LAKELAND, Fla. ? Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

 

Angilo Freeland ? who was suspected of fatally shooting the deputy after being pulled over for speeding Thursday ? was hit 68 times by the SWAT team members' shots, the examination released Saturday showed.

 

He also was suspected of wounding a deputy and killing a police dog.

 

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

 

The wounded deputy had pulled Freeland over for speeding and became suspicious of his identification. The suspect got nervous and bolted into the woods, officials said.

 

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said he was not concerned by the number of shots fired.

 

"You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy," Judd said by phone Saturday. "Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances."

 

Ten SWAT officers surrounded Freeland on Friday as he hid beneath brush and a fallen tree in a rural area. Authorities say he raised the gun belonging to the deputy he had killed, prompting nine officers to fire.

 

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. [ :notworthy ] "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

 

The SWAT officers who shot Freeland have been placed on paid administrative leave, standard procedure in all police shootings.

 

Also released Saturday were autopsy results for the deputy, Vernon Matthew Williams, 39, which showed he had been shot eight times. He was not wearing a protective vest, but shots hit him in his right leg and behind his right ear, among other places.

 

Diogi, his German shepherd police dog, was also killed. The dog had been shot once in the chest.

 

Authorities said deputy sheriff Doug Speirs, also 39, was fired at several times and shot once in the leg. A sergeant and an officer from the Lakeland Police Department were also fired at, authorities said.

 

I would love to see a picture of the aftermath of this one... literally the definition of human swiss cheese, would make a great "Owned" picture. May the sick SOB burn in hell and may Officer Williams and his K-9 companion rest in peace.

 

Just think how much money these officers saved the county by shooting that dumbass. Can you imagine what it would cost to defend much less prosecute the POS? They should all get raises :thumbup .

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said.

 

lol

Just think how much money these officers saved the county by shooting that dumbass. Can you imagine what it would cost to defend much less prosecute the POS? They should all get raises :thumbup .

Sometimes I think you're just asking for it.

Just think how much money these officers saved the county by shooting that dumbass. Can you imagine what it would cost to defend much less prosecute the POS? They should all get raises :thumbup .

Sometimes I think you're just asking for it.

Right.

 

Anyways, I particularly found this line amusing:

 

Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy

 

Now was the autopsy really necessary? I'm pretty sure all know the cause of death of the SOB :lol .

Just think how much money these officers saved the county by shooting that dumbass. Can you imagine what it would cost to defend much less prosecute the POS? They should all get raises :thumbup .

Sometimes I think you're just asking for it.

Right.

 

Anyways, I particularly found this line amusing:

 

"Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy"

 

Now was the autopsy really necessary? I'm pretty sure all know the cause of death of the SOB :lol .

 

Yeah, I agree. Who needs to do things by the book? Martial law is exponentially more effective.

Just think how much money these officers saved the county by shooting that dumbass. Can you imagine what it would cost to defend much less prosecute the POS? They should all get raises :thumbup .

Sometimes I think you're just asking for it.

Right.

 

Anyways, I particularly found this line amusing:

 

"Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy"

 

Now was the autopsy really necessary? I'm pretty sure all know the cause of death of the SOB :lol .

 

Yeah, I agree. Who needs to do things by the book? Martial law is exponentially more effective.

:blink:

LAKELAND, Fla. Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

 

Here's the part that makes 110 rounds seem a bit excessive... Even if the guy is holding an AK - anything more than one shot is a waste of ammo.

I hate the double standards. If this was soemone accused of killing a common person in, say, liberty city, they would have never used so much man-power. But we all know cops>civilians.

To all of you people saying this was excessive, remember the officer died doing his job. I'm sure the man had some sort of close family. Imagine if it were your father-brother-son that was murdered doing his job. I sure a hell would want the murderer swiss cheese as well. Let's hope his manhood was shot off first.

LAKELAND, Fla. Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

 

Here's the part that makes 110 rounds seem a bit excessive... Even if the guy is holding an AK - anything more than one shot is a waste of ammo.

Please, calling him a suspect is just a formality becasue he wasn't convicted, they knew damn well he was the killer, they stopped HIS vehicle and chased him into the woods where two officers were shot and one died.

