Fishfan79 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Dead Airman's Affidavit: Roswell Aliens Were Real Tuesday, July 03, 2007 * E-MAIL STORY * PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION AP Sixty years ago, a light aircraft was flying over the Cascade Mountains in Washington state, at a height of around 10,000 feet. Suddenly, a brilliant flash of light illuminated the aircraft. Visibility was good, and as pilot Kenneth Arnold scanned the sky to find the source of the light, he saw a group of nine shiny metallic objects flying information. ? Click here to visit FOXNews.com's Space Center. He estimated their speed as being around 1,600 mph ? nearly three times faster than the top speed of any jet aircraft at the time. Soon, similar reports began to come in from all over America. This wasn't just the world's first UFO sighting ? this was the birth of a phenomenon, one that still exercises an extraordinary fascination. Military authorities issued a press release, which began: "The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence officer of the 509th Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc." (Story continues below) The headlines screamed: "Flying Disc captured by Air Force". Yet, just 24 hours later, the military changed its story and claimed the object it had first thought was a "flying disc" was a weather balloon that had crashed on a nearby ranch. The key witness was U.S. Army Maj. Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer who had gone to the ranch to recover the wreckage. He described the metal as being wafer-thin but incredibly tough. It was as light as balsa wood, but couldn't be cut or burned. These and similar accounts of the incident have largely been dismissed by all except the most dedicated believers. Astonishing new twist But last week came an astonishing new twist to the Roswell mystery. Lt. Walter Haut was the public-relations officer at the base in 1947 and was the man who issued the original and subsequent press releases after the crash on the orders of the base commander, Col. William Blanchard. Haut died in December 2005, but left a sworn affidavit to be opened only after his death. Last week, the text was released. It asserts that the weather-balloon claim was a cover story and that the real object had been recovered by the military and stored in a hangar. He described seeing not just the craft, but alien bodies. He wasn't the first Roswell witness to talk about alien bodies. Local undertaker Glenn Dennis had long claimed that he was contacted by authorities at Roswell shortly after the crash and asked to provide a number of child-sized coffins. When he arrived at the base, he was apparently told by a nurse (who later disappeared) that a UFO had crashed and that small humanoid extraterrestrials had been recovered. But Haut is the only one of the original participants to claim to have seen alien bodies. UFO pieces handed around Haut's affidavit talks about a high-level meeting he attended with base commander Col. William Blanchard and the Commander of the Eighth Army Air Force, Gen. Roger Ramey. Haut states that at this meeting, pieces of wreckage were handed around for participants to touch, with nobody able to identify the material. He says the press release was issued because locals were already aware of the crash site, but in fact there had been a second crash site, where more debris from the craft had fallen. The plan was that an announcement acknowledging the first site, which had been discovered by a farmer, would divert attention from the second and more important location. The clean-up operation Haut also spoke about a clean-up operation, where for months afterward military personnel scoured both crash sites searching for all remaining pieces of debris, removing them and erasing all signs that anything unusual had occurred. This ties in with claims made by locals that debris collected as souvenirs was seized by the military. Haut then tells how Colonel Blanchard took him to "Building 84" ? one of the hangars at Roswell ? and showed him the craft itself. He describes a metallic egg-shaped object around 12-15 feet in length and around 6 feet wide. He said he saw no windows, wings, tail, landing gear or any other feature. Haut "saw the alien bodies" He saw two bodies on the floor, partially covered by a tarpaulin. They are described in his statement as about 4 feet tall, with disproportionately large heads. Towards the end of the affidavit, Haut concludes: "I am convinced that what I personally observed was some kind of craft and its crew from outer space." What's particularly interesting about Walter Haut is that in the many interviews he gave before his death, he played down his role and made no such claims. Had he been seeking publicity, he would surely have spoken about the craft and the bodies. Did he fear ridicule, or was the affidavit a sort of deathbed confession from someone who had been part of a cover-up, but who had stayed loyal to the end? The U.S. government came under huge pressure on Roswell in the '90s. In July 1994, in response to an inquiry from the General Accounting Office, the office of the secretary of the Air Force published a report, "The Roswell Report: Fact Versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert." Weather balloon "cover story" The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top-secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening for evidence of Soviet nuclear tests. The statements concerning a crashed weather balloon had been a cover story, they admitted, but not to hide the truth about extraterrestrials. A second U.S. Air Force report concluded that the claims bodies were recovered were generated by people who had seen crash-test dummies dropped from the balloons. Skeptics, of course, will dismiss the testimony left by Haut. After all, fascinating though it is, it's just a story. There's no proof. But if nothing else, this latest revelation shows that, 60 years on, this mystery endures. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287643,00.html last words of a military solider, pretty interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 We'll never know what really crashed at Roswell, but if you seriously believe it was a weather balloon, you either know nothing about Roswell, or you're a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 We'll never know what really crashed at Roswell, but if you seriously believe it was a weather balloon space aliens, you either know nothing about Roswell, or you're a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeefan21 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 How many stars can you see with the naked eye? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Each star represents a "sun" with the potential to have multiple planets orbiting them. Each planet represents an opportunity for life. Bottom line: simple probability dictates that there is life on a planet in the Universe other than Earth. Considering the age of our planet in relation to the rest of the universe and what we know about evolution [especially as it pertains to technology], the likelihood that there are older and more advanced civilizations has got to be reasonably high. I don?t know about Roswell, but I certainly think [and hope] we are not alone in this universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 There is no such thing as evolution. :| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlummoxedLummox Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I have very little doubt that there is life (even intelligent life) elsewhere in the universe, but to think that it would be humanoid is pretty far-fetched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Why would it be farfetched? The universe is so large that it is actually farfetched that there aren't any species more advanced than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankeefan21 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 I have very little doubt that there is life (even intelligent life) elsewhere in the universe, but to think that it would be humanoid is pretty