Trade #1

Marlins Get: CF Rocco Baldelli from Devil Rays

Devil Rays Get: SP Ricky Nolasco and SP Sergio Mitre from the Marlins

 

The Marlins acquire the perfect fit to solve our centerfield situation with an inexpensive contract, great defense, and an impressive bat with speed. Baldelli has shown he has recovered from his past knee and elbow surgeries and is worth the risk of two major league ready starters like the Rays requested for him.

 

Trade #2

Marlins Get: SP Ervin Santana, SP Joe Saunders, and IF Macier Izturis from the Angels and RF Alexis Rios, RP Jason Frasor, and RP Scott Downs from the Blue Jays

Angels Get: CF Vernon Wells and SP Josh Towers from the Blue Jays and 1B Mike Jacobs from the Marlins

Blue Jays Get: SP Dontrelle Willis and IF Robert Andino from the Marlins and CF Chone Figgins and SS Orlando Cabrera from the Angels

 

This is the Marlins blockbuster trade of the offseason. The Marlins add significant pitching depth to both their rotation and bullpen while adding a young star RF in Rios, who has 20-20 potential after going 17-15 last season and a great reserve infielder who is still developing his game in Iztruis. The Angels get the power bats to complement Vlad Guerrero, an All-Star CF in Wells, and acquire a power hitting lefty 1B in Jacobs. Finally, to round out this analysis, the Jays get their much-needed star at short and a true leadoff hitter who can replace Wells in CF. Not to mention, they will own the best threesome (Halladay, Willis, and Burnett) in all of baseball that will help them make the playoffs next season.

 

Trade #3

Marlins Get: C Gerald Laird and RP Frank Francisco from the Rangers

Rangers Get: RF Jeremy Hermida

 

The Marlins have been searching for a catcher of the future and have loved Gerald Laird and his skills. The Rangers likewise are looking to add youth to the outfield, especially with the likely departures of Carlos Lee and Gary Matthews Jr. The Marlins also are seeking more help in the bullpen and Francisco has had experience in the setup role. Trade makes sense for both sides.

 

Trade #4

Marlins get: UTI Chris Burke and RP Dan Wheeler from the Astros

Astros get: C Miguel Olivo, UTI Alfredo Amezaga, and OF Joe Borchard from the Marlins

 

With the acquisition of Laird, the Marlins can afford to lose Olivo, who would make around $1.5 million next season. The Astros have made it no secret they want to upgrade at catcher who has great offense. Olivo fits the bill. The Marlins need to find bench depth after the departure of Helms to Philadelphia and need an inexpensive reliever who is capable of closing. Burke, 26, has all the tools to fit the Marlins needs and Wheeler took over at closer when Brad Lidge struggled. This trade would be a great deal for both sides.

 

Free Agent Signings

1. OF David Dellucci for 2 years and $5 million

With the Marlins trading Jacobs, they would probably shift Willingham from left to first opening up another outfield spot. Dellucci seems like a perfect fit with his left-handed bat in the lineup. Dellucci, 33, has patience and power in the box combined with great defense and versatility in the outfield. He would also take over for Jacobs as the lefty power bat in the lineup. The Marlins would have signed Dellucci as their second choice to Delgado two seasons ago.

 

2. 3B Aaron Boone for 1 year and $600,000

Boone was the hero of the ALCS for the Yankees in 2003. He has the experience the Marlins need on the bench and would fill the gap left by Helms on the bench. Boone has some pop and can play any position in the infield except for short. That makes him a very versatile threat off the bench.

 

****Now that I read all your responses and reviewed my post, I guess I am just figuring that the Marlins could possibly get bargains for players they want.

First trade isnt enough to get Baldelli

2nd trade wouldnt happen not enough value for the angels

3rd trade is not good for the marlins

4th trade they are shopping lidge to replace him with wheeler

 

never know but I doubt it honestly.

The DRays say no.

 

I dont see why the Blue Jays and Angels would include us in that trade.

 

That Rangers one is so terrible it isnt funny.

 

As is the Astros one.

There's no possible way the Angels and Jays would or should include us in that trade.

That made my head hurt.

That made my head hurt.

 

lololololololol well said :thumbup

Trade #1: Sounds all nice and good, but the DRays would want more. These are the people who wanted Olsen for Joey Gathright.

 

Trade #2: very confusing - but no. Alex Rios would be nice, but he doesn't fill any of our needs (until you dump Hermida in a later trade.) If you want to give up DTrain & Jake we should. We have enough good SP in house, and we shouldn't be sacrificing SP for RP.

