May 5, 200719 yr we don't know all the details. Not jumping down your throat, but the details are there. You don't demote a player because of an injury. That's a waste of an option year. Julio and Mitre were both on their way back. Mitre is out of options. Obermueller is out of options. Neither would likely clear waivers. The only pitchers on our roster that have options are Willis, Olsen, Owens, Tankersley, Lindstrom and Gardner...and I think Gregg, but I'm not positive. Pinto wouldn't clear and has value. Mitre wouldn't clear and I guess has value, and Beinfest needs the token Brian Moehler veteran in Obermueller and has a raging hard on for Julio. Thus, Sanchez is the easiest demotion because of his recent struggles. I'm not even going to go on a personal rant, but there's plenty on this that irks me. The details that you can see and read, with your limited knowledge of the situation and your personal bias. . . . Anibal has been brutal this season, that's a fact. I rather see him starting games on the minors, than demote him to the bullpen at this point.
May 5, 200719 yr To me at least, this move appears to be more about making room for Julio than anything else. Yup, hence the option years/waiver value I posted about our players. There's nothing you can "hide" here. If there's a personal issue, like Sanchez kicking Beinfest's dog or something, then Sanchez would be in New York right now because I think all 29 other teams would line up for him at this point. It's just an absolutely retarded move at face value, and there cannot be anything truly hidden beneath the surface. It's a move made because option years were a consideration. Mitre and Obermueller are without them. Sanchez is an easier demotion than Willis or Olsen (who also need a serious kick in their asses) and here we are. we don't know all the details. Not jumping down your throat, but the details are there. You don't demote a player because of an injury. That's a waste of an option year. Julio and Mitre were both on their way back. Mitre is out of options. Obermueller is out of options. Neither would likely clear waivers. The only pitchers on our roster that have options are Willis, Olsen, Owens, Tankersley, Lindstrom and Gardner...and I think Gregg, but I'm not positive. Pinto wouldn't clear and has value. Mitre wouldn't clear and I guess has value, and Beinfest needs the token Brian Moehler veteran in Obermueller and has a raging hard on for Julio. Thus, Sanchez is the easiest demotion because of his recent struggles. I'm not even going to go on a personal rant, but there's plenty on this that irks me. The details that you can see and read, with your limited knowledge of the situation and your personal bias. . . . Anibal has been brutal this season, that's a fact. I rather see him starting games on the minors, than demote him to the bullpen at this point. His ERA is lower than Dontrelle and Olsen. I mean, seriously, it's not like he was active BP out there. Also, just another point of interest. Does anyone else find it odd that Fredi said that Obermueller would be the permanent long-man and then a day later Beinfest essentially says "the hell he will be" and does this force youre hand move. I mean, just another head scratcher that seems to revolve around Julio.
May 5, 200719 yr 30 IP, 43 hits and 19 BB (that's brutal) And, I don't believe that you think that Olsen and Dontrelle are pitching worse than Anibal.
May 5, 200719 yr Can someone explain to me how Pinto is out of options? That doesnt make sense in any way, shape, or form. I mean, last year was the first year he was recalled, and he started this year with the big club. He should still have options.
May 5, 200719 yr 30 IP, 43 hits and 19 BB (that's brutal) And, I don't believe that you think that Olsen and Dontrelle are pitching worse than Anibal. Their ERA's are higher, and unlike hoste two, Sanchez has never allowed more than 4 earned runs in a start this year. None of them are pitching exceptionally well, but to pretend that two deserve to be here and one absolutely should be sent down is just dumb.
May 5, 200719 yr we don't know all the details. Not jumping down your throat, but the details are there. You don't demote a player because of an injury. That's a waste of an option year. Julio and Mitre were both on their way back. Mitre is out of options. Obermueller is out of options. Neither would likely clear waivers. The only pitchers on our roster that have options are Willis, Olsen, Owens, Tankersley, Lindstrom and Gardner...and I think Gregg, but I'm not positive. Pinto wouldn't clear and has value. Mitre wouldn't clear and I guess has value, and Beinfest needs the token Brian Moehler veteran in Obermueller and has a raging hard on for Julio. Thus, Sanchez is the easiest demotion because of his recent struggles. I'm not even going to go on a personal rant, but there's plenty on this that irks me. The details that you can see and read, with your limited knowledge of the situation and your personal bias. . . . Anibal has been brutal this season, that's a fact. I rather see him starting games on the minors, than demote him to the bullpen at this point. If Anibal's been brutal, what have Willis and Olsen been? I'm not as high on Sanchez as some but he deserves a roster spot as much as Willis and Olsen do, especially considering he's only 6 starts into the season. Beinfest is blinded by the fact that Obermueller has had two decent outings and by his lust for the Julio experiment. Ridiculous demotion.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist And for an opinion to be respected, it needs more validation than cryptic assumptions. So, FreshFish, I ask you what could possibly be withheld to justify this demotion?
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. He doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis. Willis is a 20 game winner, has the most wins in franchise history, etc. Olsen is a different matter, but he did pitch exceptionally well his last time out.
May 5, 200719 yr People have yet to answer my question, how exactly can Pinto be out of option? Cubs time, he was on their 40 for a while.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist And for an opinion to be respected, it needs more validation than cryptic assumptions. So, FreshFish, I ask you what could possibly be withheld to justify this demotion? I don't have to justify it, because I don't have all the details. We don't know if there are any attitude problems or if he is injured and is hidding it, or whatever. The fact is that he is struggling, and I rather see him working out his issues on the minors rather than blowing more games or in the bullpen. You can't keep running struggling pitchers like this, night in and out.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. He doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis. Willis is a 20 game winner, has the most wins in franchise history, etc. Olsen is a different matter, but he did pitch exceptionally well his last time out. Obviously past success has zero to do with this decision. :whistle (Sorry, I had to).
