26, 200619 yr Let me make this simple: JP is a better CF than anyone on our roster right now. Doesn't say much, but it is true. Getting someone like Torii Hunter or Vernon Wells is unrealistic. JP might be too, but if he were to decide he wanted to play here and work it out, it would still be an improvement over 3/300 vs LHP Amezaga, Reggie, and the rest of our back up corner OF squad. The current platoon is better than Pierre. Not at all...our CF platoon is the worse offensively. Look up the numbers in any category Our CF numbers are dragged down by the Reed / Reggie disaster. I would prefer JP over Alfredo / Ross but not by much. JP is not a good player. Poor OBP for a leadoff hitter, doesn't work the count, his arm is crap and too many times he gets poor jumps on the ball.
September 26, 200619 yr obviously you havnt... Amezega vs RHP 293/354/380/734OPS Ross vs LHP 250/301/604/905OPS JP vs RHP 291/325/405/729OPS vs LHP 289/339/356/694OPS a utility IF has a better OBP than JP. Not to mention this platoon is about 5M less than Pierre. Let me guess you'r going to trot out SB, RS, 3B, and other counting stats...? face it..you're mancrush is far more expensive and less productive than 2 platooning bench players.
September 27, 200619 yr you know how jp and d-train were best friends. since he might be coming back he might get better cuz he is with his best buddy. when i was in little league id always be like the best in the league cuz i had my best friend on my team. but if we dont get jp then we could get torii hunter mike cameron or carl crawford
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