 

I hate the double standards. If this was soemone accused of killing a common person in, say, liberty city, they would have never used so much man-power. But we all know cops>civilians.

 

Yes they would have, you have no idea what you're talking about. If someone shot and killed 2 people, they're not going to send a patrol car out to serve the arrest warrant, they're going to send the SWAT team or something similar.

LAKELAND, Fla. Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

 

Here's the part that makes 110 rounds seem a bit excessive... Even if the guy is holding an AK - anything more than one shot is a waste of ammo.

Please, calling him a suspect is just a formality becasue he wasn't convicted, they knew damn well he was the killer, they stopped HIS vehicle and chased him into the woods where two officers were shot and one died.

 

I hate the double standards. If this was soemone accused of killing a common person in, say, liberty city, they would have never used so much man-power. But we all know cops>civilians.

 

Yes they would have, you have no idea what you're talking about. If someone shot and killed 2 people, they're not going to send a patrol car out to serve the arrest warrant, they're going to send the SWAT team or something similar.

 

Of course they'll send the SWAT team for the eventual arrest, but a 500 officer man hunt? Doubt it.

I'm going to look up some inner city murder statistics and eventual arrests (if they ever occurred) when I get home and get back to you on this one.

Look - the point is, 68 bullets is excessive. Period. It makes the police look bad and THAT is why I think it's stupid. There is absolutely no way for the police to justify to the public 68 bullets. This does nothing but give anti-gun lobbiests more ammo [pun intended] and liberals an example of how cops are little more than a bunch of thugs hiding behind a badge. It undermines their ability to effectively enforce the law.

 

On the second point - Sandro is 100% correct - there IS a difference between a police shooting and a civilian shooting. Asside from the mental aspect [which fire and ems go through as well] there is a double standard in how a "Cop Killer" is treated versus a "Murderer." If you think I'm wrong, check out this platform:

Democrats are truly out of the mainstream of New York public opinion by blocking restoration of the death penalty for terrorists, mass murderers, cop killers...

Source: http://www.johnfaso2006.com/content/page/id/45

 

In other words, cop killers are automatically at the same level as terrorists and serial killers according to NYS Candidate for Governor, John Faso. And he isn't alone in setting cop killers apart from someone who kills a civilian.

 

On a side note - chefbob is also right. If someone were to kill a member of my family, I would want to tear that f***er to shreds. Hopefully, a cop would be there to prevent me from doing something as stupid as kill in the name of revenge because that is guilt I would have to live with for the rest of my life. And, like it or not, we do NOT live in a society where "eye-for-an-eye" applies. Escalation of violence is simply not the answer and that is expressly why we have due process.

LAKELAND, Fla. Officers fired 110 rounds of ammunition at the man suspected of killing a sheriff's deputy, killing the suspect, according to an autopsy released by the sheriff's office.

 

Here's the part that makes 110 rounds seem a bit excessive... Even if the guy is holding an AK - anything more than one shot is a waste of ammo.

Please, calling him a suspect is just a formality becasue he wasn't convicted, they knew damn well he was the killer, they stopped HIS vehicle and chased him into the woods where two officers were shot and one died.

 

I hate the double standards. If this was soemone accused of killing a common person in, say, liberty city, they would have never used so much man-power. But we all know cops>civilians.

 

Yes they would have, you have no idea what you're talking about. If someone shot and killed 2 people, they're not going to send a patrol car out to serve the arrest warrant, they're going to send the SWAT team or something similar.

 

Of course they'll send the SWAT team for the eventual arrest, but a 500 officer man hunt? Doubt it.

I'm going to look up some inner city murder statistics and eventual arrests (if they ever occurred) when I get home and get back to you on this one.

A "500 officer manhunt" just means countless officers were told to stay on the alert if they see anyone fitting his description and the media is trying to sensationalize it. When an amber alert is issed, damn near every officer in the state is given a description of the vehicle and told to be on the lookout, this is no different.