 

Trade #3: Hermida can't replace Gary Matthews and the organization hasn't given up on him. there may be a desire for catcher prospects, but it's not a desperate need that would get us to trade someone with Hermida's potential.

 

Trade #4: All that just to get one reliever?

 

All in all, I don't understand why you want to trade half the team.

 

And one last thing, about the trio of Halladay, Willis, and Burnett - it wouldn't be that good because Burnett is garbage. He will end his career with sub-500 record. I honestly can't imagine the thought process of the Jays when they paid him what they did.

And one last thing, about the trio of Halladay, Willis, and Burnett - it wouldn't be that good because Burnett is garbage. He will end his career with sub-500 record. I honestly can't imagine the thought process of the Jays when they paid him what they did.

The fact that he has already had Tommy John surgery and how absolutely filthy his stuff is. It makes sense why they gave him that much. His main concern is health, but when he is healthy he can be as good as anyone.

And one last thing, about the trio of Halladay, Willis, and Burnett - it wouldn't be that good because Burnett is garbage. He will end his career with sub-500 record. I honestly can't imagine the thought process of the Jays when they paid him what they did.

The fact that he has already had Tommy John surgery and how absolutely filthy his stuff is. It makes sense why they gave him that much. His main concern is health, but when he is healthy he can be as good as anyone.

Still I see TBBM's point. He still hasn't earned that money with the Jays.

And one last thing, about the trio of Halladay, Willis, and Burnett - it wouldn't be that good because Burnett is garbage. He will end his career with sub-500 record. I honestly can't imagine the thought process of the Jays when they paid him what they did.

The fact that he has already had Tommy John surgery and how absolutely filthy his stuff is. It makes sense why they gave him that much. His main concern is health, but when he is healthy he can be as good as anyone.

How does already having had Tommy John increase his value?

The guy's career record is one game over 500, and part of that was having some good run support behind him this year. He's never been consitently domininant, just overrated because of how hard he can throw. And it would be one thing if he was 22-25 where you can talk about his potential and say that he is still developing - but the guy will be 30 when the next season starts. People discuss him like if he is/was an ace caliber pitcher, but he never was or will be. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, just that he's also not some feared monster that teams will hate having to face, and the only way he would make a rotation look fearsome is if everyone else is good enough to make him #5. He gets knocked around like everyone. For all his talent, he is still average.

Prices for free agent starting pitching continues to skyrocket and whether any of us think AJ Burnett is worth what he got from Toronto, I think it's safe to assume if he were coming out for the first time this off-season as an unrestricted free agent he'd probably get more.

 

It's obscene what's happening in the free agent market but the owners have no one to blame but themselves. Hopefully if the Fish can a secure a legitimate stadium deal they can begin to sign players long term and sooner but who knows, as much as it's depressing for fans to see players come and go (although to be fair the same thing happens with an awful lot of the clubs but we just focus on ours) perhaps from a purely baseball standpoint there's a good reason to do so. I mean how many of these long term contracts really wind up working to the advantage of the franchise as opposed to the player?

 

It would be an interesting study if it hasn't already been done to analyze how productive free agent signings (both by the original club or by the acquiring club) have been to the teams involved, especially among pitchers. I think of Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, even to a lesser degree Burnett in Toronto, perhaps because they are so visible and I wonder how if they represent the norm or are on the fringes of productivity a team can expect when they sign a free agent pitcher for $11 or 15 million a year.

 

I honestly don't know the answer.

And one last thing, about the trio of Halladay, Willis, and Burnett - it wouldn't be that good because Burnett is garbage. He will end his career with sub-500 record. I honestly can't imagine the thought process of the Jays when they paid him what they did.

The fact that he has already had Tommy John surgery and how absolutely filthy his stuff is. It makes sense why they gave him that much. His main concern is health, but when he is healthy he can be as good as anyone.

How does already having had Tommy John increase his value?

The guy's career record is one game over 500, and part of that was having some good run support behind him this year. He's never been consitently domininant, just overrated because of how hard he can throw. And it would be one thing if he was 22-25 where you can talk about his potential and say that he is still developing - but the guy will be 30 when the next season starts. People discuss him like if he is/was an ace caliber pitcher, but he never was or will be. I'm not saying he's a bad pitcher, just that he's also not some feared monster that teams will hate having to face, and the only way he would make a rotation look fearsome is if everyone else is good enough to make him #5. He gets knocked around like everyone. For all his talent, he is still average.

I was mostly responding to the fact you called him garbage. And it's good he already had TJ surgey because with his windup and delivery, you could see it coming anyway

Prices for free agent starting pitching continues to skyrocket and whether any of us think AJ Burnett is worth what he got from Toronto, I think it's safe to assume if he were coming out for the first time this off-season as an unrestricted free agent he'd probably get more.