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. At least I don't speculate on what I don't know, and state it as fact
May 5, 200719 yr People have yet to answer my question, how exactly can Pinto be out of option? Cubs time, he was on their 40 for a while. I thought you only lost an option when you were recalled from the minors? I didnt think him being on the 40 had anything to do with it.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. At least I don't speculate on what I don't know, and state it as fact Saying that Sanchez doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen then not providing a reason is opinion and not fact because the fact is that he does and his stats prove it. It could also be constituted as speculating that Sanchez will have a worse year than Olsen and Willis, which you don't know. So already, that statement is hypocrisy. And when I do speculate, it is accurate and on point. NEXT!
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. He doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis. Willis is a 20 game winner, has the most wins in franchise history, etc. Olsen is a different matter, but he did pitch exceptionally well his last time out. Obviously past success has zero to do with this decision. :whistle (Sorry, I had to). No, I agree with you. I just wanted to point out that Willis is allowed to struggle a little more because of his history. But I do think Beinfest made a mistake, and it's some bulls***.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. He doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis. Willis is a 20 game winner, has the most wins in franchise history, etc. Olsen is a different matter, but he did pitch exceptionally well his last time out. Obviously past success has zero to do with this decision. :whistle (Sorry, I had to). No, I agree with you. I just wanted to point out that Willis is allowed to struggle a little more because of his history. But I do think Beinfest made a mistake, and it's some bulls***. Sanchez threw a no hitter and won 10 games last year, not to mention he's former top prospect. How is he not "allowed" to struggle as much as Willis?
May 5, 200719 yr wow I said "no chance" of this a couple of days ago. don't I feel stupid. Me no get it.
May 5, 200719 yr everyone is entitled to their opinions. . Even the conspiracy theorist Unless you can tell me how he doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis and Olsen, my opinion is that your opinion is bogus. He doesn't deserve a spot as much as Willis. Willis is a 20 game winner, has the most wins in franchise history, etc. Olsen is a different matter, but he did pitch exceptionally well his last time out. Obviously past success has zero to do with this decision. :whistle (Sorry, I had to). No, I agree with you. I just wanted to point out that Willis is allowed to struggle a little more because of his history. But I do think Beinfest made a mistake, and it's some bulls***. Sanchez threw a no hitter and won 10 games last year, not to mention he's former top prospect. How is he not "allowed" to struggle as much as Willis? I believe Willis has been a 20 game winner, has won 10+ games three times, and is the all time wins leader for the Marlins.
May 5, 200719 yr wow I said "no chance" of this a couple of days ago. don't I feel stupid. Me no get it. I was right there with ya.
May 5, 200719 yr Last year, Sanches throwed 200 inning among minor and major. it caused Sophomore jinx, I think. I hope it is NOT serious.
May 5, 200719 yr Guys, he will be back. Article from MLB.com MIAMI -- Right-handed pitcher Anibal Sanchez, who so far this season has been unable to live up to his rookie success of 2006, was sent to Triple-A Albuquerque by the Marlins on Friday. Manager Fredi Gonzalez said it is a short-term assignment, and he is confident Sanchez will work through his difficulties and rejoin the Marlins when he regains the dominating form he showed last season. "We need to straighten him out for his own good," Gonzalez said. "It's not the Anibal I saw from last year. Don't know if it will be two starts, three starts. ... Whenever our people say he's ready, he'll be back." Sanchez still will pitch Tuesday, but in a Minor League game instead of his scheduled start against the Dodgers. Right-hander Wes Obermueller will get the call against Los Angeles. Reliever Jorge Julio was activated off the disabled list on Friday and rejoined the team to fill Sanchez's roster spot. Julio will not return as closer, but said he is happy to help the Marlins in whatever relief role they have planned for him. In six starts this season, Sanchez is 2-1 with a 4.80 ERA. In 30 innings, he has allowed 43 hits, 16 earned runs, 19 walks and has struck out just 14. Opponents are hitting .341 against Sanchez. Gonzalez said Sanchez is not being aggressive enough, and pitching coach Rick Kranitz said the righty is allowing hitters to make him work too hard during each at-bat. "He's throwing way too many pitches," Kranitz said. "He's ahead, 0-2, and he allows the hitter to go back ahead. His tempo is not nearly as quick as it was last year." Sanchez finished 10-3 in 17 starts last season. His ERA was 2.85 and he totaled 72 strikeouts while walking 46 batters. He also gained notoriety for throwing a no-hitter on Sept. 6 against Arizona in his 13th start. It was the Majors' first no-hitter since Randy Johnson threw a perfect game against the Braves as a member of the Diamondbacks on May 18, 2004. "He's always had a little bit of flair for pitching on edge," Kranitz said. "He needs to get back to basics and get back to pounding the strike zone. "He needs to get to the point where he's getting guys out with his fastball. He's gotten away from that, and it's not as easy to get back to that as people think. He's going to be a great player in this league, and we've got to get him right." Gonzalez said Sanchez took the news hard, but added that a lot of top pitchers have gone back to the Minors to work on their mechanics. "There haven't been many guys who have come up and stuck," Gonzalez said. "It's tough to fix things at [the Major League] level. But I know for sure he will be back."
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