A "500 officer manhunt" just means countless officers were told to stay on the alert if they see anyone fitting his description and the media is trying to sensationalize it. When an amber alert is issed, damn near every officer in the state is given a description of the vehicle and told to be on the lookout, this is no different.

 

Okay, now you are starting to dilute your initial argument with inaccurate statements. There is a BIG difference between a "manhunt" and an "amber alert." A 500 officer manhunt involves 500 armed police officers in active pursuit of a single suspect. An "amber alert" is a type of all points bulletin.

 

Not even within the realm of similarity.

Freeland's death ended a nearly 24-hour manhunt that forced schools to lock down and families to stay indoors as about 500 officers scoured the woods.

 

 

Is it good that this guy is no longer a threat? Yes.

Was excessive force used because he had killed a fellow officer? YES.

Do I agree with their methods? No.

 

That'll be all.

Protecting our own force which defends us needs to be looked at and carried out to a higher degree then a random citizens death needs to be.

 

We don't need criminals thinking they can get away with a cop killing easily. The justice needs to be swift and powerful.

The justice needs to be swift and powerful.

 

I understand your point. However, you can not have "justice" with a kangaroo court mentality. It's like giving the inmates the keys to the nut house. There is a reason for law. There is a reason for order. Once that line gets crossed, you are on a slippery slope into an unfulfilling anarchy.

 

One of the biggest challenges I faced in the military was convincing people that soldiers are good people who serve their country to preserve peace not to insight war. You can imagine how this task becomes complicated by Marines raping women on bases in Okinawa or a misguided company of Army MP?s having their pictures taken performing humiliating acts to POW?s. I have zero tolerance for behavior of this type. When you are wearing a uniform, you are MORE than a civilian [on this point, I do agree with you] and while wearing that uniform you are expected to behave in a manner that is consistent with higher morality and higher ideals.

 

These same rules apply for our law enforcement officials who are beset on many fronts by civilians and media who have a healthy distrust of their authority and use of that authority. For all of the same reasons, I have zero tolerance for questionable police conduct. Once you have a Rodney King type of incident or put 68 holes in the body of a suspect, you open up ALL of law enforcement to greater public scrutiny. This public scrutiny undermines the ability of law enforcement officers to perform their tasks in an effective and efficient manner. Instead of simply ?capturing the bad guy,? they now have to cover their butts in the process. That is not a good way to go about law enforcement.

A "500 officer manhunt" just means countless officers were told to stay on the alert if they see anyone fitting his description and the media is trying to sensationalize it. When an amber alert is issed, damn near every officer in the state is given a description of the vehicle and told to be on the lookout, this is no different.

 

Okay, now you are starting to dilute your initial argument with inaccurate statements. There is a BIG difference between a "manhunt" and an "amber alert." A 500 officer manhunt involves 500 armed police officers in active pursuit of a single suspect. An "amber alert" is a type of all points bulletin.

 

Not even within the realm of similarity.

 

This is America - all police officers are armed, we're not in the UK.

 

But yes, you were right in your initial statement and I was wrong.

 

Protecting our own force which defends us needs to be looked at and carried out to a higher degree then a random citizens death needs to be.

 

We don't need criminals thinking they can get away with a cop killing easily. The justice needs to be swift and powerful.

 

Agreed.

 

Once you have a Rodney King type of incident or put 68 holes in the body of a suspect, you open up ALL of law enforcement to greater public scrutiny.

 

 

That argument doesn't hold any water........ well, neither does the badguy with 68 holes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist :lol .

Protecting our own force which defends us needs to be looked at and carried out to a higher degree then a random citizens death needs to be.

 

We don't need criminals thinking they can get away with a cop killing easily. The justice needs to be swift and powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amen bro.

 

 

 

 

And for all of you that are suggesting that too many rounds were fired here is an explanation.

 

 

Its not common knowledge so I dont blame many of you for not knowing. The SWAT team members are carrying AUTOMATIC weapons. What does this mean? Well, one pull of the trigger fires MULTIPLE ROUNDS (a burst you could call it).

 

 

A source of mine advised that what happened was this: As SWAT was canvassing the area, one of the SWAT members actually stepped on the suspect. When he jumped up he had his semi-auto in his hand (very bad decision on his part :o ).