far-fetched. Then again, if humanoids developed on this planet, why not elsewhere? There are certainly perks to being a biped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying_Mollusk Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The universe is immense, but isn't the probability of intelligent life forming in the first place extremely extremely low, such that it is next to impossible? Both things form an interesting conflict...the immense universe makes life more probable even though it is an extremely improbable event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 The universe is immense, but isn't the probability of intelligent life forming in the first place extremely extremely low, such that it is next to impossible? Both things form an interesting conflict...the immense universe makes life more probable even though it is an extremely improbable event. How do you figure? Is the probability you speak of, say, .000000000001 per galaxy (or per what)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Festa Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Hell, Earth may not be the only living sustaining enviroment in our Solar System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 How many stars can you see with the naked eye? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Each star represents a "sun" with the potential to have multiple planets orbiting them. Each planet represents an opportunity for life. Bottom line: simple probability dictates that there is life on a planet in the Universe other than Earth. Considering the age of our planet in relation to the rest of the universe and what we know about evolution [especially as it pertains to technology], the likelihood that there are older and more advanced civilizations has got to be reasonably high. I don?t know about Roswell, but I certainly think [and hope] we are not alone in this universe. I concur 100% but to think our government is that tight lipped and organized enough to hold a secret like Roswell or any other confirmed Alien visit a secret is preposterous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 We'll never know what really crashed at Roswell, but if you seriously believe it was a weather balloon space aliens, you either know nothing about Roswell, or you're a moron. So you're saying the government was truthful about Roswel and it was a weather balloon. I'm quite doubtful there was anything alien at Roswel, but saying it was a simple weather balloon is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Hell yes I believe in aliens, I find the documentaries and such fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinFan10 Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 How many stars can you see with the naked eye? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Each star represents a "sun" with the potential to have multiple planets orbiting them. Each planet represents an opportunity for life. Bottom line: simple probability dictates that there is life on a planet in the Universe other than Earth. Considering the age of our planet in relation to the rest of the universe and what we know about evolution [especially as it pertains to technology], the likelihood that there are older and more advanced civilizations has got to be reasonably high. I don?t know about Roswell, but I certainly think [and hope] we are not alone in this universe. I concur 100% but to think our government is that tight lipped and organized enough to hold a secret like Roswell or any other confirmed Alien visit a secret is preposterous. Well, for those that believe in the Roswel alien story, the government failed to hold the secret of Roswel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beinfest4Prez Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 How many stars can you see with the naked eye? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands? Each star represents a "sun" with the potential to have multiple planets orbiting them. Each planet represents an opportunity for life. Bottom line: simple probability dictates that there is life on a planet in the Universe other than Earth. Considering the age of our planet in relation to the rest of the universe and what we know about evolution [especially as it pertains to technology], the likelihood that there are older and more advanced civilizations has got to be reasonably high. I don't know about Roswell, but I certainly think [and hope] we are not alone in this universe. I concur 100% but to think our government is that tight lipped and organized enough to hold a secret like Roswell or any other confirmed Alien visit a secret is preposterous. Well, for those that believe in the Roswel alien story, the government failed to hold the secret of Roswel. How is it that preposterous? The government in the 1950s did biological weapons testing in the country on unsuspecting citizens. That is a fact. They would release small weapons of things like whooping cough that were not neccesarily deadly, but enough to knock out people. I have to find where I found that information, I read it years ago and it was from the Freedom of Information Act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabdul Doobakus Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 From the little amount I've followed this discussion over the years, it does seem there's been a large shift in scientific opinion. Whereas life was once thought to be a miracle that was unlikely to be duplicated anywhere else in the universe, recent findings--like solar systems that look like ours or other planets with water--have led many scientists to conclude that--considering the enormous scope of the universe--statistical probability makes it very, very likely that life exists elsewhere. Now, whether it's intelligent life is another question altogether. But it wouldn't surprise me. There's a good chance that humanoid creatures do exist, as evolution is not an accident. for the most part. It may be hard to see how we got from point A (probably a circle of lipids or something like that) to point ZZZZZZZ (humans). But if you go from point A to point B to point C, it's a lot more logical. And there are plenty of examples in evolution of similar strucutres evolving via completely separate evolutionary lineages. Which is to say, once again, these things happen for a reason and are not an accident. Given the enviornment of this planet, the evolution of an intelligent species, like humans, was probably inevitable. And you could probably say the same of any planet with an enviornment like ours, which, statistically speaking, is pretty likely to exist somewhere out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlummoxedLummox Posted July 6, 2007 Share Posted July 6, 2007 What happens if I believe in aliens, but want a taco? Can we work on that for the next poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yenta Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 Hell yes I believe in aliens, I find the documentaries and such fascinating. Look no further than these here boards, Young Jedi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbob1313 Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 There are other humanoids on our own planet. Why not somewhere in the infinite spans of the universe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 One of the best movie sequels ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabdul Doobakus Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 One of the best movie sequels ever. True dat, but the first one's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 One of the best movie sequels ever. True dat, but the first one's better. :nono Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passion Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 I agree, first one is definitely the better film. Probably one of the most atmospheric and well paced films I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 One is a great film, but Aliens is IMO the greatest action movie ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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