 

It's obscene what's happening in the free agent market but the owners have no one to blame but themselves. Hopefully if the Fish can a secure a legitimate stadium deal they can begin to sign players long term and sooner but who knows, as much as it's depressing for fans to see players come and go (although to be fair the same thing happens with an awful lot of the clubs but we just focus on ours) perhaps from a purely baseball standpoint there's a good reason to do so. I mean how many of these long term contracts really wind up working to the advantage of the franchise as opposed to the player?

 

It would be an interesting study if it hasn't already been done to analyze how productive free agent signings (both by the original club or by the acquiring club) have been to the teams involved, especially among pitchers. I think of Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, even to a lesser degree Burnett in Toronto, perhaps because they are so visible and I wonder how if they represent the norm or are on the fringes of productivity a team can expect when they sign a free agent pitcher for $11 or 15 million a year.

 

I honestly don't know the answer.

 

I don't recall where I saw it, but it was written after Burnett's signing last offseason and the extent was the investigation of pitchers who signed a deal of 5 years or greater. The conclusion, by and large given Park, Brown and Hampton as examples, that it never works for a pitcher.

 

That isn't to say a player who's tenure with a team is 5 years or greater, simply a pitcher who signed a 5 + year deal.

I don't recall where I saw it, but it was written after Burnett's signing last offseason and the extent was the investigation of pitchers who signed a deal of 5 years or greater. The conclusion, by and large given Park, Brown and Hampton as examples, that it never works for a pitcher.

 

That isn't to say a player who's tenure with a team is 5 years or greater, simply a pitcher who signed a 5 + year deal.

Not crtiticizing but I think, what you meant to say was considering the three pitchers you mentioned, it worked out fine for pitchers, they got paid, it didn't work out for the teams, who had three players with expensive contracts who underperformed like crazy.

Prices for free agent starting pitching continues to skyrocket and whether any of us think AJ Burnett is worth what he got from Toronto, I think it's safe to assume if he were coming out for the first time this off-season as an unrestricted free agent he'd probably get more.

 

It's obscene what's happening in the free agent market but the owners have no one to blame but themselves. Hopefully if the Fish can a secure a legitimate stadium deal they can begin to sign players long term and sooner but who knows, as much as it's depressing for fans to see players come and go (although to be fair the same thing happens with an awful lot of the clubs but we just focus on ours) perhaps from a purely baseball standpoint there's a good reason to do so. I mean how many of these long term contracts really wind up working to the advantage of the franchise as opposed to the player?

 

It would be an interesting study if it hasn't already been done to analyze how productive free agent signings (both by the original club or by the acquiring club) have been to the teams involved, especially among pitchers. I think of Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, even to a lesser degree Burnett in Toronto, perhaps because they are so visible and I wonder how if they represent the norm or are on the fringes of productivity a team can expect when they sign a free agent pitcher for $11 or 15 million a year.

 

I honestly don't know the answer.

 

I don't recall where I saw it, but it was written after Burnett's signing last offseason and the extent was the investigation of pitchers who signed a deal of 5 years or greater. The conclusion, by and large given Park, Brown and Hampton as examples, that it never works for a pitcher.

 

That isn't to say a player who's tenure with a team is 5 years or greater, simply a pitcher who signed a 5 + year deal.

A lot of teams dont have a choice...especially if they dont develop their own guys. And for anyone who thinks Burnett is garbage you're just a helpless idiot so I wont bother.

I was mostly responding to the fact you called him garbage. And it's good he already had TJ surgey because with his windup and delivery, you could see it coming anyway

Fair enough...garbage may be a bit much. But he is/was horribly overrated.

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

What?

I would do the first trade in a second ,The 2nd trade not so much and for the other trades NO

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

What?

He's partially right.... AJ does really on the fastball too much, in many games

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

What?

He's partially right.... AJ does really on the fastball too much, in many games

I'm sure you'd agree that there's a big difference between bad pitch selection and not knowing how to pitch at all.

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

What?

He's partially right.... AJ does really on the fastball too much, in many games

I'm sure you'd agree that there's a big difference between bad pitch selection and not knowing how to pitch at all.

I still dont think AJ knows how to pitch. And Im one of his biggest fans

I think the problem with Burnett is that he has yet to learn how to pitch and depends too much on his fastball.

What?

He's partially right.... AJ does really on the fastball too much, in many games

I'm sure you'd agree that there's a big difference between bad pitch selection and not knowing how to pitch at all.

I still dont think AJ knows how to pitch. And Im one of his biggest fans

 

AGREED!