 

2 or 3 SWAT guys then lit him up with a burst a piece from the automatics (MP5's most likely).

 

Thus all the rounds.

 

 

If the suspect had been hit by 60+ rounds from officer HANDGUNS then this would be a completely different thing.

And for all of you that are suggesting that too many rounds were fired here is an explanation.

 

Its not common knowledge so I dont blame many of you for not knowing. The SWAT team members are carrying AUTOMATIC weapons. What does this mean? Well, one pull of the trigger fires MULTIPLE ROUNDS (a burst you could call it).

 

Thus all the rounds.

 

It is not common knowledge so I don't blame any of you for not knowing. The SWAT teams members in Florida are carrying HK MP5/10 AUTOMATIC weapons. What does that mean? Well, one pull of the trigger fires THREE ROUNDS per trigger squeeze (a burst you could call it). :mischief

 

There is NO reason for 68 rounds in a suspect not wearing kevlar and free firing a 50 cal.

 

 

This is America - all police officers are armed, we're not in the UK.

I don't know about South Florida, but in MY neighborhood, traffic cops and parking enforcement officers are not allowed to carry firearms. In fact, these are often duties assigned to officers as a disciplinary action.

 

 

Once you have a Rodney King type of incident or put 68 holes in the body of a suspect, you open up ALL of law enforcement to greater public scrutiny.

 

That argument doesn't hold any water.........Your right. This argument holds no water. There was NO backlash whatsoever towards law enforcement officials following the Rodney King incident...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I'm sure the police had an easy go at enforcing the law after this. I don't know what I was thinking.

And for all of you that are suggesting that too many rounds were fired here is an explanation.

 

Its not common knowledge so I dont blame many of you for not knowing. The SWAT team members are carrying AUTOMATIC weapons. What does this mean? Well, one pull of the trigger fires MULTIPLE ROUNDS (a burst you could call it).

 

Thus all the rounds.

 

It is not common knowledge so I don't blame any of you for not knowing. The SWAT teams members in Florida are carrying HK MP5/10 AUTOMATIC weapons. What does that mean? Well, one pull of the trigger fires THREE ROUNDS per trigger squeeze (a burst you could call it). :mischief

 

There is NO reason for 68 rounds in a suspect not wearing kevlar and free firing a 50 cal.

 

 

This is America - all police officers are armed, we're not in the UK.

I don't know about South Florida, but in MY neighborhood, traffic cops and parking enforcement officers are not allowed to carry firearms. In fact, these are often duties assigned to officers as a disciplinary action.

 

 

Once you have a Rodney King type of incident or put 68 holes in the body of a suspect, you open up ALL of law enforcement to greater public scrutiny.

 

That argument doesn't hold any water.........Your right. This argument holds no water. There was NO backlash whatsoever towards law enforcement officials following the Rodney King incident...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I'm sure the police had an easy go at enforcing the law after this. I don't know what I was thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

yankeefan21.....

 

MULTIPLE = THREE :mischief

 

 

 

all political correctness aside........since when should we give a sh*t about a cold blooded murderer who ended an officers life (and a dedicated K-9).

 

If that thug shot your Mom you wouldnt be cryin about the 60+ rounds he ate.

To all of you people saying this was excessive, remember the officer died doing his job. I'm sure the man had some sort of close family. Imagine if it were your father-brother-son that was murdered doing his job. I sure a hell would want the murderer swiss cheese as well. Let's hope his manhood was shot off first.

This is an understandable point. The emotional element is there, no doubt. And no one can blame the police for going after someone who attacked one of their own with a bit of extra weight on their shoulders.

 

That said, the only type of swift justice that is acceptable is that delivered by a jury and a judge - not by a machine gun.

Just to clarify, when I typed swift I meant as to manpower and the timely fashion in which the suspect is taken down, not as in how fast he is killed on the streets.

Understood.

 

Wasn't really aimed at you anyways, but I thought the word fit nicely in my phrase.

100+ rounds lol, is there anything left of him? I know its probably 9mm rounds out of an mp5 but damn, lol.